Mikedubs said..
Says a man whos countrymen at 'O' to every thing ??

ah steady on miko. ! I wasn't talking about his accent.

I am seeing a flood of PowerPack for sale, I guess from users getting bombarded by all the ravishing release reviews on the PR v2.
It seems as if it's either PR v2 or nothing. Ozone itself did horribly in their marketing strategy in my opinion.
They have not highlighted the PR vs PP differences in a way easy for the users to appreciate and left a lot of PP users with the feeling they have bought almost an early release PR v2 with their PP.
What is the line length difference in cm? which turns better in low wind conditions? which one has better low end? It's all left out for people to guess. Same reviewers saying PP has better low end, other saying the PR v2 does.

BRM had similar offering last year with the Maliko 2, Kanaha and Ka'a and there was v little left for interpretation. Even without trying I know what I was getting myself into with, lets say, Kanaha vs Ka'a.

This year with the PRvs vs PP the narrative is quite confusing. When PP was released Ozone said PP was for intermediate advanced users. Now, in the latest Ozone description on their website, the PP became also a beginner wing!: "The art of simplicity - from entry-level ease to making many hot laps every session, the PowerPack works at both ends of the performance spectrum".

hmm...

BWalnut said..

SlowlyButSurely said.. Ozone itself did horribly in their marketing strategy in my opinion.

Gotta agree with you on that. I was shocked when they announced the power pack and leaked the pocket rocket v2 was coming in an interview at the same time. PP was a hard no buy for me instantly.
One thing that I haven't quite spotted in early PRv2 reviews yet is if the top end and overall range has stayed the same? Here's the comparison chart and I wonder if the ranges here actually changed, or if they just tweaked and got more accurate? v1 on top and v2 on bottom.

where’d u pull that V2 wind range data from B?

BWalnut said.. Here's the comparison chart and I wonder if the ranges here actually changed, or if they just tweaked and got more accurate? v1 on top and v2 on bottom.

Looks like they have adjusted their claims of wind range down with the bottom end the same. So less top end Seems at odds with the hype.

Youngbreezy said..Interesting, looks like they are being quite conservative with the wind ranges for the v2 if not perhaps a bit understated. I am getting a better wind range out of my current wings than what they are showing on their chart and I'm sure the PRv2 is much better than what Ive got currently.

I'm expecting just conservative. I think the published v1 wind range was off a bit and they may have tightened it on the new chart so it's not as useful as a v1 vs v2. I'm yet to hear any reviewer mention that the v2 wind range isn't as good (more comments about enhanced low end) or that top end has been sacrificed (although that slightly cupped trailing edge caught my eye). I should have mine in a couple weeks and will find out pretty quickly how the range feels for me vs the v1s.

airsail said..
Sizing? I already have the 2.4 PP, so 4.3, 3.6, 2.4, can I skip the 3mtr?

The foilrat and ozone podcast (all sponsored) said there's not much overlap in sizes so skipping isn't recommended. In my experience though, from v1, I easily could have gone 3m down to 1.9m because when the 3m was totally maxed out the 2.4m didn't have much more in the tank. I get mine soon I hope and skipped the 3m so I'll let you know if I regret it.

BWalnut said..

airsail said..
Sizing? I already have the 2.4 PP, so 4.3, 3.6, 2.4, can I skip the 3mtr?

The foilrat and ozone podcast (all sponsored) said there's not much overlap in sizes so skipping isn't recommended. In my experience though, from v1, I easily could have gone 3m down to 1.9m because when the 3m was totally maxed out the 2.4m didn't have much more in the tank. I get mine soon I hope and skipped the 3m so I'll let you know if I regret it.

They also said there is a 3rd wing coming out, dedicated to racing????

Ordered a 4.3 and 5 to be my upwind/downwind tool. I do not downwind shuttle much and only in strong wind will keep the 2.5/3.5 Frigates for that as they pack down well. 5m PR in the backpack as security.

I hope they are as good as the reviews say. What I like the look of is the collapse in offshore winds I saw Dimitry doing on his vid.

hilly said..
Ordered a 4.3 and 5 to be my upwind/downwind tool. I do not downwind shuttle much and only in strong wind will keep the 2.5/3.5 Frigates for that as they pack down well. 5m PR in the backpack as security.

I hope they are as good as the reviews say. What I like the look of is the collapse in offshore winds I saw Dimitry doing on his vid.

yeh same and the 3m

hilly said..
Ordered a 4.3 and 5 to be my upwind/downwind tool. I do not downwind shuttle much and only in strong wind will keep the 2.5/3.5 Frigates for that as they pack down well. 5m PR in the backpack as security.

I hope they are as good as the reviews say. What I like the look of is the collapse in offshore winds I saw Dimitry doing on his vid.

Ordered a 5m for the same reason Hilly. Will compliment my hybrids and dw specific Parawing's well I think.

hilly said..

Sheps said..

hilly said..
Ordered a 4.3 and 5 to be my upwind/downwind tool. I do not downwind shuttle much and only in strong wind will keep the 2.5/3.5 Frigates for that as they pack down well. 5m PR in the backpack as security.

I hope they are as good as the reviews say. What I like the look of is the collapse in offshore winds I saw Dimitry doing on his vid.

Ordered a 5m for the same reason Hilly. Will compliment my hybrids and dw specific Parawing's well I think.

Yep hybrids are high wind looking for the light wind upwind/downwind machine. Ptskin 5.4 was not quite it with upwind not good enough.

The low end is surprisingly good on the hybrid 4.3 but you do lose steering so a single skin I think is the best thing to compliment. Biggest advantage of the hybrid is the crazy good wind range while maintaining well above average up wind ability. But for super light wind it's a no.

BWalnut said..

ossy said..
Has anybody done a direct comparison with the v1? As a recent para winging convert currently using a 3.6m V1 pocket rocket, I am torn between buying another couple of cheaper V1's (lots coming up 2nd hand) or stumping out for the v2. any thoughts?

I think if you need bigger sizes, go v2 as I'd expect the shorter lines and easier packdown would be appreciated. I only flew 3.6 and larger a handful of times though. If you are going smaller, I can vouch that the 3m and 2.4m v1 were perfect for me other than long term durability concerns.

Thanks, that's really helpful. It's easy to get caught up in all the (very expensive) hype.

yeh every product has its "hype" that's just the game. But i'd say like kites, like DW boards, ML
boards and even foils from about 3 years ago until now- there will be significant improvements in every brands next para iteration - until new models just become refined tweaks (and hyped as the greatest thing ever but they aren't). Point i'm making is - if you have the coin and the will - it's probably worth considering upgrading to any newer version from any brand currently. Early days.

pitbulldoug said..

hilly said..
Ordered a 4.3 and 5 to be my upwind/downwind tool. I do not downwind shuttle much and only in strong wind will keep the 2.5/3.5 Frigates for that as they pack down well. 5m PR in the backpack as security.

I hope they are as good as the reviews say. What I like the look of is the collapse in offshore winds I saw Dimitry doing on his vid.

surprised you got the 4.3 and a 5m as if my memory serves me rightly LOL,remember you are in the 100kgs crew like myself seems the 5.7 and 4.3 be good combo especially for backup if wind lulls out,4.3 and 5 so close together.I ordered 5.7/4.3/3.0 really like my 5.5m frigate though learned get along with a big PW pretty well

93kg now. Light wind PW doesn't interest me really. Tow boogie if swell and mtb if no swell are more fun imo.