i think i'll be breaking out the sanding block.

Wow is that a serrated blade, err I mean trailing edge?

I'm thinking about sanding my W1000 too. What about the wing tips? You gonna round'em off or will that significantly impact performance?Must be a reason/purpose for all of the dangerous sharpness and points, but if the performance reduction is minor, I'll gladly accept that trade off.

It's a bloody knife. Not kidding here.

After getting pummeled on my 6.4 m wing, I needed a rest as it was blowing 20-30 mph yesterday. Fastened the wingding to my board and everything was fine in the sand. But then my buddy decides he needs a rest, set his board right in front of the ding! Before I can get to it, a gust flips it upside down and throws it into his stabilizer. It sliced about 15 cm into the sail. Was pissed !

The Moses masts are scary sharp too... It's putting me off getting one too otherwise I'll have to wear full wetsuits all summer.

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I'm thinking about sanding my W1000 too. What about the wing tips? You gonna round'em off or will that significantly impact performance?Must be a reason/purpose for all of the dangerous sharpness and points, but if the performance reduction is minor, I'll gladly accept that trade off.

Gunnar said in his youtube review that unless you are racing, you should definitely sand down the trailing edges.

That's nuts, even if you are racing a sharp trailing edge gives no benefit..

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I'm thinking about sanding my W1000 too. What about the wing tips? You gonna round'em off or will that significantly impact performance?Must be a reason/purpose for all of the dangerous sharpness and points, but if the performance reduction is minor, I'll gladly accept that trade off.

I will do both. If it doesn't work well without being deadly, I will move on to something else

where do you wing in SF Bay? Have we met?

I mostly go to Treasure Island, Crissy/ GG, and Sherman (in that order) but venture to Half Moon Bay and Linda Mar under the right conditions.... mostly when I want to risk destroying my wing gear in shore break.

Just started winging and prone surf foiling a couple of months ago. Changing things up after mostly surfing. Used to windsurf a few years back and dabbled in kiting while living in Seattle and going to Hood River. Don't know many folks in the SF Bay area wind community so look forward to connecting with some folks as the wind season starts up.

Great to hear of adventurous people in our sport.
I've logged over 10 days in S wind Linda Mar, one N wind day, and a few onshore NW days windsurfing there. And hundreds surfing.
Too bad I got old, those exploration days well behind me.
Just a Berkeley sailor now.

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I mostly go to Treasure Island, Crissy/ GG, and Sherman (in that order) but venture to Half Moon Bay and Linda Mar under the right conditions.... mostly when I want to risk destroying my wing gear in shore break.

Just started winging and prone surf foiling a couple of months ago. Changing things up after mostly surfing. Used to windsurf a few years back and dabbled in kiting while living in Seattle and going to Hood River. Don't know many folks in the SF Bay area wind community so look forward to connecting with some folks as the wind season starts up.

nice, tomorrow morning might be a potential OB day for winging or windsurfing. swell is tiny right now.

Update from sunsetsailboards posted over on the wind foiling section:

"I have 3 days on the W1000 now. I have it paired w/ the S400, 647mm kite fuselage, and 90cm Project Cedrus mast on the Fanatic Sky Wing 5'0" 75l or 5'4" 95l. I weigh about 80kg

Session 1: decent wind on the Echo 4m & 95l board. first impression it was not that hard to get going. maybe need to go a little more off the wind. I had to mount the foil all the way forward in the track. more pitchy fore and aft either due to the shorter fulelage or smaller stab. was a little weird at first. I could ride the foil as normal but was not feeling that comfortable. Glide and speed are really nice, but have to be more careful in the turns. my first tack I couldn't believe how much speed I came out with or how tight the arc was. I also came out very high on the mast. Definitely some good things going on with this foil, but I wouldn't say I was in love with it. Things i do like are the glide and easy/efficient pump. Feels like I don't have to work to pump. Can do a variety of cadence on the pump and it feels good.

Session 2: More wind, Echo 4m. smaller board. much of the newness of the foil is gone, and I'm more comfortable and having more fun on it. got a long ferry wake ride (maybe 1km) and it felt nice and lean. easy to pump to get into different sections or to stay in the pocket. Transitions are feeling good and I'm able to push the foil in the turns a little more.

next session was on the W950. then...

Session 3: even more wind 25kt+. Unit 4m and 75l Sky Wing. Now having a session on the W950 in between w/ the S483 and 710mm fuselage, I appreciate the nimbleness of the twitchier setup. The W950 is very nice too, but I think I might like the W1000 more for the glide and ease of pump. Was surfing windswells and it was very nice to have a loose feel and fun to zigzag b/w heel side and toe side riding. felt pretty natural.

If I had footstraps on my board, I can see how this thing would be good for jumping.

Do I like it? Yes."

HI Guys,

Really don't know what all the fuss is about with the sharpness of the TE's. If you aren't happy about the trailing edges, simply get some 600 grit wet n dry and dull it a little. You don't have to take much off, just take the edge off is all. Simples, it takes about 5 minutes to do all wings and mast TE's.

I have been riding the W1000 for a few months now, in waves, down wind, flat water and for speed.

My Setup.

Me: 93kg bare ass nekid
W1000 front wing
647 Kite fuse
82cm SABFoil mast
S420 stabilizer
Straplaess SABfoil T98 board or Fanatic 5'4" Sky Wing
Variety of wings from 5m SIC Raptor, Slingwing V2 4.0, to Duotone Unit 4.0m

My background is Formula Foil kite where I ride Levitaz R5 or Duotone Dos. This is important because the W1000 is basically a racing wing and feels familiar to me. The S420 stab also feels familiar and allows the full range of pitch to be taken advantage of. In other words, I don't find it too pitchy, but I can understand if you have been using Surf setups how there may be some challenge getting used to a high aspect short fuse setup..

Flat water: The wing is easy to start, even more so than other surf wings like the W790/S450 setup. There is little drag with the W1000, so it is fast and has awesome glide. Turning is smooth and easy. My best speed is 23 knots without trying too hard and the barrier to more speed wasn't the W1000, it was the wind and wing.

Wave riding: The W1000 isn't ideal for wave riding in the sense that you want to carve up and down along the wave. It has too little drag and too much speed unless you are simply running along on the face of the wave. It is fun on bigger waves as it has the speed to handle the drop down a big steep face. You will of course outrun the wave by a good margin, but you can easily bring the foil up into the wind and ride along the face. Like I said, not a good wave riding wing setup, but fun for control in fast riding scenarios.

Downwinding: This is what I bought the W1000 for. It is insane! So fast and stable with glide on tap. It easily has the speed and glide to almost crest the wave in front purely from the drop down the wave. With just a couple of quick effortless pumps, you crest the next wave and re-accelerate ad infinitum. The only real bummer with the W1000 downwinding is you can travel so quickly, you need to do much longer runs or be faced with doing two of the same run. I did the City Beach to Sorrento run in almost as little time as it took my wife to get to Sorrento in the car after dropping me off. The ease of pump, speed and glide make this the best wing I've ever used for downwinding.

Everything else just feels like it has limitations

DM

Yes I can relate in many ways to all of the above and fully understand each person's preferences.
But as just an everyday foiler when the 950 joined my quiver the W1000 got sold.

Stabilisers do over lap interestingly my favourites are, 400, 420 and way behind 483.

Looking at Mikes lab foils, ive noticed they run a longer fuse. Has anybody tried winging with the W1000 on a windsurf fuse (FW1150) for a slower pitch?Would move the COE forward so would need the bring the mast back in the tracks I imagine

i believe Stringy makes a Moses Surf to Kite adapter so you can put the W1000 on a Surf or Windsurf (not race) fuse. That might be better than going from 647mm to 1150mm.

Do you know if this is available in Aus? If you could please share the link

Very interested in that as well.

you can probably order them directly from MacKite

www.mackiteboarding.com/moses-fuselage-to-wing-adapter-plate/

I've never seen one of these... just know they exist. I don't vouch for them either way.

I know some people have broken the Slingshot mast to Moses fuselage adapters he makes. I have also seen some of the "Super Fuses" and they do not fit the Moses/SABFoils masts well (at least the couple that I've seen).

YMMV

That said, I love the W1000 on the 647 fuselage. It takes a little bit of getting used to if you're coming from a longer fuselage, but I don't think it's much harder to ride, it's just different. When I switch to a longer 700 SAB fuselage of even longer 800 Fanatic fuselage, I find the ride different but not necessarily easier w/ regard to pitch... just the cadence is different for switching feet, pumping, etc...

647 fuselage is also very light.

Its the changing feet that gets me. Riding it is fine, but limits me to toe side, as I only land 50% of feet switches. Other wings with more stability I can change feet fine

Thanx!I,m serious considering a W1000 but the extra fuse to buy holds me back a bit (and I have a 940 as well).I sleep a night over it :)

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Thanx!I,m serious considering a W1000 but the extra fuse to buy holds me back a bit (and I have a 940 as well).I sleep a night over it :)

I have the 940 which is great . . . and just ordered the w1000 :)

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Thanx!I,m serious considering a W1000 but the extra fuse to buy holds me back a bit (and I have a 940 as well).I sleep a night over it :)

the nice thing about the Moses/SABFoil system is that you can have complete gliders that just bolt onto the mast. I have complete 940 and 1000 gliders in the van, and I choose one each day (usually the 1000).

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Jeroensurf said..
Thanx!I,m serious considering a W1000 but the extra fuse to buy holds me back a bit (and I have a 940 as well).I sleep a night over it :)

the nice thing about the Moses/SABFoil system is that you can have complete gliders that just bolt onto the mast. I have complete 940 and 1000 gliders in the van, and I choose one each day (usually the 1000).

That's true, it's very nice feature. And thanks for the feedback.

I am currently riding the w1100 +483 for winging, and it's surprisingly agile and tolerance even for the heavier winds (3sqm). However, I am now contemplating between 945 and 1000. We only have wind swell, and usually no nice waves at all. I currently have 950, but was negatively surprised by the lack of speed compared to the 1100, but I'm not sure if it's due to 483 stab or the 82cm mast which is quite thick.
Any feedback on the the 940 (or preferably 945) and 1000, do they overlap much, and in which conditions do you use them, please? That would be super helpful!
Thanks!

Hi guys , first post for me on this Forum.

long time Kite Foiler and now converted Wing Foiler .

OMG , I had the same initial thoughts with the W950 but I've been using it the the S370 stabiliser ( I shimm it 0.5 to give more lift ) which transforms the ride making it a lot faster and looser .
i had it out in some head high waves today ( gentle not steep ) and it performed really well.

@OMGI,m far from experienced, 96kg riding an AK5.8x90l but tried a several foils. I can ride waves and fly through my jibes like 90% but still can,t tack and riding strapless means no jumping. Wings: 6m Slick, 5+4m Smik, 4+3m Airrush V1 (yes i have 2 4m)
No kite background but did some windsurf foil fooling around and pretty decent wavesailing and SUP level.

1100+483: fully agree with you and in lightwind its still heaps of fun, but put a smaller stab on it like the 425 or the 399 and its faster.
The 950+483/399: Owned that one, it is faster as the 1100 but doesnt really feels like that in calm water. In slow waves it has good glide and I agree with Britfoil that with an smaller stab it will be faster but also less grip/even more easy to spin out. The spinouts: it can be my lack of skills but I found the 950 a bit unpredictable and easy to spin out without a warning. This can be my lack of skills but I didnt like that and sold it after I tried the Balz799...

Balz799+483/425/399,I think the Balz is my favourite foil: gets going as quickly as the 950 in the same windspeed but: more positive frontfoot pressure (what I like), faster, heaps of grip and turns 2-3times tighter. good with the 483 but awesome with the 425. Tried it with the 399 and that made it for my level too loose. Thats is probably a lack of skills. Compared to the 950 it is better in pretty much everything but the 950 has on slow swell more glide in a straight (dowenwind)line.
Where the 950 feels harder to control with 4m maxxed out the Balz799 gives me full control with an 3m maxxed out. From that I switched to wavesailing a 3.7.

940+483/425/399I tried the 940 only 5 times. it need for my weight a 5m and a bit more board speed (so a tad more wind) as the Balz. not a huge difference, but rigging and I think my wing might be on the small side the Balz probably gets going with a few pumps where 940 needs an awful lot of working to get going. Once well powered up it is really no problem. but it has a higher stall speed. The 1100 can almost stand still and fly through, the Balz can go pretty slow as well but the 940 simply needs a bit more speed otherwise it drops down. Speed: faster as the Balz by a big margin and works great with the 399 that I found too loose for my level with the Balz. It still fine with the 425 but the 483 is like an anchor for it. It works, but the 425 and 399 make an huge difference on it. Grip in turns: almost as good as the Balz but different, slightly wider and faster arcs and it has more glide. Most wind I tried it ion was 4m well powered in very confused Northsea conditions and that was pretty awesome. Feels like you have no drag compared to the 1100.

Overlap:
IMO the 1100 stands alone in lightwind. I love it with 6m in less then 10knots and it is still fun with 5m and lightwind. Once the foil become a bit handfull I switch to the Balz, when the 5m wing is powered up I can go the 940 as well. Sure you can hold the 1100 down in more wind but that is hard work while at such conditions the Balz and 940 shine.The Balz and 940 have imo the same highwind control but the Balz slightly better low/midwind range.
The balz turns tighter with more grip, the 940 has more speed and glide. I pick them depending on the conditions. Dead onshore or lake I grab the Balz, waves sideshore riding the swell from the back or speeding between the windsurfers the 940 is awesome but the overlap between the 2 is huge.

Because everybody says the 1000 is even faster and has more glide as the 940 i,m seriously considering buying that one too as well.
Reason not to do is that its more nervous/looser where i like more grip. where I live the water and 5sec period (wind)waves are often pretty confused making it exciting enough, so I can see if I can demo one first as it isnt very big for my size either and i, not sure if i have the technique yet to benefit from it.

I guess that people with better skills might think different but i,m not yet there. Lots to learn :)

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@OMGI,m far from experienced, 96kg riding an AK5.8x90l but tried a several foils. I can ride waves and fly through my jibes like 90% but still can,t tack and riding strapless means no jumping. Wings: 6m Slick, 5+4m Smik, 4+3m Airrush V1 (yes i have 2 4m)
No kite background but did some windsurf foil fooling around and pretty decent wavesailing and SUP level.

1100+483: fully agree with you and in lightwind its still heaps of fun, but put a smaller stab on it like the 425 or the 399 and its faster.
The 950+483/399: Owned that one, it is faster as the 1100 but doesnt really feels like that in calm water. In slow waves it has good glide and I agree with Britfoil that with an smaller stab it will be faster but also less grip/even more easy to spin out. The spinouts: it can be my lack of skills but I found the 950 a bit unpredictable and easy to spin out without a warning. This can be my lack of skills but I didnt like that and sold it after I tried the Balz799...

Balz799+483/425/399,I think the Balz is my favourite foil: gets going as quickly as the 950 in the same windspeed but: more positive frontfoot pressure (what I like), faster, heaps of grip and turns 2-3times tighter. good with the 483 but awesome with the 425. Tried it with the 399 and that made it for my level too loose. Thats is probably a lack of skills. Compared to the 950 it is better in pretty much everything but the 950 has on slow swell more glide in a straight (dowenwind)line.
Where the 950 feels harder to control with 4m maxxed out the Balz799 gives me full control with an 3m maxxed out. From that I switched to wavesailing a 3.7.

940+483/425/399I tried the 940 only 5 times. it need for my weight a 5m and a bit more board speed (so a tad more wind) as the Balz. not a huge difference, but rigging and I think my wing might be on the small side the Balz probably gets going with a few pumps where 940 needs an awful lot of working to get going. Once well powered up it is really no problem. but it has a higher stall speed. The 1100 can almost stand still and fly through, the Balz can go pretty slow as well but the 940 simply needs a bit more speed otherwise it drops down. Speed: faster as the Balz by a big margin and works great with the 399 that I found too loose for my level with the Balz. It still fine with the 425 but the 483 is like an anchor for it. It works, but the 425 and 399 make an huge difference on it. Grip in turns: almost as good as the Balz but different, slightly wider and faster arcs and it has more glide. Most wind I tried it ion was 4m well powered in very confused Northsea conditions and that was pretty awesome. Feels like you have no drag compared to the 1100.

Overlap:
IMO the 1100 stands alone in lightwind. I love it with 6m in less then 10knots and it is still fun with 5m and lightwind. Once the foil become a bit handfull I switch to the Balz, when the 5m wing is powered up I can go the 940 as well. Sure you can hold the 1100 down in more wind but that is hard work while at such conditions the Balz and 940 shine.The Balz and 940 have imo the same highwind control but the Balz slightly better low/midwind range.
The balz turns tighter with more grip, the 940 has more speed and glide. I pick them depending on the conditions. Dead onshore or lake I grab the Balz, waves sideshore riding the swell from the back or speeding between the windsurfers the 940 is awesome but the overlap between the 2 is huge.

Because everybody says the 1000 is even faster and has more glide as the 940 i,m seriously considering buying that one too as well.
Reason not to do is that its more nervous/looser where i like more grip. where I live the water and 5sec period (wind)waves are often pretty confused making it exciting enough, so I can see if I can demo one first as it isnt very big for my size either and i, not sure if i have the technique yet to benefit from it.

I guess that people with better skills might think different but i,m not yet there. Lots to learn :)

Good info. I love the balz799 for windfoiling so much, most excellent range. We are getting to our light wind season and am wondering if I would need a light air wing, but not sure I want to go as big as the 1100

The 945 wing looks similar to the 799 and wondered if it would be a lighter wind version of the 799. Anyone compared the 945 to the 799?

anybody try the 940 for windsurf foiling? I find the speed of the 940 quite favorable to the 799. haven't tried the 945 yet, but i have one in the box that might have to get unboxed if the wind here starts lightening up.... jimmy was saying people were hitting ~23kt on the 945 which is not too shabby.

@joroen nice detailed write up. are you using the 710 or 700HS fuselage? I found the 799 a bit front footed for my taste but was definitely much better on the 700HS/370 and not very nice on the 710/483 combo.

I actually think i get foiling earlier on the 1000 than the 940... seems like less drag to get moving forward or maybe i'm just imagining stuff in different conditions.

When you showed me the 1000 to 940 comparison, laid atop each other, wingspan alone should give earlier foiling.
As you know, Dom uses the 940 full time for wing.
Larkspur windfoiler SteveR uses 940 for lighter wind conditions, has Sab's ranging from 2000 down to custom 440 sq cm. Typical 10-16 Larkspur is 4.5 sail, 940 foil conditions for him at 160 lbs.

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anybody try the 940 for windsurf foiling? I find the speed of the 940 quite favorable to the 799. haven't tried the 945 yet, but i have one in the box that might have to get unboxed if the wind here starts lightening up.... jimmy was saying people were hitting ~23kt on the 945 which is not too shabby.

@joroen nice detailed write up. are you using the 710 or 700HS fuselage? I found the 799 a bit front footed for my taste but was definitely much better on the 700HS/370 and not very nice on the 710/483 combo.

I actually think i get foiling earlier on the 1000 than the 940... seems like less drag to get moving forward or maybe i'm just imagining stuff in different conditions.

The 700HS.Front Footed: I agree on that but compared to my buddies I seem to favor a bit more frontfoot pressure as some others, so I actually like that.
Next week I have a 2 week holiday to French Brittany where when there is wind you have excellent wing conditions. When i,m back without destroying half my quiver in the waves I probably order the 1000 and Kite Fuse :)

@Sunset sailboards, When/what conditions do pick the 940 and when the 1000?
About the 1100, yes is is big, but at the same time the size doesn't really bothers me in light wind.Today there was 8 knots with gusts of 14knots on the lake and with the 1100 and 425stab +2degree shim on my AK5.8x90l I needed to wait for a gust, pump a bit with my 6m (Duotone Slick) and could fly for 45 minutes straight till I f#cked up a jibe. I wasn't speeding, going around the 17knots, but given the light wind, sunny weather, navigating through the sailboats and all the windsurfers slogging instead of planning I won't complain :)