I'm looking to upgrade my first foil (slingshot quantum 100 for reference) Where I live there are no true surf waves to talk about. At most we get some wind swells/bumps and conditions can be quite choppy, or it's all flat on an offshore wind. Yet I'm intrigued by the marketing "promise" of some surf specific foils on how well they carve as carving around is one of the things I enjoy doing the most. Am I completely off eying foils such as f-one's sk8, north sonar sf, gong ypra s/curve h and similar? Or would you recommend I look at other categories of foils? Appreciate any advice I can get here!

Yes, surf foils are better. As a winger I've found them to be my #1 choice. Not all surf foils are the same tho.
AFS Silk. My favorite. It's like my thoughts are transformed into turns.
Cloud IX. Second choice. I just wish they were faster.
F-One Sk8. Liked by many. Too "tracky" for my liking.
Code S. Not as good at turning as the above foils.

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BWalnut said..
Yes, surf foils are better. As a winger I've found them to be my #1 choice. Not all surf foils are the same tho.
AFS Silk. My favorite. It's like my thoughts are transformed into turns.
Cloud IX. Second choice. I just wish they were faster.
F-One Sk8. Liked by many. Too "tracky" for my liking.
Code S. Not as good at turning as the above foils.

What size Code have you used? They turn really well. The 720 is the best for winging great combo of speed and turning.

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hilly said..

BWalnut said..
Yes, surf foils are better. As a winger I've found them to be my #1 choice. Not all surf foils are the same tho.
AFS Silk. My favorite. It's like my thoughts are transformed into turns.
Cloud IX. Second choice. I just wish they were faster.
F-One Sk8. Liked by many. Too "tracky" for my liking.
Code S. Not as good at turning as the above foils.

What size Code have you used? They turn really well. The 720 is the best for winging great combo of speed and turning.

I tried 850 and 980 with short and medium fuses and the 142 and 150 tails. 720 would not be a daily driver for me on a 3m wing.
Codes are decent for turning in general, but they pale in comparison to dedicated surf foils. The turns stiffen at speed and when driving hard upwind they can be pitch sensitive. I think they are excellent for what they were designed for, downwind swell surfing.

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BWalnut said..

hilly said..

BWalnut said..
Yes, surf foils are better. As a winger I've found them to be my #1 choice. Not all surf foils are the same tho.
AFS Silk. My favorite. It's like my thoughts are transformed into turns.
Cloud IX. Second choice. I just wish they were faster.
F-One Sk8. Liked by many. Too "tracky" for my liking.
Code S. Not as good at turning as the above foils.

What size Code have you used? They turn really well. The 720 is the best for winging great combo of speed and turning.

I tried 850 and 980 with short and medium fuses and the 142 and 150 tails. 720 would not be a daily driver for me on a 3m wing.
Codes are decent for turning in general, but they pale in comparison to dedicated surf foils. The turns stiffen at speed and when driving hard upwind they can be pitch sensitive. I think they are excellent for what they were designed for, downwind swell surfing.

Ok have to agree to disagree ridden the fone sk8 and cloud9 and did not find them that impressive. Strokes for folks.
oh and he doesn't ride waves.

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hilly said..

BWalnut said..

hilly said..

BWalnut said..
Yes, surf foils are better. As a winger I've found them to be my #1 choice. Not all surf foils are the same tho.
AFS Silk. My favorite. It's like my thoughts are transformed into turns.
Cloud IX. Second choice. I just wish they were faster.
F-One Sk8. Liked by many. Too "tracky" for my liking.
Code S. Not as good at turning as the above foils.

What size Code have you used? They turn really well. The 720 is the best for winging great combo of speed and turning.

I tried 850 and 980 with short and medium fuses and the 142 and 150 tails. 720 would not be a daily driver for me on a 3m wing.
Codes are decent for turning in general, but they pale in comparison to dedicated surf foils. The turns stiffen at speed and when driving hard upwind they can be pitch sensitive. I think they are excellent for what they were designed for, downwind swell surfing.

Ok have to agree to disagree ridden the fone sk8 and cloud9 and did not find them that impressive. Strokes for folks.
oh and he doesn't ride waves.

Yep, everyone has an opinion and that's legit. We all ride differently so my turning needs vs yours vs his are all different. Good to harvest reviews and opinions for sure. Check out the silk sometime. I agree with you about the sk8 and c9, they are good foils but they aren't legends. The silk is a rare standout for me. So much better than the others in its class (8-8.5ar surf foils) that it's not even worth considering the others IMO and these foils find their strength in the roll axis of their turns.

The code falls into a higher aspect ratio category which is why I think it turns well for what it is, but I don't think it can compare to the silk. The 9.5ar foils are best compared against each other as the turning style is slightly different. They rely on their pitch to overcome their roll limitations. This isn't a bad turn, and perhaps turning is the wrong word to say. The original post said carving and the carve of the silk is a very different thing than the turn of the code.

I had fun on the codes, but the silks encouraged me to be great.

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BWalnut said..

hilly said..

BWalnut said..

hilly said..

BWalnut said..
Yes, surf foils are better. As a winger I've found them to be my #1 choice. Not all surf foils are the same tho.
AFS Silk. My favorite. It's like my thoughts are transformed into turns.
Cloud IX. Second choice. I just wish they were faster.
F-One Sk8. Liked by many. Too "tracky" for my liking.
Code S. Not as good at turning as the above foils.

What size Code have you used? They turn really well. The 720 is the best for winging great combo of speed and turning.

I tried 850 and 980 with short and medium fuses and the 142 and 150 tails. 720 would not be a daily driver for me on a 3m wing.
Codes are decent for turning in general, but they pale in comparison to dedicated surf foils. The turns stiffen at speed and when driving hard upwind they can be pitch sensitive. I think they are excellent for what they were designed for, downwind swell surfing.

Ok have to agree to disagree ridden the fone sk8 and cloud9 and did not find them that impressive. Strokes for folks.
oh and he doesn't ride waves.

Yep, everyone has an opinion and that's legit. We all ride differently so my turning needs vs yours vs his are all different. Good to harvest reviews and opinions for sure. Check out the silk sometime. I agree with you about the sk8 and c9, they are good foils but they aren't legends. The silk is a rare standout for me. So much better than the others in its class (8-8.5ar surf foils) that it's not even worth considering the others IMO and these foils find their strength in the roll axis of their turns.

The code falls into a higher aspect ratio category which is why I think it turns well for what it is, but I don't think it can compare to the silk. The 9.5ar foils are best compared against each other as the turning style is slightly different. They rely on their pitch to overcome their roll limitations. This isn't a bad turn, and perhaps turning is the wrong word to say. The original post said carving and the carve of the silk is a very different thing than the turn of the code.

I had fun on the codes, but the silks encouraged me to be great.

AFS are ridiculously expensive to get hold of here so unlikely I can try one.

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mfoiler said..
I'm looking to upgrade my first foil (slingshot quantum 100 for reference) Where I live there are no true surf waves to talk about. At most we get some wind swells/bumps and conditions can be quite choppy, or it's all flat on an offshore wind. Yet I'm intrigued by the marketing "promise" of some surf specific foils on how well they carve as carving around is one of the things I enjoy doing the most. Am I completely off eying foils such as f-one's sk8, north sonar sf, gong ypra s/curve h and similar? Or would you recommend I look at other categories of foils? Appreciate any advice I can get here!

If there are no real waves to talk about - just wind swells the. something with higher aspect is probably due. There is no point of sacrificing glide and pump with a specific surf foil like say the Sk8 and let's say tthe unifoil.

I will only comment on what i've ridden which does include the Sk8 and the uni foil.

I highly rate the code, Armstrong HA V2 and the F one eagle. Out of these the armstrong turns the best then code. But for glide the eagle is the best followed by the code which is similar to HA new armie foil. Of course there are different lines to consider.

There is no magic bullet - more turn (surfability) less speed / glide. This is all taken from proning all three (the f one and armstrong quite a lot as i swap with a mate regularly). The pump per size of the F one eagle is outstanding. But the armie turns better and even my f one mate agrees.

So given you have no real waves of investigate the Armstrong or code options myself.

My basic premise is the new high aspect wings do surf - allows turning and that surf specific foils are NOT what you need. you need some turning ability but ability to glide and pump onto the wind created swell lines mearns you should prioritise glide and speed. All these new Ha aspect foils also handle the chop really well.

So where are you located Mfoiler and what do you weight?availability and prices can very different depending on where you live.
Some stuff is probably great when you are a bit lighter, but when you are a bit heavier dude like me (188cm tall x97kg, probably over 100kg with full winter suit) other gear is just not suitable.

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eppo said..

mfoiler said..
I'm looking to upgrade my first foil (slingshot quantum 100 for reference) Where I live there are no true surf waves to talk about. At most we get some wind swells/bumps and conditions can be quite choppy, or it's all flat on an offshore wind. Yet I'm intrigued by the marketing "promise" of some surf specific foils on how well they carve as carving around is one of the things I enjoy doing the most. Am I completely off eying foils such as f-one's sk8, north sonar sf, gong ypra s/curve h and similar? Or would you recommend I look at other categories of foils? Appreciate any advice I can get here!

If there are no real waves to talk about - just wind swells the. something with higher aspect is probably due. There is no point of sacrificing glide and pump with a specific surf foil like say the Sk8 and let's say tthe unifoil.

I will only comment on what i've ridden which does include the Sk8 and the uni foil.

I highly rate the code, Armstrong HA V2 and the F one eagle. Out of these the armstrong turns the best then code. But for glide the eagle is the best followed by the code which is similar to HA new armie foil. Of course there are different lines to consider.

There is no magic bullet - more turn (surfability) less speed / glide. This is all taken from proning all three (the f one and armstrong quite a lot as i swap with a mate regularly). The pump per size of the F one eagle is outstanding. But the armie turns better and even my f one mate agrees.

So given you have no real waves of investigate the Armstrong or code options myself.

My basic premise is the new high aspect wings do surf - allows turning and that surf specific foils are NOT what you need. you need some turning ability but ability to glide and pump onto the wind created swell lines mearns you should prioritise glide and speed. All these new Ha aspect foils also handle the chop really well.

Thank you eppo, this is the kind of feedback I was looking for! "Turnier" HA's might be what I should look at. Unfortunately Armstrong and Code aren't widely available where I am but I will keep an eye out!

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Jeroensurf said..
So where are you located Mfoiler and what do you weight?availability and prices can very different depending on where you live.
Some stuff is probably great when you are a bit lighter, but when you are a bit heavier dude like me (188cm tall x97kg, probably over 100kg with full winter suit) other gear is just not suitable.

I'm in the Nordics and weigh 82kg without a wetsuit and gear!

Try the Sabfoil Razor Pro Piuma line as well if you have a chance. These do not need big waves to keep going, and are super versatile and surfy. My favourite both on flat water and in the waves as well.

A 631 cm2 foil in the first clip, with very small waves.



And ca 850 cm2 foil here in the first half in this clip (was slightly too powerful for the conditions), and ca 750 cm2 in the second half (much better).

It's really difficult... I got Axis SF 900 and Art 999. Don't live in Australia or near ocean swell but coming from surfing and started winging/foiling. Tryed the unifoil progression 170 and found it's much looser than the art. SF turns like **** but not so good in Glide/speed. Now new Art V2 is out... What to do? Flatwater the 999 was incredible again few days ago. But also doing lot of Maneuver. And Spitefire in Atlantic swell was cool on holidays in May. If it could possible I would try silk, sk8...and all the other stuff Too.
What I like to say... It's expensive and not easy, if not impossible, to find a foil that's good for all. Also tryed the north sonar sf in smaller sizes in Netherlands. Didn't impress me that much. I also looking for a fast, turny, reachable foil, with good low end and great high end.... There is nothing that is doing everything good!? Silk sounds like the best compromise for winging and prone. With good speed, glide and Turnability!? But... Expensive... Searching the holy cow!
BTW aren't the original Sab razor better with low end than the pro?

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Driks said..

BTW aren't the original Sab razor better with low end than the pro?

The low end is not that much different, also depends on the skills and the board a bit I think, but the high end of the razor pro is definitely way better. I am very often using a size bigger front wing now, compared to the original razors. That said, the original razors I only used with the normal masts and fuselages, the Piuma masts and fuselages are thinner and lighter, and it all adds up and helps. The masts are more expensive though.

Thanks Taavi, for suggesting the Razor Pro front wing from Sabfoil.
I have the wrp975 and wrp825. The glide and pump of the wrp975 makes it way better for riding swell and bumps than the w945. The w945 is slightly more surfy and better behaving riding breaking waves. Wrp975 handles white water and turbulence a notch better.

Wrp825 beats w945 in every way, except in starting speed and ability to head up wind. There physics comes into the equation.

We always wear wetsuits and impact vests, so rider weight is just north of 90kgs. I ride North sea mainly, relatively shallow and enclosed body of water. No real ground swells, but shorter period windbumps and windswell. Mediocre waves on a good day. Great playground for foiling.

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Driks said..
I also looking for a fast, turny, reachable foil, with good low end and great high end.... There is nothing that is doing everything good!? Silk sounds like the best compromise for winging and prone. With good speed, glide and Turnability!?

The Silk will not disappoint! Their speed makes up for any lack of glide and I have consistently linked windswell for 10 minutes or longer. Besides the turns feeling better than any other foil I've ever ridden, my favorite thing is that when they are reaching max speeds they still turn just as well as at slow speed!? This is something I always disliked with high aspect foils and have been so stoked about with the Silk!