I'm not going to go real deep on this other than to say, the overall design of the wing is outstanding, but two finer details hold it back from being what it could be. I have a 5M and a 6M.

The main body of the wing is incredibly well built, good power, outstanding top end that is where the wing really shines. Flags great, light in the hands, transitions well.

What I don't like...
#1 To me, I am completely baffled that they don't have a boom. While the extended front handle allows you to fly them with one hand the gap between the front and back is exactly where I instinctually grab when coming out of a transition. After a few sessions, it still drives me nuts, especially since I have another prototype wing that had a boom and performs very similar. I plan on ordering gap handles from Wingman for both wings.

#2 The LE handle is both in the wrong place (too high on the LE) and is floppy compared to the best of what I've ridden in other brands (Ezzy wings have this nailed). If they rotated the LE handle down (like FOne and Ezzy) and stiffened it up, the performance gain when flagging would be tremendous.

If they addressed both of these things, they would have one of the very best wings on the market. With current set up, I give the wings a B+ and, at the cost and how easily these could be better, that's crazy to me.

Anyone hearing rumors about boom options for these? That alone would go a long way.

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Oahuwaterwalker said..
I'm not going to go real deep on this other than to say, the overall design of the wing is outstanding, but two finer details hold it back from being what it could be. I have a 5M and a 6M.

The main body of the wing is incredibly well built, good power, outstanding top end that is where the wing really shines. Flags great, light in the hands, transitions well.

What I don't like...
#1 To me, I am completely baffled that they don't have a boom. While the extended front handle allows you to fly them with one hand the gap between the front and back is exactly where I instinctually grab when coming out of a transition. After a few sessions, it still drives me nuts, especially since I have another prototype wing that had a boom and performs very similar. I plan on ordering gap handles from Wingman for both wings.

#2 The LE handle is both in the wrong place (too high on the LE) and is floppy compared to the best of what I've ridden in other brands (Ezzy wings have this nailed). If they rotated the LE handle down (like FOne and Ezzy) and stiffened it up, the performance gain when flagging would be tremendous.

If they addressed both of these things, they would have one of the very best wings on the market. With current set up, I give the wings a B+ and, at the cost and how easily these could be better, that's crazy to me.

Anyone hearing rumors about boom options for these? That alone would go a long way.

I'm guessing the Flow V2 "may be" a boom wing. It's a shame they can't offer a mono handle/boom as a retro fit, perfectly possible I would imagine with the way the handles are connected. If it's possible to replace a handle then must be possible to fit a mono handle?

The flux ux was what i wish the standard construction flux v2 was. They added way to much flow dna to the flux v2 (non-ux). Loved how aggressive you could push the flux v1 and it just cranked upwind. Its achilles heel was the strut velcro attachment, multiple blown seams.

I,m not a racer and my joy in live is riding waves/bumps, and owned the V1 (5.0+4.3) and loved it for its flagging and upwind performance. That was imo a great allrounder!I demoed the V2Ultra and was a bit underwelmed by it. The upwind is still great, but from sitting in the middle of the spectrum they moved imo clearly to the freeride side. Tacking felt less natural and I wasnt that impressed with the flagging. The feel was to me the one of a rather big heavier feeling wing compared to other higher end wings like the Fone strike alula and UnitDlab.Have to say that as a non racer I,m still super happy with the Vayu Aura3 and haven,t ridden or demed something that suit me better..

Yeah not a racer either. Loved the upwind capabilities so i could maximize the dw bump riding

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Oahuwaterwalker said..
I'm not going to go real deep on this other than to say, the overall design of the wing is outstanding, but two finer details hold it back from being what it could be. I have a 5M and a 6M.

The main body of the wing is incredibly well built, good power, outstanding top end that is where the wing really shines. Flags great, light in the hands, transitions well.

What I don't like...
#1 To me, I am completely baffled that they don't have a boom. While the extended front handle allows you to fly them with one hand the gap between the front and back is exactly where I instinctually grab when coming out of a transition. After a few sessions, it still drives me nuts, especially since I have another prototype wing that had a boom and performs very similar. I plan on ordering gap handles from Wingman for both wings.

#2 The LE handle is both in the wrong place (too high on the LE) and is floppy compared to the best of what I've ridden in other brands (Ezzy wings have this nailed). If they rotated the LE handle down (like FOne and Ezzy) and stiffened it up, the performance gain when flagging would be tremendous.

If they addressed both of these things, they would have one of the very best wings on the market. With current set up, I give the wings a B+ and, at the cost and how easily these could be better, that's crazy to me.

Anyone hearing rumors about boom options for these? That alone would go a long way.

I only have the V1, keen to consider v2 eventually but for now it's doing the job for me. Main things Ozone could improve from V1 is the PVC windows that shrink and discolor, also the inflate valve system it is REALLY bad. Drives me nuts when the connector pops off when madly trying to get pump up and out on the water.

Contrary to OP, personally I like a floppy LE handle if you are trying to use the handle to overpower the wing in the roll axis by twisting it, then I would say you are doing it wrong. consider changing technique, when wave riding put the wing in the back hand and keep it low, the water surface keeps the wing level and even it flips over who cares just ride on. When you get to the end of the wave worry bout it then. Just nice n chill like Keahi:
www.instagram.com/reel/C7saDr1v2Eu/?igsh=Z2V6a2phdHU4ZGU5

Boom is not needed in the surf so I'll never consider wing with boom, I kinda think you just get used to the handle location with time. Boom vs no boom is a trade off between infinite grab location vs carrying an aluminium pole with you everywhere you go, both in the water or in the car.

Anyway, no right or wrong answer, just my Preferences are different for good or bad features of a wing

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J_foil said..

Oahuwaterwalker said..
I'm not going to go real deep on this other than to say, the overall design of the wing is outstanding, but two finer details hold it back from being what it could be. I have a 5M and a 6M.

The main body of the wing is incredibly well built, good power, outstanding top end that is where the wing really shines. Flags great, light in the hands, transitions well.

What I don't like...
#1 To me, I am completely baffled that they don't have a boom. While the extended front handle allows you to fly them with one hand the gap between the front and back is exactly where I instinctually grab when coming out of a transition. After a few sessions, it still drives me nuts, especially since I have another prototype wing that had a boom and performs very similar. I plan on ordering gap handles from Wingman for both wings.

#2 The LE handle is both in the wrong place (too high on the LE) and is floppy compared to the best of what I've ridden in other brands (Ezzy wings have this nailed). If they rotated the LE handle down (like FOne and Ezzy) and stiffened it up, the performance gain when flagging would be tremendous.

If they addressed both of these things, they would have one of the very best wings on the market. With current set up, I give the wings a B+ and, at the cost and how easily these could be better, that's crazy to me.

Anyone hearing rumors about boom options for these? That alone would go a long way.

I only have the V1, keen to consider v2 eventually but for now it's doing the job for me. Main things Ozone could improve from V1 is the PVC windows that shrink and discolor, also the inflate valve system it is REALLY bad. Drives me nuts when the connector pops off when madly trying to get pump up and out on the water.

Contrary to OP, personally I like a floppy LE handle if you are trying to use the handle to overpower the wing in the roll axis by twisting it, then I would say you are doing it wrong. consider changing technique, when wave riding put the wing in the back hand and keep it low, the water surface keeps the wing level and even it flips over who cares just ride on. When you get to the end of the wave worry bout it then. Just nice n chill like Keahi:
www.instagram.com/reel/C7saDr1v2Eu/?igsh=Z2V6a2phdHU4ZGU5

Boom is not needed in the surf so I'll never consider wing with boom, I kinda think you just get used to the handle location with time. Boom vs no boom is a trade off between infinite grab location vs carrying an aluminium pole with you everywhere you go, both in the water or in the car.

Anyway, no right or wrong answer, just my Preferences are different for good or bad features of a wing

I'm making the assumption your technique comment is intended to be helpful, so more background. Ive got a lot of time on the water 99% riding surf in Hawaii over 5 years. I've ridden surf with handles for the majority of the time I've been winging and you're correct, they work just fine. Even resisted the idea of a boom, until I tried one. If I hadn't tried a boom, I'd still be very much in the same camp as you on this topic.

The technique you're describing is exactly how I ride when appropriate. It's also not the only way to manage a wing while surfing. There's also points where you can use the wing flagged higher to help stall while on a wave face. That can be particularly useful in certain conditions and the difference between a floppy versus firm handle becomes very noticeable. Separately, a boom allows for one hand powered flying if you're trying to ride sectioning breaks. I'll note, I come from decades of wave sailing both windsurfing and kiting and that likely impacts my preferences.

If you haven't tried a solid front handle, properly positioned (look at FOne and Ezzy wings), and a boom you don't know what you're missing. A firm and properly positioned handle doesn't take away from your ability to manage a wing it enhances it.

The Ozone V2 is a very good wing, based on real world experience with a variety of wings, some that got it right and some that didn't, I'm offering suggestions for how I believe it could be even better.

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Oahuwaterwalker said..
I'm not going to go real deep on this other than to say, the overall design of the wing is outstanding, but two finer details hold it back from being what it could be. I have a 5M and a 6M.

The main body of the wing is incredibly well built, good power, outstanding top end that is where the wing really shines. Flags great, light in the hands, transitions well.

What I don't like...
#1 To me, I am completely baffled that they don't have a boom. While the extended front handle allows you to fly them with one hand the gap between the front and back is exactly where I instinctually grab when coming out of a transition. After a few sessions, it still drives me nuts, especially since I have another prototype wing that had a boom and performs very similar. I plan on ordering gap handles from Wingman for both wings.

#2 The LE handle is both in the wrong place (too high on the LE) and is floppy compared to the best of what I've ridden in other brands (Ezzy wings have this nailed). If they rotated the LE handle down (like FOne and Ezzy) and stiffened it up, the performance gain when flagging would be tremendous.

If they addressed both of these things, they would have one of the very best wings on the market. With current set up, I give the wings a B+ and, at the cost and how easily these could be better, that's crazy to me.

Anyone hearing rumors about boom options for these? That alone would go a long way.

I only have the V1, keen to consider v2 eventually but for now it's doing the job for me. Main things Ozone could improve from V1 is the PVC windows that shrink and discolor, also the inflate valve system it is REALLY bad. Drives me nuts when the connector pops off when madly trying to get pump up and out on the water.

Contrary to OP, personally I like a floppy LE handle if you are trying to use the handle to overpower the wing in the roll axis by twisting it, then I would say you are doing it wrong. consider changing technique, when wave riding put the wing in the back hand and keep it low, the water surface keeps the wing level and even it flips over who cares just ride on. When you get to the end of the wave worry bout it then. Just nice n chill like Keahi:
www.instagram.com/reel/C7saDr1v2Eu/?igsh=Z2V6a2phdHU4ZGU5

Boom is not needed in the surf so I'll never consider wing with boom, I kinda think you just get used to the handle location with time. Boom vs no boom is a trade off between infinite grab location vs carrying an aluminium pole with you everywhere you go, both in the water or in the car.

Anyway, no right or wrong answer, just my Preferences are different for good or bad features of a wing

If your connector slips off now and again from the valve then put one wrap of electrical tape over the adapter. Pull the tape tight so it stretches on clean, then cut any excess off. It worked a treat for me as it's a tighter fit.
I don't need to do that personally now that I'm using an electrical pump but with a manual pump it was more secure with a touch of tape.

After using Cabrinha and North valves, and seeing others have issues with Duotone, I like the Ozone valves as they are big simple and work! In very cold weather and freezing hands they are waaaay easier than other valves. I'd love a flush valve without a top screw on bit of course but hey ho.

The Valves aren,t a problem to me either, altough I do prever the Supvalve system.
Surfhandle: Try Slingshot. ..they have imo the best in the market.

I like the valves, no issues slipping out if you push in, or get the screw on adapter.

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Mikedubs said..
I like the valves, no issues slipping out if you push in, or get the screw on adapter.

Ooo what's this screw on adapter?

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Oahuwaterwalker said..

J_foil said..

Oahuwaterwalker said..
I'm not going to go real deep on this other than to say, the overall design of the wing is outstanding, but two finer details hold it back from being what it could be. I have a 5M and a 6M.

The main body of the wing is incredibly well built, good power, outstanding top end that is where the wing really shines. Flags great, light in the hands, transitions well.

What I don't like...
#1 To me, I am completely baffled that they don't have a boom. While the extended front handle allows you to fly them with one hand the gap between the front and back is exactly where I instinctually grab when coming out of a transition. After a few sessions, it still drives me nuts, especially since I have another prototype wing that had a boom and performs very similar. I plan on ordering gap handles from Wingman for both wings.

#2 The LE handle is both in the wrong place (too high on the LE) and is floppy compared to the best of what I've ridden in other brands (Ezzy wings have this nailed). If they rotated the LE handle down (like FOne and Ezzy) and stiffened it up, the performance gain when flagging would be tremendous.

If they addressed both of these things, they would have one of the very best wings on the market. With current set up, I give the wings a B+ and, at the cost and how easily these could be better, that's crazy to me.

Anyone hearing rumors about boom options for these? That alone would go a long way.

I only have the V1, keen to consider v2 eventually but for now it's doing the job for me. Main things Ozone could improve from V1 is the PVC windows that shrink and discolor, also the inflate valve system it is REALLY bad. Drives me nuts when the connector pops off when madly trying to get pump up and out on the water.

Contrary to OP, personally I like a floppy LE handle if you are trying to use the handle to overpower the wing in the roll axis by twisting it, then I would say you are doing it wrong. consider changing technique, when wave riding put the wing in the back hand and keep it low, the water surface keeps the wing level and even it flips over who cares just ride on. When you get to the end of the wave worry bout it then. Just nice n chill like Keahi:
www.instagram.com/reel/C7saDr1v2Eu/?igsh=Z2V6a2phdHU4ZGU5

Boom is not needed in the surf so I'll never consider wing with boom, I kinda think you just get used to the handle location with time. Boom vs no boom is a trade off between infinite grab location vs carrying an aluminium pole with you everywhere you go, both in the water or in the car.

Anyway, no right or wrong answer, just my Preferences are different for good or bad features of a wing

I'm making the assumption your technique comment is intended to be helpful, so more background. Ive got a lot of time on the water 99% riding surf in Hawaii over 5 years. I've ridden surf with handles for the majority of the time I've been winging and you're correct, they work just fine. Even resisted the idea of a boom, until I tried one. If I hadn't tried a boom, I'd still be very much in the same camp as you on this topic.

The technique you're describing is exactly how I ride when appropriate. It's also not the only way to manage a wing while surfing. There's also points where you can use the wing flagged higher to help stall while on a wave face. That can be particularly useful in certain conditions and the difference between a floppy versus firm handle becomes very noticeable. Separately, a boom allows for one hand powered flying if you're trying to ride sectioning breaks. I'll note, I come from decades of wave sailing both windsurfing and kiting and that likely impacts my preferences.

If you haven't tried a solid front handle, properly positioned (look at FOne and Ezzy wings), and a boom you don't know what you're missing. A firm and properly positioned handle doesn't take away from your ability to manage a wing it enhances it.

The Ozone V2 is a very good wing, based on real world experience with a variety of wings, some that got it right and some that didn't, I'm offering suggestions for how I believe it could be even better.

Yeah maybe I need to try a boom again, my only exp with a boom is with Duotone units from maybe 2 years ago those wings had too much dihedral and very unstable always wanting to flip, and now im just used to the ozone handles. Maybe that feeling tarnished my experience with a boom.

re technique I'm sure you are a ripper.

I guess the soft front handle highish on the strut with some give lets me push the wing nice and low and let it manage itself for my local conditions.

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Yeah maybe I need to try a boom again, my only exp with a boom is with Duotone units from maybe 2 years ago those wings had too much dihedral and very unstable always wanting to flip, and now im just used to the ozone handles. Maybe that feeling tarnished my experience with a boom.

Yep, those wings didn't make me want to jump on a boom either. The stuff I've ridden with booms have all been recent release and I really like them. I drive a truck so I typically put my wings away in the long gear bags and throw them in the bed (think windsurf sail bag design). With this, I'm not taking booms on and off like the older Duotones.

I wouldn't describe myself as a ripper, but I definitely have a pretty deep understanding of equipment and design.

@jfoil -> kiteboarding.com/proddetail.asp?prod=pks_threaded_boston_screw_valve_pump_adapter

Has anybody found a good position for the harness lines. I'm using the supplied Ozone harness a third of the way along the front handle (from the bottom) and at the top of the rear handle, but it doesn't feel quite settled.

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MilesH said..
Has anybody found a good position for the harness lines. I'm using the supplied Ozone harness a third of the way along the front handle (from the bottom) and at the top of the rear handle, but it doesn't feel quite settled.

Same thing on mine. I just ordered the gap bar and mono harness line from Wingman, will let you know how that works out.

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MilesH said..
Has anybody found a good position for the harness lines. I'm using the supplied Ozone harness a third of the way along the front handle (from the bottom) and at the top of the rear handle, but it doesn't feel quite settled.

Yes, harness line attached at the back of the front handle. I have the tabs no more than an inch apart, more like a mono line, works well for me. My line is 22 inch, so short. With long lines you can inadvertently stick your arm, or worse head through in transitions with wide spacing.

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moosh said..

MilesH said..
Has anybody found a good position for the harness lines. I'm using the supplied Ozone harness a third of the way along the front handle (from the bottom) and at the top of the rear handle, but it doesn't feel quite settled.

Yes, harness line attached at the back of the front handle. I have the tabs no more than an inch apart, more like a mono line, works well for me. My line is 22 inch, so short. With long lines you can inadvertently stick your arm, or worse head through in transitions with wide spacing.

this is what I was thinking with mono line for this. At that point on front handle you can easily fly with one hand, so makes sense.

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moosh said..

MilesH said..
Has anybody found a good position for the harness lines. I'm using the supplied Ozone harness a third of the way along the front handle (from the bottom) and at the top of the rear handle, but it doesn't feel quite settled.

Yes, harness line attached at the back of the front handle. I have the tabs no more than an inch apart, more like a mono line, works well for me. My line is 22 inch, so short. With long lines you can inadvertently stick your arm, or worse head through in transitions with wide spacing.

Thanks

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Oahuwaterwalker said..

moosh said..

MilesH said..
Has anybody found a good position for the harness lines. I'm using the supplied Ozone harness a third of the way along the front handle (from the bottom) and at the top of the rear handle, but it doesn't feel quite settled.

Yes, harness line attached at the back of the front handle. I have the tabs no more than an inch apart, more like a mono line, works well for me. My line is 22 inch, so short. With long lines you can inadvertently stick your arm, or worse head through in transitions with wide spacing.

this is what I was thinking with mono line for this. At that point on front handle you can easily fly with one hand, so makes sense.

I'm usually a bit of a boom fan boy, but the advantage of the Flux handles is the harness line can only move out of position in one direction, which is easily fixed, particularly if you have a mono line.

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ilboarder12 said..
@jfoil -> kiteboarding.com/proddetail.asp?prod=pks_threaded_boston_screw_valve_pump_adapter

Thanks!