Other new goodies:

Interesting, first foil I've seen marketed only at wind/wing foiling:

Wow.. wow.. wow.. Their foils look amazing with the new gloss carbon fiber finish.. Love the look of the new Hovers in white.. Do I have dribble going down my chin..

Thanks.
Board color change?
940 seems good, I'm using the 600 mostly for windfoil.

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DavidJohn
. Do I have dribble going down my chin..

too much information .....

I wonder if it's the same board line with new colors.

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LeeD said..
I wonder if it's the same board line with new colors.

They detail some changes in the video. Extra foot strap options. Foil boxes have been moved back to accommodate different foil brands.

Has the mast position on the foils been moved back as well?

Naish makes 2 different positions from mast to front wing.
One is the normal "surf-wing" position, with very little gap between the mast and the front wing.
The other is the windsurf edition, where the front wing is moved about 4 inches forward of the foil mast.
You have to know which setup you are using.

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LeeD said..
Thanks.
Board color change?
940 seems good, I'm using the 600 mostly for windfoil.

Hey Lee, The 914 is the most amazing foil I have ever used. By far my favourite when the conditions are over 15kn. It is difficult to explain how good this foil is as it sound s like I am making it up. But it actually pumps really well for its size. Incredibly slick and fast. Way more stable than you'd imagine. I've cracked some decent speeds on it around 44kmh in open water with full control, then in the same conditions carved some of the best turns on waves. I have also surfed the foil on my prone foilboard, and managed to do a few 2-4-1's which was very surprising.

Not a Foil for the beginner, but if you'r efficient and want a foil that you can just keep on pushing, this foil is off the chart.

www.naishfoils.com/product/wind-wing-ha-914-foil-complete/



Ride safe,

JB

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LeeD said..
I wonder if it's the same board line with new colors.

Hey again Lee,

Quite a bit more than just new colours. Outline, Volume distribution, Footstrap placement, track position, kick tail, are just some of the refinements in the S26 Hover Wing/SUP line. More aggressive in the smaller models, the noses have been pulled in, tracks moved back along with the kick tail. Another 2 footstrap holes have been added as well as the stance being widened towards the front. Volume has been tweaked on each size to aid in submerged takeoffs to provide a more stable platform and easier balance.

All this plus a hot new look.

Hope you love 'em.

Ride safe,

JB

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LeeD said..
Naish makes 2 different positions from mast to front wing.
One is the normal "surf-wing" position, with very little gap between the mast and the front wing.
The other is the windsurf edition, where the front wing is moved about 4 inches forward of the foil mast.
You have to know which setup you are using.

Yes, the WS fuselage positions the Front wing further forward for the same mast position. This is essential for a more aft mounted mast like on a Sailboard. Surfing we generally mount our foils further forward and usually perform more intensive manoeuvres where a closer position to the mast is more controllable and easier to trim as the power/pressure changes radically during the turn(s). Both can work for either, but ultimately the Windsurf Fuselage is only really used on Sailboard/Foilboards with far aft mounts.

Ride safe,

JB

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ap73 said..
Has the mast position on the foils been moved back as well?

It can look this way with the higher aspect Foils. Some of ones used in the video are the JET HA 1040 which is AR 7.9 and the Wind/Wing HA 914 which is AR 8.4. The higher aspect greatness the gap between the trailing edge and the mast.

Here is the 914 from the side vs the Jet 2000. Same fuseslage.






Ride safe,

JB

Thanks JB, that makes sense

Hi JB...
I wonder if you have tried the old kitewing 600 for windfoil.
I know 6 guys who currently use Naish for windfoil, and none have.
For me, with 5.2 sail, the 600 gets up easily in 13 knots, is slippery and smooth, but only maybe 2mph faster than the old 1220.

Looking much closer to the Moses product with the finish and carbon mast option but without the need for different fuselage to use the full range. I see Moses now has 4 fuselage options depending on discipline and wing size.
Nice you can start with a relatively cheap foil and upgrade it as you progress like Axis, but with a lighter alloy mast to begin with.
Just upgraded to the 1240HA and 280 stab, great set up. 20% faster than my old wings with better upwind angles with great gliding turns. It pops up really early as it's low drag accelerates to flying speed quickly. It has a 20 mm thickness next to the fuselage attachment on the front wing.

What was your "old" setup.
I still use the 1220 in 5-14 breezes, and 600 in anything over 10.

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LeeD said..
What was your "old" setup.
I still use the 1220 in 5-14 breezes, and 600 in anything over 10.

It is a copy of the Axis 1050 HPS mated with the Moses 483 stab, bit of a Frankenstein but worked well, just not as well as the 1240 HA. It's hard to get the stiffness into a home build going as thin as 20mm with a metre wingspan.

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LeeD said..
Hi JB...
I wonder if you have tried the old kitewing 600 for windfoil.
I know 6 guys who currently use Naish for windfoil, and none have.
For me, with 5.2 sail, the 600 gets up easily in 13 knots, is slippery and smooth, but only maybe 2mph faster than the old 1220.

Hey Lee,

No I haven't gone that small yet. I really love the 810, that's what I have been the fastest on so far. But the only trick is getting up. On the Wing vs Sail is the hull speed prior to launch. But yes I much try it. No doubt it would be faster, but the stability weigh off may be decider with someone like me on it (90kg).

But this said, the 914 can get up easily in 13kn, probably 10kn and it weapon fast and stable. I have clocked 44.9kmh on it so far and this was in open ocean and in 15odd kn of wind.

The original WS1 and the new 1150 Windsurf foils are super slick, and very fast for their size. But the are also hard to pump and therefore harder to get up on a Wing than a Sail. On a sail the 1150 is super easy to get up in crazy light winds, but Winging, I only use it when it is no lighter than 15kn (lulls). Once up it is amazing, especially on waves and big swells.

The best part about all these foils, is they all are amazing in specific conditions or are awesome all rounders. Mix these in with the new HA 1040 and 2140 and you have every conditions covered. You just have to learn when to use each one.

Regards,

JB

Guess I gotta go into a dealership to measure wing thickness.
While the 600 is faster than the 1220, it might be only 2 knots faster.
13 knots, 5.2 and little pumping to fly the 600.
I'm 75 kg.

Hi JB,
could you give us some feedback of the 914 vs the 1040 ? Not just for winging, but also for windfoil. The 914 has virtually disappeared from sale, will we get stock again in OZ sometimes?
thanks

I have both the 914 and the 1040 HA wings. I'm 80 kgs and the 1040HA is now my primary wing for swell riding up here on Moreton Bay, Brisbane. I use it for winging, fitted to a 80cm fuselage and 85cm C36 composite mast.


The 1040 is really predictable and smooth on the swell lines, it pumps well and easily keeps up with the fast moving swell. It is one of the fastest foils at out local and gets me going on a 5.5mtr wing in about 12 knots.


The 914HA is a race machine, it's very stable at speed, almost like riding on rails. It's not as happy with quick changes of direction like the 1040HA, not as predictable, possibly due to the really fine tips. When there is no swell about I bolt this on, again on the 80cm fuselage. It's fast, big carving gybes and no one keeps up with you. The tips are sharp and I'm not keen on practicing new moves when this thing is fitted. The 914 needs more speed to get going than the 1040.

I haven't used either on a windfoil, but the 914 is being used for that at out local. I have tried both for kitefoil, the 914 works, the 1040 doesn't.


If I was flat water only, 914 but for swell, 1040, both fitted to the 80cm fuselage.

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Hi JB,
could you give us some feedback of the 914 vs the 1040 ? Not just for winging, but also for windfoil. The 914 has virtually disappeared from sale, will we get stock again in OZ sometimes?
thanks

Hey Powersloshin,

There is actually a fair amount of difference between the two (aside from 126cm2 ).

The 1040HA has a lower stall speed and more aggressive lift and is easier to pump. The 914 has a way more controllable top speed, it does not go super front foot even as it gets over 40kmh. It has a really slippery feel and loves going fast. It will actually pump quite well as long as you do not go near its stall speed. Once it gets too close, you're toast whereas the 1040HA will give you some warning and allow you to do a couple of power pumps to get things going again.

I have prone foiled the 914, and it blew my mind when I ket fast, but at my weight I do not really surf it. I imagine on a maxing day, it would be an excellent choice as it manages speed so well.

The 1040HA I like to go to if there is plenty of power, but I need the pump. It is super efficient, especially when I add in a 2 degree shim in the 220HA rear. But as you max it out, you will get front foot.

In choosing between the two I'd say in order think,
1. Stall speed. For my 90+kg. 914 is around 16kmh and the 1040 is around 14kmh. Might seem small, but it is a decent difference.
2. Pump requirement. If there's plenty of power and I am only using the pump to over take, the 914 will kill it, but if I need the pump to fill the gap between energy or pump back out, the 1040 is probably the better option.
3. Need for aggressive angle changes. The 1040 will "SURF" better, it can handle more aggressive AoA changes and recovers quick from tip breeches. The 914 is amazing until you push it too far (which is still quite far), then you can simply flat drop if you're underpowered or if you slowed the flow too much.

As for stock,
The 914 is in stock now. So call your local dealer. there is only 3 left in my warehouse as of right now.
The 1040 is currently out of my stock until April. But some dealers may have them on their shelves.

In an ideal quiver you'd have both. Strongly suggest playing with the rear wing shims on the 1040HA/220HA. I like the 914 with the 280HA rear unshimmed.

I hope this helps,

Ride safe,

JB

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airsail said..
I have both the 914 and the 1040 HA wings. I'm 80 kgs and the 1040HA is now my primary wing for swell riding up here on Moreton Bay, Brisbane. I use it for winging, fitted to a 80cm fuselage and 85cm C36 composite mast.


The 1040 is really predictable and smooth on the swell lines, it pumps well and easily keeps up with the fast moving swell. It is one of the fastest foils at out local and gets me going on a 5.5mtr wing in about 12 knots.


The 914HA is a race machine, it's very stable at speed, almost like riding on rails. It's not as happy with quick changes of direction like the 1040HA, not as predictable, possibly due to the really fine tips. When there is no swell about I bolt this on, again on the 80cm fuselage. It's fast, big carving gybes and no one keeps up with you. The tips are sharp and I'm not keen on practicing new moves when this thing is fitted. The 914 needs more speed to get going than the 1040.

I haven't used either on a windfoil, but the 914 is being used for that at out local. I have tried both for kitefoil, the 914 works, the 1040 doesn't.


If I was flat water only, 914 but for swell, 1040, both fitted to the 80cm fuselage.

Pretty spot on review! Should have read this before typing my giant reply . Yes, if you are racing the 914 is a weapon, nothing beats that thing upwind.

Ride safe,

JB

Guys, what size stabs on which fuze.

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LeeD said..
Guys, what size stabs on which fuze.

Pretty sure it's the HA220 stabilizer and the standard 64cm fuselage.

Thanx, maybe I get to use my 210 stab with 1150/600 windfoil and 64 fuze wing 1150 and 210.

I'm on the 1040HA and 280 stab, fitted to the 80cm fuselage. Swell riding mainly but some flat water. Im 80 kgs on a 75 ltr board, tried many combinations but like this one best. The 280 pumps better than the 220.

I'm a big fan of the 80cm fuselage for the 1040HA and 914HA. These small wings are very pitch sensitive on shorter fuselages but put them on the 80cm and they are rock solid, easy gliding gybes, tacks and foot switch is too easy. The foil cranks back upwind and nice and stable on the swell face.

The 80cm Fuse will smooth out any wing, but yes most noticeable on the smaller HA's. I personally ride the 1040HA on the 64cm fuse and 220HA rear but I like to shim it 2 degrees which totally changed the pitchiness of the foil.

The 914HA loves the 80cm fuse, it also gets it well forward for extra lifting power.

I prefer the 914 with the 280 rear but no shim. The 220 is a little too small for my weight and how I ride at speed.

It is also not hard to add another rear wing hole in the 80cm fuse to give you an option of a 76cm fuse (roughly).

I guess the best part of all of it is, you can just go out and try every combination. see what works best for your stance, weight, power and conditions. I strongly suggest getting some shims and playing with them. I downloaded the ones of KD Foils site and had them printed up as well as a mate mate be up some bigger ones too. In general, as slower speeds you are better to have a larger rear wing with no shim than smaller one with shim. TO try achieve lessor drag at higher speeds it can be advantageous to use a smaller Rear with shim. But again, this will differ between riders. I have ridden the last 3 days in a row in very similar conditions on my 1240HA. First 2 session I used the 310HA rear with no shim, had heaps of pump power and good speeds (max day 1 = 32.1kmh and max speed day 2 = 33.1kmh) then This morning I rode the 1240HA with the 220HA and a 2 degree shim (max speed 33.3kmh). Considering the difference in size and drag of these rears, I was expecting the speed difference to be much higher (or even applicable). The 220 was a lot twitchier, and I had more pump power on the 310, but the 220 was super fast to respond. As I check through all of the waves ridden on all 3 days, they are all so very similar, but if anything I would say the speeds in general are higher on my larger rear (310). At the end of the day, again, try everything you can, see what feels good to you. I am heavier and therefore will make a bigger foil go faster, I generally do not get over powered often.

Adding the longer fuse will give more leverage to the rear wing, and possibly riding the 220 with no shim may be fun on the 80cm fuse, but it will also add leverage to the front wing also but the same proportions.

Anyway, stoked you guys are trying the HA's in lots of different settings, you really can customize them a lot very easily.

If you're after the shim file to 3D print out - drive.google.com/drive/folders/1x1AA6eGohYQb9ZBhAxPsAh-dW2yK9p-w?usp=sharing

Ride safe,

JB