Thinking of going smaller for sup and ding from 6'7" 125L sky sup to s26 hover 110.
Budget 1500 Aus.
Are the Naish tracks flat, fanatic tail rocker doesn't suit Armstrong foil.

This is last years Naish Hover 95ltr, a tiny bit of rocker right near the front of the tracks. This is about 0.4 mm so I doubt it would effect the installation of any foil type. Probably worth running a straight edge across the current model.

I run Armstrong foils on my Naish 110 & Naish 85 Hover & seem to be OK. The HA wing is defiantly right at the front of the tracks, but the other foils are slightly back. I also use the 110 as a SUP foil - then the mast sits around the middle of the tracks.

I also had s25 hover 110 and winged with armstrong foils, 2400 - 1200, 1850, 1550v2, thought it was great board rode level with armstrong maybe 2cm from back, only a .5 kg more than armstrong fg 88l. It held up well. Never rode HA on it.

I'm using Armstrong HS1850 on an S26 95L Naish Hover. Only 4 sessions in but all seems good.

I'm a beginner using the Armstrong 2400 on a Naish S26 125l and haven't had any issues. I'm currently running the 2400 foil close to the back. Don't have a straight edge to check it but several good shops in the US all said it was a solid combo before i bought.

Thanks breezers, thinking the S 26 110 is my next board. Have a well used fanatic sky sup 6'7", water tight, a few scuffs for $800. Delivery king's cliff to Port Macquarie for a slab of quality beer or a bottle of Krackan or Turkey.
Aloha oi

Hey Paul
I have a mate starting winging might be interested in your 6'7" Sky Sup!Locally Will call you.

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spartacus said..
I run Armstrong foils on my Naish 110 & Naish 85 Hover & seem to be OK. The HA wing is defiantly right at the front of the tracks, but the other foils are slightly back. I also use the 110 as a SUP foil - then the mast sits around the middle of the tracks.

Same here, Armstrong all the way forward which is annoying all maxed out. But a common armstrong issue with every not amstrong board (got a sunova same issue all the way forward and hardly enough front foot pressure).

worked well on my sabfoil.

If you ride fanatic with Armstrong ,a 7 mm mast plate wedge will fix the problem

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kobo said..
If you ride fanatic with Armstrong ,a 7 mm mast plate wedge will fix the problem

Hey Nigel,
You were really riding that 1125 very well. I guess you had to get some long bolts for the back of the shim. Seeing as how I want a smaller board anyway, I thought I would switch to a brand where a shimming is not required.
Cheers,
Paul

In two sessions on S16 Naish 110 and the Armstrong plate for HS1550 V2 has been best about half way. If I move mast forward where others say Armstrong should be both feet are further forward on the board than with Naish 2000 foil which felt perfect with Naish mast in middle and get over footstrap plugs. However, on both Armstrong sessions I was very well powered so wonder if my feet forward and mast track middle experience was because of too much lift. Do you move feet a lot as wind strength changes?
I am 86kg (190lbs) dry, and speed was only 10-12 knots as otherwise feet would have to be even more forward

"Do you move feet a lot as wind strength changes?"

I'm no expert but I don't change my feet position in different wind strengths.

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kobo said..
If you ride fanatic with Armstrong ,a 7 mm mast plate wedge will fix the problem

Hey Nigel,
You were really riding that 1125 very well. I guess you had to get some long bolts for the back of the shim. Seeing as how I want a smaller board anyway, I thought I would switch to a brand where a shimming is not required.
Cheers,
Paul

Thanks Paul,
I have an Armstrong 4'5 board now so no more wedges or longer bolts needed. The 1125 is a great wing ,just need to put a little time in to get it dialed right then all good.
I will be chasing a new SUP for the same reasons at some point too.

Hey mate, the Naish S26 110 L is great on ding and surprisingly doable as a sup foil for me at 95 Kg, a bit more of a challenge than the 6'7" fanatic to paddle into waves but way better once foiling.
Out of water had a bcc cut out of my ear yesterday and flood water in Yamba is gross.

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goggo said..
Hey mate, the Naish S26 110 L is great on ding and surprisingly doable as a sup foil for me at 95 Kg, a bit more of a challenge than the 6'7" fanatic to paddle into waves but way better once foiling.
Out of water had a bcc cut out of my ear yesterday and flood water in Yamba is gross.

Thanks mate, might keep an eye out for one of those s26 then, and yep water is crap down here too and I'm out with corona atm !

I'm on the s26 125l. Using the Armstrong 2400 for the last year and 1550v2 the last 3 sessions. I started 2/3rds back and have since moved to slightly forward of middle. I can't see running out of room, and haven't come across anyone else using Naish and Arm foils that has an issue. (a shop i buy from sells both and recommended the setup because they know it works)

I've had S25 125 and 110 L and a S26 96 L Hover. The first two I used Naish foils and with the 95 L, only Armstrong: 1850, 1550 V2 and V1 and 1250.

I never felt great on the Armie gear and the 95 L Hover. The mast slammed all the way forward in the tracks, but I didn't change the position of the screws to give me that last extra centimeter or so of forward position. I also did not shim the stab. I had to pump to maintain my elevation on foil and even if I moved my weight fore or aft, I never found that sweet spot and pumping was not very efficient.

I just moved to an Amos 90 L board using the Armie foils and all of a sudden the whole rig is alive, light and responsive. Pumping is vastly more efficient and the board glides effortlessly compared to the Armie gear's position on the Naish. Elevation on foil is maintained and not even a thought to consider.

It's like night and day compared to the same foil rig on the Naish.

In retrospect, I should have switched the position of the front screws to absololuteluy max out fore position of the foil or used a shim. But I didn't know better. I wonder how many others are in the same position? They simply don't know how the Armie gear is mean to feel when in the right position on the board? I'm surprised to read here how many are OK with their Armie gear even in the middle of the tracks. Possibly also related to the type of Armie foil (HS vs HA vs CF).

So my answer to the OP (goggo) or anyone else who is considering Armie foil rig on Naish S26 is to test other foils first before making that decision. I personally would not recommend that combo.

I had an HS1250 that felt really bad on my Naish S25 85l.
It was my first 1200 sized foil, i did not really have an understanding of what moving the foil,shimming baseplate etc...could do.

The S25 has a bit of rocker in the foilbox.I think mastplate shimming would have changed things a lot.

I do not know if the S26 has rocker or flat, they did move the boxes forward quite a bit.

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ArthurAlston said..
I've had S25 125 and 110 L and a S26 96 L Hover. The first two I used Naish foils and with the 95 L, only Armstrong: 1850, 1550 V2 and V1 and 1250.

I never felt great on the Armie gear and the 95 L Hover. The mast slammed all the way forward in the tracks, but I didn't change the position of the screws to give me that last extra centimeter or so of forward position. I also did not shim the stab. I had to pump to maintain my elevation on foil and even if I moved my weight fore or aft, I never found that sweet spot and pumping was not very efficient.

I just moved to an Amos 90 L board using the Armie foils and all of a sudden the whole rig is alive, light and responsive. Pumping is vastly more efficient and the board glides effortlessly compared to the Armie gear's position on the Naish. Elevation on foil is maintained and not even a thought to consider.

It's like night and day compared to the same foil rig on the Naish.

In retrospect, I should have switched the position of the front screws to absololuteluy max out fore position of the foil or used a shim. But I didn't know better. I wonder how many others are in the same position? They simply don't know how the Armie gear is mean to feel when in the right position on the board? I'm surprised to read here how many are OK with their Armie gear even in the middle of the tracks. Possibly also related to the type of Armie foil (HS vs HA vs CF).

So my answer to the OP (goggo) or anyone else who is considering Armie foil rig on Naish S26 is to test other foils first before making that decision. I personally would not recommend that combo.

Interesting comments. So many variables, S 25 , S 26, body weight, conditions. Been riding 5'3" V1 Gong Hipe in Hawaii on same foil as S 26 at home, once on foil all good, touch downs not so much. Swings and round abouts, I tend to ride what I have access to, at a reasonable price. Mostly ride second heaven.

Aloha

S26 (my 125l) is basically flat across the whole tracks. (Such a slight curve it flattens out if i press on the straight edge) Much flatter than the s25 photo posted above.

It's all about the tracks (or tail section of the board) being parallel to the deck of the board...the tracks themselves should be flat regardless.

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kobo said..
It's all about the tracks (or tail section of the board) being parallel to the deck of the board...the tracks themselves should be flat regardless.

...and what foil you use relative to the position of the tracks and the board

Yes for sure

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mcrt said. I do not know if the S26 has rocker or flat, they did move the boxes forward quite a bit.

Checked that out and S26 110l is flat rockered through boxes

No wind but sunny so just measured my Naish S26 2000 Jet and Armstrong HS1550, and looks like to get Centres of Lift from front foil in same positions relative to the Naish 110 S26 board the front screw holes on the Armstrong mast plate need to be 1 to 1.5cm behind where the Naish mast plate would be.

After a few test runs yesterday the Naish Hover 110l is perfect with Armstrong HS1850 and HS1550V2 near the front of the mast track. Nice board, nice foils!
PS: Fanatic boards are not suitable, track too much back / too short in front!

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A quick update on my S 26 110 L. This would be my perfect one board quiver if I was 20 years younger.

Perfect for winging but just a tad too small for sup (95 Kg, 56 years). Had a long paddle across the river to surf a spot, after foiling for about an hour the paddle back was exhausting.

Also chipping in I can't paddle at max force, I think fore/aft stability is my issue.


I have the cheaper construction and the grip is a little slippery, been thinking of waxing pad, otherwise all good on Armstrong HS gear.

After a few more sessions I moved the mast more in the middle of the box of the Naish S26 110l, because of too much front foot pressure. The Armstrong HS 1850 is a dream!