What the recommended length? Have ozone 4.3m 180cm long. Surely longer lines (length of hand+underarm?) in the beginning and then maybe shorter.

Are people preferring the single attachment style harness line or can I go with some bungee embedded in dyneema? Also curious about length ????

I just made and tested a prototype harness line that is a bit unorthodox. The goal was to make a harness line that attaches from the belt, rather than from the bar. Keeping the bar clear of unnecessary clutter is always nice!

My original thought was to use a short dyneema bungee line with a plastic hook on the end, attached to my belt - but I couldn't find a suitable hook. (Who has the 3d printer skills???)

Looking around my garage for options, I took a 4cm rubber stopper and drilled a hole though it and attached it to my belt with a bit of solid dyneema line. I then took a length of dyneema bungee line and inserted it inside a vinyl sleeve, leaving a roughly 5cm loop on either end visible. I slipped one loop end through the ozone belt and then used the other end to loop over the parawing handle and back down to the rubber stopper. One hand can be used to push the rubber stopper through the free loop end.

I tested it today and it worked really well. I will only use it when I'm planning on doing 10 minute plus upwind legs offshore, as it does take a second or two more time to hook in, and it could be tough if really powered up and trying to hook in. I ended up hooking in on the beach and taxing out on my stomach and getting on foil right away. From there it was upwind test and it was nice to be able to adjust the harness line location easily on the bar, as the wind was really gusty. Once I turned downwind and rode some swell, I just tucked the harness line into the pouch. From there out I just went without harness and rode lapes in a small zone.

I think this style of inverse harness line, especially with a suitable hook for easy on/easy off will be the ticket, especially when used with the dyneema bungee. The bungee gives all the freedom to fly the PW and control tension / pull ratio without worrying about unexpectedly coming unhooked. My standard bar style bungee single loop is only around 6", but I don't like the velcro attachment point on the bar.

For length to start with hold the bar and measure just past your elbow. These stretchy ones work well www.etsy.com/au/listing/1854859718/harness-line-for-all-parawings?ref=shop_home_active_2&logging_key=03fd19c6634d339ddf7c853c3ae24ee8af8695c5%3A1854859718

I am liking around 14-15cm monoline:

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MidAtlanticFoil said..
I just made and tested a prototype harness line that is a bit unorthodox. The goal was to make a harness line that attaches from the belt, rather than from the bar. Keeping the bar clear of unnecessary clutter is always nice!

My original thought was to use a short dyneema bungee line with a plastic hook on the end, attached to my belt - but I couldn't find a suitable hook. (Who has the 3d printer skills???)

Looking around my garage for options, I took a 4cm rubber stopper and drilled a hole though it and attached it to my belt with a bit of solid dyneema line. I then took a length of dyneema bungee line and inserted it inside a vinyl sleeve, leaving a roughly 5cm loop on either end visible. I slipped one loop end through the ozone belt and then used the other end to loop over the parawing handle and back down to the rubber stopper. One hand can be used to push the rubber stopper through the free loop end.

I tested it today and it worked really well. I will only use it when I'm planning on doing 10 minute plus upwind legs offshore, as it does take a second or two more time to hook in, and it could be tough if really powered up and trying to hook in. I ended up hooking in on the beach and taxing out on my stomach and getting on foil right away. From there it was upwind test and it was nice to be able to adjust the harness line location easily on the bar, as the wind was really gusty. Once I turned downwind and rode some swell, I just tucked the harness line into the pouch. From there out I just went without harness and rode lapes in a small zone.

I think this style of inverse harness line, especially with a suitable hook for easy on/easy off will be the ticket, especially when used with the dyneema bungee. The bungee gives all the freedom to fly the PW and control tension / pull ratio without worrying about unexpectedly coming unhooked. My standard bar style bungee single loop is only around 6", but I don't like the velcro attachment point on the bar.

Jim Stringfellow is making a great harness and hook setup that sounds like just what you're looking for.

www.jimstringfellow.com/products/maliko-tether-hook-system

Greg Drexler was talking about it recently. He is such a purist he couldn't deal with an extra harness line dangling off his bar.

I think this style of line and hook setup has a lot of advantages for parawing.

Firstly a nice clean bar with no extra dangly bits. Personally I think that's a big advantage.

You don't need a separate harness line for each parawing or have to swap lines between parawings.

No need for a hook on your harness. Removes an extra tangle point and something that can damage your board.

The best version of this would be with a bungee line to reduce dangliness and a little pouch to tuck it into. Then you really wouldn't notice it when it's not there.
I am thinking of cutting my own hook out of a plastic cutting board. Or a thick chunk of plastic.

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Youngbreezy said..

MidAtlanticFoil said..
I just made and tested a prototype harness line that is a bit unorthodox. The goal was to make a harness line that attaches from the belt, rather than from the bar. Keeping the bar clear of unnecessary clutter is always nice!

My original thought was to use a short dyneema bungee line with a plastic hook on the end, attached to my belt - but I couldn't find a suitable hook. (Who has the 3d printer skills???)

Looking around my garage for options, I took a 4cm rubber stopper and drilled a hole though it and attached it to my belt with a bit of solid dyneema line. I then took a length of dyneema bungee line and inserted it inside a vinyl sleeve, leaving a roughly 5cm loop on either end visible. I slipped one loop end through the ozone belt and then used the other end to loop over the parawing handle and back down to the rubber stopper. One hand can be used to push the rubber stopper through the free loop end.

I tested it today and it worked really well. I will only use it when I'm planning on doing 10 minute plus upwind legs offshore, as it does take a second or two more time to hook in, and it could be tough if really powered up and trying to hook in. I ended up hooking in on the beach and taxing out on my stomach and getting on foil right away. From there it was upwind test and it was nice to be able to adjust the harness line location easily on the bar, as the wind was really gusty. Once I turned downwind and rode some swell, I just tucked the harness line into the pouch. From there out I just went without harness and rode lapes in a small zone.

I think this style of inverse harness line, especially with a suitable hook for easy on/easy off will be the ticket, especially when used with the dyneema bungee. The bungee gives all the freedom to fly the PW and control tension / pull ratio without worrying about unexpectedly coming unhooked. My standard bar style bungee single loop is only around 6", but I don't like the velcro attachment point on the bar.

Jim Stringfellow is making a great harness and hook setup that sounds like just what you're looking for.

www.jimstringfellow.com/products/maliko-tether-hook-system

Greg Drexler was talking about it recently. He is such a purist he couldn't deal with an extra harness line dangling off his bar.

I think this style of line and hook setup has a lot of advantages for parawing.

Firstly a nice clean bar with no extra dangly bits. Personally I think that's a big advantage.

You don't need a separate harness line for each parawing or have to swap lines between parawings.

No need for a hook on your harness. Removes an extra tangle point and something that can damage your board.

The best version of this would be with a bungee line to reduce dangliness and a little pouch to tuck it into. Then you really wouldn't notice it when it's not there.
I am thinking of cutting my own hook out of a plastic cutting board. Or a thick chunk of plastic.

Yes! Thank you Yougbreezy! This is the ticket. I'll buy this and replace the dyneema with my 4MM bungee dyneema that I have on hand. I like your idea about the pouch. It would be easy to use some spare neoprene to make a pouch and attach to the belt line.

No need for the dyneema with bungee chord, it works fine on its own. I've been using plain bungee chord in my wing and parawing harness lines for a couple of seasons, never broken one or worn one out. It retracts perfectly and doesn't flap around.

I have been using a bit of 10/2 Romex wire. works great. Line is always there for me, never flapping or getting tangled. only concern is it might sink the bar if i let go. I bet its sort of buoyant though. I had it in pretty windy conditions on the 3m flow and it held perfect. Took 5 minutes to rig.

I have a new Parawing harness setup. I've replaced the 3/16" old leashe line with 3/16" bungee with nylon outer shell. Nice and compact and has held up fine.

How bent are your arms when using your harnesses? Do you have them straight out like a wing?

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Microsurfer said..
How bent are your arms when using your harnesses? Do you have them straight out like a wing?

They're pretty straight out pushing down at a 45 degree angle. The bar sits straight off my waist. I like to keep the Parawing low to the water and close the gap to get most efficiency.

anyone using the new BRM harness setup, with the gated biner and stiffened line?