I am new to PW and really enjoying it. At the moment I only have 4m 777 PW and using a sup foil board.
I am noticing that the balance on the board is completely different than winging. With the PW I am standing almost a foot further back and have my foil all the way forward. Has anyone experienced the same? I am thinking that for a dedicated PW board I will move the boxes forward dramatically.I will also like foot straps but that would be a challenge to get them in the correct location.
would like to hear what others are experiencing

I am generally using a DW board for winging and parawinging, and my mast is in the same position. On a light day, I will start on an 8m ventis and once the wind hits 15 knots, out comes the pwings.

I also have sinker that I have used for winging and have just started to pwing on it. I have not altered the mast on that board either

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bolocom said..
I am new to PW and really enjoying it. At the moment I only have 4m 777 PW and using a sup foil board.
I am noticing that the balance on the board is completely different than winging. With the PW I am standing almost a foot further back and have my foil all the way forward. Has anyone experienced the same? I am thinking that for a dedicated PW board I will move the boxes forward dramatically.I will also like foot straps but that would be a challenge to get them in the correct location.
would like to hear what others are experiencing

That's a pretty big change. My mast is in the same place for winging and parawinging.

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BWalnut said..

bolocom said..
I am new to PW and really enjoying it. At the moment I only have 4m 777 PW and using a sup foil board.
I am noticing that the balance on the board is completely different than winging. With the PW I am standing almost a foot further back and have my foil all the way forward. Has anyone experienced the same? I am thinking that for a dedicated PW board I will move the boxes forward dramatically.I will also like foot straps but that would be a challenge to get them in the correct location.
would like to hear what others are experiencing

That's a pretty big change. My mast is in the same place for winging and parawinging.

I agree, but feels right and I think it all looks good. See pic.

I have the 777 pt skin 4m, i have 2 boards - axis blast 75l (I am 85kg) and an 8ft axis DW board, I run the mast in exactly the same position for both boards.I think ideally i would like a 90l board for parawing as it will plane faster and then get up fatster, but the 75l is all ive got so ill just deal with it.The DW board is 120l and a bit harder beacuse of its trackyness, the 75l is way easier but I need a bit more wind 18-25 knots.the DW board I can get up much lighter but its a bit tricky. however i need to learn this to DW.usually running the axis spitfire 960, but still newsih in the parawing thing, SF840 when winging, same wind speed

I think with the pw it's better to have some extra board in front of you for light wind take offs so I am running a little back in the box compared to winging. I also don't really need to move my feet between takeoff and foiling.

For dw and wing I was running up to an inch forward of the Kane balance test point but with pw I am pretty well right on it so I can stand a little back.Why do you find it better to have the foil forward?

Smik "The Jack" is the biz. Easy to get up and feels small when up.


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I have a DW bd and a 6'6"custom mid length too and position mast in pretty much same place as I would reg winging when PWing similar locations and I'm a heavier rider 100 kgs,kinda strange OP getting way different mast positions winging to PWing dunno hmmm

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bolocom said..

I agree, but feels right and I think it all looks good. See pic.

Looking relaxed and like it's in the right spot. If I were to move a full foot back and then slide my foil all the way forward I don't think I could ride any of my setups. If you wing with the kit in parawing position is it a total mess? It's not something like a wide winging stance vs a narrow parawing stance? Peculiar situation.

When I parawing my sinker (-20L) crossover board, I scoot my feet back several inches from my position vs winging on the same board. I scoot my foil back approximately the same amount. The reason I scoot back is because the board isn't purpose built for parawing and i need a little more volume ahead of my stance to keep the nose from pearling on takeoff. I have a purpose built neutral volume pwing board with more volume in the nose, and on that board, my wing and parawing stance (and foil position) are identical.

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BWalnut said..

bolocom said..

I agree, but feels right and I think it all looks good. See pic.

Looking relaxed and like it's in the right spot. If I were to move a full foot back and then slide my foil all the way forward I don't think I could ride any of my setups. If you wing with the kit in parawing position is it a total mess? It's not something like a wide winging stance vs a narrow parawing stance? Peculiar situation.

No, but will be standing almost a foot further forward. Can't figure out why. My other board is 60l, have t tried it with the PW yet.

I'm 84Kg and have a 115L DW board and a 65L mid length which I use for winging and parawinging. I run the mast in the same position for both.

However when on foil with the DW board by back foot is 30cm behind where I would wing. I don't like this stance but need to because to go upwind with the parawing I drive hard with the back foot to keep the parawing at the edge of the window. The pulling force is so differant to wing. I then depower slightly and move my feet to the normal wind/dw stance just before the pack away.

When using the 65L board on windy days everything is so much easier it feels balanced on foil but I do use foot straps which helps edging upwind. I think a 80-90l mid length would be ideal.

I saw you learning at the airport, you were super powered up and your board was too big but were going well but I'm not surprised you had the stance issue.

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hilly said..

Smik "The Jack" is the biz. Easy to get up and feels small when up.


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GREAT looking board man and the specs are perfect! seems they have ZERO dealers on the continental usa though and that model isn't even on their webpage yet? ya got me all stoked and then pulled the rug.. ??

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kyrojoe said..

hilly said..

Smik "The Jack" is the biz. Easy to get up and feels small when up.


www.instagram.com/reel/DQvQTT_AcjC/?igsh=endoZWlibGFseGlm

GREAT looking board man and the specs are perfect! seems they have ZERO dealers on the continental usa though and that model isn't even on their webpage yet? ya got me all stoked and then pulled the rug.. ??

Go direct to Scotty
www.smiksup.com/about-1


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Jade on Fbook group trained ChatGPT on TheFoilRat podcast. I chatted it up and brought my take on board volume to KG ratio. Here's the chart it came up with. I think it's spot on. Thoughts?

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MidAtlanticFoil said..
Jade on Fbook group trained ChatGPT on TheFoilRat podcast. I chatted it up and brought my take on board volume to KG ratio. Here's the chart it came up with. I think it's spot on. Thoughts?

If your wind is consistent spot on.

I ride cross off winds in waves all the time, so I went with +1, in a compact shape with a recessed deck. Works well and I get less shark anxiety floating around out the back