In the Italian forum I have found interesting discussion about narrow boards with big rocker. They are easier to get on foil even comparing to DW boards and you do not get the nose down. For me it looks like a mix of DW and Naish Bullet boards. What do you think about this trend? Could it be the next evolution step?

Don't trust the Euros - have you seen what they ski on?!?

I got a new board recently, and it has quite a lot of rocker, and also rake.
I find it works very well when pumping the board.

If you listen to the Ken Adgate podcast with the generic foiling podcast, he also talks about the benefits with more rocker.

Can't say much about how they work but it doesn't look new to me.
Fanatic boards looked very simliar about two years ago if I remember correctly.
Naish Hover Compacts are very wide but have a pronounced two step rocker. They have been scolded for going up on the foil reluctantly but I don't agree: passive take off is not sensational but ok, for an active pumper they are absolutely fine. I don't know if this is part of the rocker thing, but they seem too be very sensitive in terms of foil and strap placement.

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BirkelandNOR150 said..
I got a new board recently, and it has quite a lot of rocker, and also rake.
I find it works very well when pumping the board.

If you listen to the Ken Adgate podcast with the generic foiling podcast, he also talks about the benefits with more rocker.

It's got plenty of nose rocker but the foil does not seem to be perpendicular with bottom of board or tail. Big nose up setup. Might be great for racing pro level but I would find that terrible for surf or free ride. Terrible.

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AnyBoard said..

BirkelandNOR150 said..
I got a new board recently, and it has quite a lot of rocker, and also rake.
I find it works very well when pumping the board.

If you listen to the Ken Adgate podcast with the generic foiling podcast, he also talks about the benefits with more rocker.

It's got plenty of nose rocker but the foil does not seem to be perpendicular with bottom of board or tail. Big nose up setup. Might be great for racing pro level but I would find that terrible for surf or free ride. Terrible.

Why would it be terrible for surf?
I have a JP 6ft 8in with rocker and Naish 7ft 1in DW board which no rocker except for a bit at the nose.
I just find when on waves FDAing it's just a bit different technique to get up on the foil.
If anything the rocker can save a stack.

Be careful with that shaper from Italy. There's a long thread in a german forum with lots of complaints.

However, tail rocker is quite important for me. I really dislike nose-down riding at speed. Dwight Fisher has a great video about the topic and I totally agree.

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warwickl said..

AnyBoard said..

BirkelandNOR150 said..
I got a new board recently, and it has quite a lot of rocker, and also rake.
I find it works very well when pumping the board.

If you listen to the Ken Adgate podcast with the generic foiling podcast, he also talks about the benefits with more rocker.

It's got plenty of nose rocker but the foil does not seem to be perpendicular with bottom of board or tail. Big nose up setup. Might be great for racing pro level but I would find that terrible for surf or free ride. Terrible.

Why would it be terrible for surf?
I have a JP 6ft 8in with rocker and Naish 7ft 1in DW board which no rocker except for a bit at the nose.
I just find when on waves FDAing it's just a bit different technique to get up on the foil.
If anything the rocker can save a stack.

It's not the rocker that's terrible its the nose up riding position. Rocker doesn't necessarily mean nose up but the picture is seriously nose up.

Hi!
I can add that I got the naish bullet and I used it few days ago with an Art Pro 1201. I know it's not really lightwind board. I am also not pretty familiar yet with it. But the diamond tail mixed with that double Rocker was incredible to get up if used the right technique. When I got power in the wing I just pushed the foil 2 times and I was up.

With the riding position being radically nose another thing to consider is where the foil is pointing when the board is on the water and the winger is trying to pump up. Down.

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AnyBoard said..
Rocker doesn't necessarily mean nose up but the picture is seriously nose up.

Tail rocker moves the nose up. A bit is necessary IMO, too much is bad.

You can always tailor to your individual needs with a mast shim. However, I feel more comfortable if it works without shimming.

Boards pump way better with lots of rocker. They do get less stable in pitch when riding on the surface.

It's shocking how bad boards with no rocker pump, once you try more rocker.

Mast shims transform a board for me, I can't stand riding with my back foot above my front at speed.
They also pump better from my experience.

Yesterday I tried Takoon Escape SW 6'8 with Sabfoil Leviathan 1150 and 3 degrees shim for the mast. The board got up more quickly, it was very nice feeling to have nose pointing straight and parallel to the water. No more nose pointing down.
There is only one drawback. The board became very unstable in roll axis and sensitive to the chop even with this big foil. Without the mast shim the board felt very stable even in big chop. Now it feels that I was standing on much narrower board. I think I will need few sessions to get used to it.

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AnyBoard said..

BirkelandNOR150 said..
I got a new board recently, and it has quite a lot of rocker, and also rake.
I find it works very well when pumping the board.

If you listen to the Ken Adgate podcast with the generic foiling podcast, he also talks about the benefits with more rocker.

It's got plenty of nose rocker but the foil does not seem to be perpendicular with bottom of board or tail. Big nose up setup. Might be great for racing pro level but I would find that terrible for surf or free ride. Terrible.

For me it was a very big improvement changing to this bord. Old board has the deck paralell to the fuselage (0 degree) and the new one has 4.6 degree.
As you mentioned, i am a bit of a racer. Like to push speed, and go hard upwind.

But in the small wind swell we have here, I also found that it turned much better. I can push much harder in turns, and make more snappy turns.
Same with heel side tacks, turning harder trough the tack.

The angle of the deck compared to the fuselage often increase if there is tail rocker. But of course, it does not have to. Also I have deep tuttle connection, and for F4 foils the mast have 2.5 deg rake.

The baseplate shimming video is great. For the "big rocker" boards, it could be extended a bit. At very low speeds, the entire length of the board is in the water - maximum water line length for minimum drag. The foil is typically mounted so that it has a few degrees angle relative to the fuselage. By putting the foil in a section with rocker, the angle is reduced when the board at low speed, which also reduces drag (that effect is probably too small to notice with a draggy wide board, but with a narrow long board, any drag increase becomes more noticeable). The nearly continuous rocker curve of the board shown in the first picture allows the nose of the board to rise higher, and the foil angle of attack to increase, for a smooth acceleration and gradually increasing lift from the foil.

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Gencion said..
Yesterday I tried Takoon Escape SW 6'8 with Sabfoil Leviathan 1150 and 3 degrees shim for the mast. The board got up more quickly, it was very nice feeling to have nose pointing straight and parallel to the water. No more nose pointing down.
There is only one drawback. The board became very unstable in roll axis and sensitive to the chop even with this big foil. Without the mast shim the board felt very stable even in big chop. Now it feels that I was standing on much narrower board. I think I will need few sessions to get used to it.

I felt the same when using 2.5 degrees. I settled at 2 degrees as the sweet spot for me.

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NikOnFoil said..
Be careful with that shaper from Italy. There's a long thread in a german forum with lots of complaints.

However, tail rocker is quite important for me. I really dislike nose-down riding at speed. Dwight Fisher has a great video about the topic and I totally agree.

Hi
Can you give link please

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