Got out on the Naish Mach 1 1100 yesterday in about 16-18 knots of wind on my 4 mtr wing. I'm 78kgs on a 76ltr board, normally on the HA1040 in all conditions. The wing is mounted on the S27 85cm 100% carbon mast with the 280 stab.

First thing you notice is the weight of the Mach 1, heavy and solid like the HA914. I own the 914 as well but find it is a bit twitchy for swell riding, not so with the Mach 1. The Mach 1 is very stiff, much more than the HA1040 making it a very stable and solid ride. You can throw it into turns with total confidence, banking over really hard and pushing the limit.

I never noticed the extra weight of the wing on the water but has the advantage of helping sink the foil so the wind has less chance of flipping the board and tomahawking your wing.It was quite bumpy out there so I couldn't test the upper speed range, managed 17 knots easily, rock solid blasting through the swell lines upwind.

At my weight the Mach 1 1100 is too large and I had a few breaches and subsequent face plants on the swell face. The Mach 1 900 would probably be a better fit for stronger wind winging though if I was only flat water I would probably choose the 1100.

I ride the 1040HA 75% of the time, I'll be curious to see how you compare the 1100 in lift and speed vs the 1040. I'm on the preorder here stateside. Sounds like it's an even better carver in waves from your post due to the stiffness.

Purchased the Mach 1 900, very impressed. I've had several sessions on the Mach 1 and today I hopped back on the HA1040. You definitely notice the flex in the 1040, it's still a good wing but the Mach 1 is definitely a step up in performance.
The 1040 just doesn't feel as solid underfoot, so you don't carve really hard into turns or push the speed limits. Higher speeds means more apparent wind so you can feel overpowered heading upwind, I've now added a harness hook for the upwind.

Low end seems similar, just pump as usual, keeping the board on the surface until you build enough speed otherwise it lifts early and stalls.

Glide is great, pumps well with the 220 stab. The rigid feel is very confidence building when at higher speeds going down swell faces. A higher aspect wing would probably have better glide but at the expense of hard carving.

So after today the 1040 will gather dust, I see no advantage over the Mach 1.

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airsail said..
Got out on the Naish Mach 1 1100 yesterday in about 16-18 knots of wind on my 4 mtr wing. I'm 78kgs on a 76ltr board, normally on the HA1040 in all conditions. The wing is mounted on the S27 85cm 100% carbon mast with the 280 stab.

First thing you notice is the weight of the Mach 1, heavy and solid like the HA914. I own the 914 as well but find it is a bit twitchy for swell riding, not so with the Mach 1. The Mach 1 is very stiff, much more than the HA1040 making it a very stable and solid ride. You can throw it into turns with total confidence, banking over really hard and pushing the limit.

I never noticed the extra weight of the wing on the water but has the advantage of helping sink the foil so the wind has less chance of flipping the board and tomahawking your wing.It was quite bumpy out there so I couldn't test the upper speed range, managed 17 knots easily, rock solid blasting through the swell lines upwind.

At my weight the Mach 1 1100 is too large and I had a few breaches and subsequent face plants on the swell face. The Mach 1 900 would probably be a better fit for stronger wind winging though if I was only flat water I would probably choose the 1100.

Naish sell the 1100 with the 220 stabiliser. Did you run it with the 280 as a preference? Have you tried it with the 220?

The 1100 is owned by a mate, so I only had a short session on it. I had been running the 280 with the 1040 so left it fitted. The 1100 was definitely too large for my weight and I could easily ride the 700 in powered conditions.
JB from Naish Australia suggested I have the 1100 for light conditions and the 700 for strong but I'm not one for changing wings to suit conditions and like to stick to one wing when dialed in.

I will be using the Foil Drive to assist getting going in sub 10 knot conditions as my largest wing is a 5 mtr.

The Mach 1 speeds are just slightly higher than the 1040, but it was onshore and lumpy so had to navigate the swells. I did push the Mach 1 once when I found a smoother section, should easily hit 20 knots on the flat. Winging isn't about speed but fun overtaking windfoilers.

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airsail said..

I will be using the Foil Drive to assist getting going in sub 10 knot conditions as my largest wing is a 5 mtr.

I've been thinking the same as a fellow FD owner (in place of buying a larger wing). I am slightly concerned it will mean re-learning balance points during gybes etc due to the extra weight on the board. Have you found any issues using it? Do you place it at the rear of the board like you do sup foiling?

FD works best for winging on a board at, or slightly over your body weight. I'm 80kgs and use it on a 74ltr board, getting going can be a balance act as the battery box must be out of the water to get contact with the controller. On a 90ltr board, zero issues. Mounting the battery box forward would work better but my cable isn't long enough, you need 2mtrs, mine is 1200mm.

As for gybing, it's not the weight that is the issue, but the lack of wind coming out of the gybe, you really need to keep your momentum up when gybing the wing, otherwise you slow, and there just isn't enough wind to pump and keep going so you need to drop off the foil to get the motor back in the water. Then if my battery box goes under it's all over and I restart, hence a slightly larger board for those really light days.
It is possible to mount the battery box higher, on a foam block. Something to experiment with in the future.

But is extremely fun going back and forth in 8 knots or less of wind, pisses the others on the beach off as they just can't get going. Best is a dedicated foil for FD, easy to swap foils if the wind picks up. The biggest wing I use is a 5mtr. I have both the standard and plus models but for winging the standard is all that is needed.

Thanks airsail :) I have a big 1800 HA wing which should hopefully be useful to keep the glide during gybes.

Looks like we have a week of light winds coming up so will give it a try!

The 220 stabilizer is a must, ran the Naish Mach 1 with both the 280 and the 220 and the foil doesn't really open up its carving and top speed with the 280. Don't even bother upgrading to the mach 1 without the 220 stablizer.

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airsail said..
Got out on the Naish Mach 1 1100 yesterday in about 16-18 knots of wind on my 4 mtr wing. I'm 78kgs on a 76ltr board, normally on the HA1040 in all conditions. The wing is mounted on the S27 85cm 100% carbon mast with the 280 stab.

First thing you notice is the weight of the Mach 1, heavy and solid like the HA914. I own the 914 as well but find it is a bit twitchy for swell riding, not so with the Mach 1. The Mach 1 is very stiff, much more than the HA1040 making it a very stable and solid ride. You can throw it into turns with total confidence, banking over really hard and pushing the limit.

I never noticed the extra weight of the wing on the water but has the advantage of helping sink the foil so the wind has less chance of flipping the board and tomahawking your wing.It was quite bumpy out there so I couldn't test the upper speed range, managed 17 knots easily, rock solid blasting through the swell lines upwind.

At my weight the Mach 1 1100 is too large and I had a few breaches and subsequent face plants on the swell face. The Mach 1 900 would probably be a better fit for stronger wind winging though if I was only flat water I would probably choose the 1100.

Naish sell the 1100 with the 220 stabiliser. Did you run it with the 280 as a preference? Have you tried it with the 220?

The 220 is a must, you won't get the top speed or carving without it. Tried both the 280/220.

I back to back tested the HA914 and Mach 1 900. Not much between them, I think the 914 has better glide but the Mach 1 turns better. But those super sharp tips on the 914 make me nervous so I'll be sticking with the Mach 1.

Do you thing the Mach1 1100 will be fine to do some air tricks like 360s or the wingspan is too big? Cause the wingspan is 89 CM and I'm afraid to broke it on landing. Maybe I should go with the 900 with wingspan of 80 cm...

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ethernalkid said..
Do you thing the Mach1 1100 will be fine to do some air tricks like 360s or the wingspan is too big? Cause the wingspan is 89 CM and I'm afraid to broke it on landing. Maybe I should go with the 900 with wingspan of 80 cm...

Unless your heavyweight I'd go with the 900. At 80kgs, I use the 900 in all conditions.

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ethernalkid said..
Do you thing the Mach1 1100 will be fine to do some air tricks like 360s or the wingspan is too big? Cause the wingspan is 89 CM and I'm afraid to broke it on landing. Maybe I should go with the 900 with wingspan of 80 cm...

i am 86kg and the MAch1 1100 is my Superallrounder : decent low end and already used many times in 30knts+.
low stall speed, turny and speed is ok. You don't have to worry about jumping.......This is probably the strongest Wing i have ridden (it is heavy-duty). It is still soft with bad landings.

Has anyone found a really thin custom rear stab to run with Naish? I'm looking at something like what axis produce (don't know the model sorry) that is thinner than the ha220 stab naish has. Other brands seem to have a lot smaller rear wing options to go down to.

I'd like to find something that really maximises glide on chop when flagged out. So i want to minimise drag on the mach 1 1100 as that seems like naishs best glide front wing? I've got a carbon s27 mast. Not sure if I should be trying the 914 to do this as I want to find a front wing with highest aspect, but a long chord for glide.

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whitewind said..
Has anyone found a really thin custom rear stab to run with Naish? I'm looking at something like what axis produce (don't know the model sorry) that is thinner than the ha220 stab naish has. Other brands seem to have a lot smaller rear wing options to go down to.

I'd like to find something that really maximises glide on chop when flagged out. So i want to minimise drag on the mach 1 1100 as that seems like naishs best glide front wing? I've got a carbon s27 mast. Not sure if I should be trying the 914 to do this as I want to find a front wing with highest aspect, but a long chord for glide.

There is a new range of Naish HA wings coming out, I'm guessing they might include new stabs too. I've seen one picture of the HA1040, looks absolutely awesome.

Excellent! Any links to info? I'm hoping the high aspect match some of the aspect ratios of other brands to widen options. The high aspect naish range currently seems more like medium aspect. I'm hoping finding a really low drag rear wing might give the glide benefits I'm after but maybe a front wing over 10Aspect ratio with a nice long chord could be a good option too