Another brand comparison, done pretty well.
www.theinertia.com/gear/best-parawings/

This is the kind of thing we need WAY more of

Bowen (seems to be great guy) clearly gets something from F-one! He got the Frigate before everyone else. Why even bother writing about plume when the article is about parawinging if you don't want to advertise for it. Why even bother using a plume that has such a bad low end (all the lines! Dangerous!) when you can use even smaller inflatable wing if you don't want to use parawing.

It seems to fail to answer a fundamental question: when parawings are overpowered, do they fold the tips or the center?
All parawings will fold at some point when you are overpowered and upwind, so for me, answering this question is a must in a proper test.

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Retina said..
Bowen (seems to be great guy) clearly gets something from F-one! He got the Frigate before everyone else. Why even bother writing about plume when the article is about parawinging if you don't want to advertise for it. Why even bother using a plume that has such a bad low end (all the lines! Dangerous!) when you can use even smaller inflatable wing if you don't want to use parawing.

Hmmm there is good info there.

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pp4 said..
It seems to fail to answer a fundamental question: when parawings are overpowered, do they fold the tips or the center?
All parawings will fold at some point when you are overpowered and upwind, so for me, answering this question is a must in a proper test.

I thought he answered it well. I have a Dwing and the tip fold is accurate. Still goes upwind just flaps a bit.

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hilly said..

pp4 said..
It seems to fail to answer a fundamental question: when parawings are overpowered, do they fold the tips or the center?
All parawings will fold at some point when you are overpowered and upwind, so for me, answering this question is a must in a proper test.

I thought he answered it well. I have a Dwing and the tip fold is accurate. Still goes upwind just flaps a bit.

I have not seem any comments on the tip reaction on the frigata. I have own naish, which look very similar to the frigata and dwing in profile. And tips are folding a bit, yes still goes upwind but it is a lot more comfortable in the BRMs or duotone that only fold in the center.
Then, looking at how this high aspect with big camber move around, I will still prefer a lower aspect with lower aspect.
My point is, this is a good review, but there are many other points and preferences to consider to pick a winner. They all work these days but for different purposes.

Another one

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Retina said..
Bowen (seems to be great guy) clearly gets something from F-one! He got the Frigate before everyone else. Why even bother writing about plume when the article is about parawinging if you don't want to advertise for it. Why even bother using a plume that has such a bad low end (all the lines! Dangerous!) when you can use even smaller inflatable wing if you don't want to use parawing.

Maybe he does have a deal with Fone, hard to say for sure. Bowen posted the article in the FB parawing group and answered a few questions about it in the comments. He said his editors decided to keep it as a "best of" which is how he ended up with this bunch of pwings. I am guessing the exclusion of Naish and Duotone is a vote of no confidence in their pwings.

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hilly said..

This one seems better.

Like all reviews I've read over years of windsurf/kitesurf take with a pinch of salt.
some are clear fails Rodger v1 in hands of mortals, but at the time what was bench mark? a lot of ppl with an agenda, got to do due diligence.

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Retina said..
Bowen (seems to be great guy) clearly gets something from F-one! He got the Frigate before everyone else. Why even bother writing about plume when the article is about parawinging if you don't want to advertise for it. Why even bother using a plume that has such a bad low end (all the lines! Dangerous!) when you can use even smaller inflatable wing if you don't want to use parawing.

I know Bowen, he is not a team rider for any brand. He bought his own parawings (BRM) to begin with and started doing this test with a friend of his at The Inertia and they reached out to get companies to send their parawings for test. I know that the local F-One distributor flew back from France with that Frigate and handed it over to Bowen and Will to test. At one time, they only had a 3m Pocket Rocket, and I lent them a 3.6 to test and also arranged for them to get some days on the Duotone Stash 3m. Take from their review what you will.

I have three ozone PR's and love them. For ozone deploying success is really good when i depower with all the front lines. I think all the hype around only grabbing the core front lines is what leads to low percentage redeployment due to tangling of the free tips flapping in the wind while wadding.

It's this technique that led people to try shortening the lines I feel. I like the line lengths as they are when ripping up wind

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AnyBoard said..
I have three ozone PR's and love them. For ozone deploying success is really good when i depower with all the front lines. I think all the hype around only grabbing the core front lines is what leads to low percentage redeployment due to tangling of the free tips flapping in the wind while wadding.

It's this technique that led people to try shortening the lines I feel. I like the line lengths as they are when ripping up wind

When you say "all the front lines" vs the "core front lines" are you referring to all the "A" lines vs just the "center A lines"? Just want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly.

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BWalnut said..

AnyBoard said..
I have three ozone PR's and love them. For ozone deploying success is really good when i depower with all the front lines. I think all the hype around only grabbing the core front lines is what leads to low percentage redeployment due to tangling of the free tips flapping in the wind while wadding.

It's this technique that led people to try shortening the lines I feel. I like the line lengths as they are when ripping up wind

When you say "all the front lines" vs the "core front lines" are you referring to all the "A" lines vs just the "center A lines"? Just want to make sure I'm understanding you correctly.

Yes sorry. All the the A lines results in a very high percentage redeployment vs centre A lines causing tips to tangle regularly.

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AnyBoard said..
I have three ozone PR's and love them. For ozone deploying success is really good when i depower with all the front lines. I think all the hype around only grabbing the core front lines is what leads to low percentage redeployment due to tangling of the free tips flapping in the wind while wadding.

It's this technique that led people to try shortening the lines I feel. I like the line lengths as they are when ripping up wind

Does your statement apply to Ozone PR 4.3 and 5m too? I feel the lines on the 4.3m are really way too long.
I learnt and progressed on the PR 4.3m. Then last week I tried the Ka'a. It was another sport. Went from 50/60% success rate on stow/deploy to 100% with the short lines Ka'a and upwind performance didn't suffer that much.
Ozone and Flysurfer might have the best upwind and ride feel, but the long lines on the 4.3m and up are really a major issue in my book.

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SlowlyButSurely said..

AnyBoard said..
I have three ozone PR's and love them. For ozone deploying success is really good when i depower with all the front lines. I think all the hype around only grabbing the core front lines is what leads to low percentage redeployment due to tangling of the free tips flapping in the wind while wadding.

It's this technique that led people to try shortening the lines I feel. I like the line lengths as they are when ripping up wind

Does your statement apply to Ozone PR 4.3 and 5m too? I feel the lines on the 4.3m are really way too long.
I learnt and progressed on the PR 4.3m. Then last week I tried the Ka'a. It was another sport. Went from 50/60% success rate on stow/deploy to 100% with the short lines Ka'a and upwind performance didn't suffer that much.
Ozone and Flysurfer might have the best upwind and ride feel, but the long lines on the 4.3m and up are really a major issue in my book.

Sorry i can't help you there. I am too light (65kg) to need a 4.3.

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Retina said..
Bowen (seems to be great guy) clearly gets something from F-one! He got the Frigate before everyone else. Why even bother writing about plume when the article is about parawinging if you don't want to advertise for it. Why even bother using a plume that has such a bad low end (all the lines! Dangerous!) when you can use even smaller inflatable wing if you don't want to use parawing.

In many recent interview I've watched, many have the f-one plume top overall I think it seems coherent and it's like a V2...they came late in the game.

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SlowlyButSurely said..

AnyBoard said..
I have three ozone PR's and love them. For ozone deploying success is really good when i depower with all the front lines. I think all the hype around only grabbing the core front lines is what leads to low percentage redeployment due to tangling of the free tips flapping in the wind while wadding.

It's this technique that led people to try shortening the lines I feel. I like the line lengths as they are when ripping up wind

Does your statement apply to Ozone PR 4.3 and 5m too? I feel the lines on the 4.3m are really way too long.
I learnt and progressed on the PR 4.3m. Then last week I tried the Ka'a. It was another sport. Went from 50/60% success rate on stow/deploy to 100% with the short lines Ka'a and upwind performance didn't suffer that much.
Ozone and Flysurfer might have the best upwind and ride feel, but the long lines on the 4.3m and up are really a major issue in my book.

Sorry i can't help you there. I am too light (65kg) to need a 4.3.

I should add that as your arms become wider apart towards the end of the collapsing I sometimes don't have the strength to complete the collapse in one pull even with the 3 and especially when really powered up so I take two goes. It's like two grabs of the front lines. Takes 2 seconds longer so doesn't worry me and I think it may be the approach for all the brands where the wings get over a certain size anyway. I have seen Cynthia do this and brm riders also but I have not seen it discussed much. This occurs when say the bump speed is 20ks and the wind speed is like 45ks so you are trying to collapse in an effective wind of 25ks. My 3.6 is typically easier to collapse because the effective wind is less.

I ride up wind and ride the bumps back 2 to 6k so about 6 to 18 minutes of surfing for one collapse and 12 to 36 minutes respectfully to get up there. That's a long time to appreciate the long lines and how well the ozone flies up wind. For maybe 20 seconds of collapsing.

Something to consider.

2 stage 4 A line method

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hilly said..
2 stage 4 A line method

www.facebook.com/share/v/1DmyusanKA/?mibextid=wwXIfr

I literally just saw this and it is the same as what i do except I do it with all the A lines for no tangles.

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hilly said..
2 stage 4 A line method

www.facebook.com/share/v/1DmyusanKA/?mibextid=wwXIfr

thanks a lot. this works great on the beach, but it is much more unpredictable in high winds as, if I am not fast enough, while doing the second grab, the pw can start spinning.I had enough hours on the Pocket Rocket and I come to the conclusion that as much as I like it (very much), the lines, at least on the 4.3m and up, are way too long to allow me to do stow and deploy in a constant fashion.
The BRM v2 Kanaha and Ka'a, at least for my purposes, having shorter lines, are vastly more versatile.
If I had the long period swell seen in Maui, it would be no issue as you stow the pw in your belt and ride on.But in the souther Europe, we have the typical short period wind swell where frequent stow and deploy are needed.
I have no doubt the when and if Ozone will release its v2 PR, the lines will be at least 20-30cm shorter than the current version.

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SlowlyButSurely said..

hilly said..
2 stage 4 A line method

www.facebook.com/share/v/1DmyusanKA/?mibextid=wwXIfr

thanks a lot. this works great on the beach, but it is much more unpredictable in high winds as, if I am not fast enough, while doing the second grab, the pw can start spinning.I had enough hours on the Pocket Rocket and I come to the conclusion that as much as I like it (very much), the lines, at least on the 4.3m and up, are way too long to allow me to do stow and deploy in a constant fashion.
The BRM v2 Kanaha and Ka'a, at least for my purposes, having shorter lines, are vastly more versatile.
If I had the long period swell seen in Maui, it would be no issue as you stow the pw in your belt and ride on.But in the souther Europe, we have the typical short period wind swell where frequent stow and deploy are needed.
I have no doubt the when and if Ozone will release its v2 PR, the lines will be at least 20-30cm shorter than the current version.

Horses for courses. The BRMs stow easier than the PRs, but have nothing on the upwind angles you can get on the PRs. I figured that technique can compensate for the stowing short-comings much better than it can compensate for upwind capabilities

I haven't used the 5m, but I can stow my 4.3m with not much effort.