I ride Armstrong foils for winging and my largest foil is the HS1550v2. On windless warm days I am interested in tackling to dockstart and wondered if anyone also riding Armstrong foils would recommend a CF2400 or the HS1850 or either the HA1325 or HA1525 ? I weight 65 kgs and have the 85cm mast and 60 and 70 cm fuselages. Thank you in advance for any recommendations and advice.

Would wait a few weeks. New foils are about to be announced that may be better then current line up for dock starts.

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CFLKiter said..
Would wait a few weeks. New foils are about to be announced that may be better then current line up for dock starts.

I had no idea. Thank you very much for the heads up.

Not sure if it helps at all, but I can dock start the lift ha200 which is 1290 cm2. I weight 82kg, and don't think I'd need a larger foil. www.instagram.com/reel/CTJe7kJgYbw/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Makes me think the 1325 would work well.

At your weight you should be able to get the 1550 going.

I tried dock starting the 1850 the other day. I gave it about 20 attempts and by the end was getting closer. I think it will work. I'm about the same weight as you.

I bought a HA1525 thinking it would be a magic dock starting foil and good for light wind winging. I took it on one session behind my boat and it felt like I was riding a sheet of plywood. Very awkward and hard to turn, not as easy to pump as I expected. I returned it as it was just not what I was looking for.

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dapara2004 said..
I ride Armstrong foils for winging and my largest foil is the HS1550v2. On windless warm days I am interested in tackling to dockstart and wondered if anyone also riding Armstrong foils would recommend a CF2400 or the HS1850 or either the HA1325 or HA1525 ? I weight 65 kgs and have the 85cm mast and 60 and 70 cm fuselages. Thank you in advance for any recommendations and advice.

You should be fine to learn with the 1550v2 setup. I'd prefer a shorter mast. The main thing is actually having a good dock to practice on. Good luck!

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radair said..
I tried dock starting the 1850 the other day. I gave it about 20 attempts and by the end was getting closer. I think it will work. I'm about the same weight as you.

I bought a HA1525 thinking it would be a magic dock starting foil and good for light wind winging. I took it on one session behind my boat and it felt like I was riding a sheet of plywood. Very awkward and hard to turn, not as easy to pump as I expected. I returned it as it was just not what I was looking for.

Sounds like the HS1850 will be a lot easier and give me a chance (assuming I can find high enough of a dock with a clear undercarriage to get in a few steps). Did you ever consider the CF2400 ? Maybe it's just to draggy after you get going?

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radair said..
I tried dock starting the 1850 the other day. I gave it about 20 attempts and by the end was getting closer. I think it will work. I'm about the same weight as you.

I bought a HA1525 thinking it would be a magic dock starting foil and good for light wind winging. I took it on one session behind my boat and it felt like I was riding a sheet of plywood. Very awkward and hard to turn, not as easy to pump as I expected. I returned it as it was just not what I was looking for.

Sounds like the HS1850 will be a lot easier and give me a chance (assuming I can find high enough of a dock with a clear undercarriage to get in a few steps). Did you ever consider the CF2400 ? Maybe it's just to draggy after you get going?

I think a smaller medium to high aspect foil with a thinner profile would be better than the 2400. The fact that Brendon can DS a Lift HA200 (above) points to that as well. A little mind blowing TBH. I'm hoping the rumored new Armstrong releases will be the holy grail.

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radair said..

dapara2004 said..

radair said..
I tried dock starting the 1850 the other day. I gave it about 20 attempts and by the end was getting closer. I think it will work. I'm about the same weight as you.

I bought a HA1525 thinking it would be a magic dock starting foil and good for light wind winging. I took it on one session behind my boat and it felt like I was riding a sheet of plywood. Very awkward and hard to turn, not as easy to pump as I expected. I returned it as it was just not what I was looking for.

Sounds like the HS1850 will be a lot easier and give me a chance (assuming I can find high enough of a dock with a clear undercarriage to get in a few steps). Did you ever consider the CF2400 ? Maybe it's just to draggy after you get going?

I think a smaller medium to high aspect foil with a thinner profile would be better than the 2400. The fact that Brendon can DS a Lift HA200 (above) points to that as well. A little mind blowing TBH. I'm hoping the rumored new Armstrong releases will be the holy grail.

Thank you very much for the thoughts on shape. I am looking forward to the release of the new foils soon.

Many floating docks put a 75cm mast a bit above ankle height for the runup.

This is extremely uncomfortable and makes it really hard to get any speed or balance before jumping on.

If you can find a lower dock that puts the board between knees and waist i think you will find the beginnings a lot easier.

The web makes it look dead easy and some foilers just "get it" right away but quite a few people find dockstarting exhausting ,humbling and very hard to get consistent at, i am certainly having to pay my dues :(

Very late reply to this one sorry, but I use the 1850 for dockstarting and wake thieving, and for me at 68kg, is been the easiest foil I've used. I can get the 1125 and 1250 going too, but you really need a bit of a run up for those, whereas you can get the 1850 going in a couple of steps.
It's a pretty slow foil, so if you're going for long distance flatwater pumping, it's not the best, but for pinching boat wakes, the slower speed means it doesn't outrun the wake and its pretty friendly to learn on (as I'm doing).
I run the 232 with +1 tail, which gives a bit more speed and the 1850 is so lifty, it's fine. Weirdly, for the 1125 and 1250 (and probably the 1550v2) work much better with this shim, as the liftier 0 shim seems to lift the nose and stall the board as you jump on it, if that makes sense.
As I said, late reply, but did you get one in the end? How's it going?

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eddshep said..
Very late reply to this one sorry, but I use the 1850 for dockstarting and wake thieving, and for me at 68kg, is been the easiest foil I've used. I can get the 1125 and 1250 going too, but you really need a bit of a run up for those, whereas you can get the 1850 going in a couple of steps.
It's a pretty slow foil, so if you're going for long distance flatwater pumping, it's not the best, but for pinching boat wakes, the slower speed means it doesn't outrun the wake and its pretty friendly to learn on (as I'm doing).
I run the 232 with +1 tail, which gives a bit more speed and the 1850 is so lifty, it's fine. Weirdly, for the 1125 and 1250 (and probably the 1550v2) work much better with this shim, as the liftier 0 shim seems to lift the nose and stall the board as you jump on it, if that makes sense.
As I said, late reply, but did you get one in the end? How's it going?

This is interesting. I wasn't expecting such a big HS would be good for dockstarting. That said, I remember Matt from Real saying that he learned to pump on the HS2400, so I guess they can pump just fine.

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eddshep said..
Very late reply to this one sorry, but I use the 1850 for dockstarting and wake thieving, and for me at 68kg, is been the easiest foil I've used. I can get the 1125 and 1250 going too, but you really need a bit of a run up for those, whereas you can get the 1850 going in a couple of steps.
It's a pretty slow foil, so if you're going for long distance flatwater pumping, it's not the best, but for pinching boat wakes, the slower speed means it doesn't outrun the wake and its pretty friendly to learn on (as I'm doing).
I run the 232 with +1 tail, which gives a bit more speed and the 1850 is so lifty, it's fine. Weirdly, for the 1125 and 1250 (and probably the 1550v2) work much better with this shim, as the liftier 0 shim seems to lift the nose and stall the board as you jump on it, if that makes sense.
As I said, late reply, but did you get one in the end? How's it going?

This is interesting. I wasn't expecting such a big HS would be good for dockstarting. That said, I remember Matt from Real saying that he learned to pump on the HS2400, so I guess they can pump just fine.

For sure. Compared to the newer HS foils, like the 1250 or 1550v2, the 1850 is pretty darn thick, so good for that initial lift. Maybe some of the big boys might struggle, but I found it much much easier than some of the higher aspect Axis and GoFoil wings, although it'll be slower and harder once you're going.