Link to short review below.

Bottom line -- smaller brother to the 1100. Better speed, upwind, pumping and glide than the 790 but less maneuverable.

www.wingsurfmag.it/en/sabfoil-moses-w950-preview-2/?fbclid=IwAR3S_Rfv2ZHHROm25fcMietQoAwkz4iDdtsrE_junC2N1xRMksJPl8a2wdE

Looks like a sweet wing. My problem here is the mast to fuse design when using carbon. This male to female setup will crack when jumping larger wings like this. 100% you will crack this mast at the area that inserts into the fuse. It's just not designed to withstand the forces experienced by the foil when jumping on a larger wing and goes for any manufacturers using this type of design.

So just reinforce the suspect area.

I met a guy he broke 3 fuses with the 1100 wing.
I think it is the wing to fuse connection that is the weakest point. It is not wide enough for big wings.
Never had a problem myself with the 1100 and my 100kg but I don't jump and don't carve hard

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Frankieboy said..
I met a guy he broke 3 fuses with the 1100 wing.
I think it is the wing to fuse connection that is the weakest point. It is not wide enough for big wings.
Never had a problem myself with the 1100 and my 100kg but I don't jump and don't carve hard

Can you describe how it breaks? The fuse is aluminum, do the bolts snap or does the fuse bend? What kind of damage does the wing take?

Don't know exactly, he said he broke the fuzes and switched to Axis for this reason

www.mackiteboarding.com/sabfoil-m82-w950-s483-foil-set/

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foilthegreats said..
Looks like a sweet wing. My problem here is the mast to fuse design when using carbon. This male to female setup will crack when jumping larger wings like this. 100% you will crack this mast at the area that inserts into the fuse. It's just not designed to withstand the forces experienced by the foil when jumping on a larger wing and goes for any manufacturers using this type of design.

Balz Mueller aka Radiculo is jumping crazy stuf and not break them..... and he uses W1100 sometimes

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marco said..

foilthegreats said..
Looks like a sweet wing. My problem here is the mast to fuse design when using carbon. This male to female setup will crack when jumping larger wings like this. 100% you will crack this mast at the area that inserts into the fuse. It's just not designed to withstand the forces experienced by the foil when jumping on a larger wing and goes for any manufacturers using this type of design.

Balz Mueller aka Radiculo is jumping crazy stuf and not break them..... and he uses W1100 sometimes

Ya, he is sponsored by them. I can guarantee he breaks them.

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marco said..

foilthegreats said..
Looks like a sweet wing. My problem here is the mast to fuse design when using carbon. This male to female setup will crack when jumping larger wings like this. 100% you will crack this mast at the area that inserts into the fuse. It's just not designed to withstand the forces experienced by the foil when jumping on a larger wing and goes for any manufacturers using this type of design.

Balz Mueller aka Radiculo is jumping crazy stuf and not break them..... and he uses W1100 sometimes

Team riders don't usually advertise the downside of the products they represent.

I wonder how they are with warranty on this issue. If my Gofoil disappeared tomorrow, I'd be very tempted to go Moses.

Then there is this

And these

Review coming up -- Feb. 16/21.

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dejavu said..
Review coming up -- Feb. 16/21.

Fantastic, I really enjoyed that.

Here's an updated link:

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foilthegreats said..
Looks like a sweet wing. My problem here is the mast to fuse design when using carbon. This male to female setup will crack when jumping larger wings like this. 100% you will crack this mast at the area that inserts into the fuse. It's just not designed to withstand the forces experienced by the foil when jumping on a larger wing and goes for any manufacturers using this type of design.

Can you recommend brands that don't have this design flaw?

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LeeD said..
So just reinforce the suspect area.

I would fully agree with this if this was a budget, cheap option but it is a premium priced foil. It should not need shoddy home modifications to be fit for use.
if I had much hair , I would be pulling it out with frustration at how many of these foils are nearly great but with one glaring error.

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MasFoil said..

foilthegreats said..
Looks like a sweet wing. My problem here is the mast to fuse design when using carbon. This male to female setup will crack when jumping larger wings like this. 100% you will crack this mast at the area that inserts into the fuse. It's just not designed to withstand the forces experienced by the foil when jumping on a larger wing and goes for any manufacturers using this type of design.

Can you recommend brands that don't have this design flaw?

I'm currently riding Armstrong and it has performed well, haven't broken anything yet. I also like the GoFoil design, its probably the most robust carbon design. If going aluminum the Axis looks tough. 90% of the time most foils are fine, it's just when doing big jumps and landing a little flat the wing will flex. This I believe will break every foil over time as its an extreme amount of stress.

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I'm currently riding Armstrong and it has performed well, haven't broken anything yet. I also like the GoFoil design, its probably the most robust carbon design. If going aluminum the Axis looks tough. 90% of the time most foils are fine, it's just when doing big jumps and landing a little flat the wing will flex. This I believe will break every foil over time as its an extreme amount of stress.

Moses/SAB have been making foils since 2008. Surely they know a thing or 2 about design and I would hope that they'd have a few qualified people in their staff.

Armstrong is a Chinese foil. Design and production is decentralised where as SAB has everything in house.

You're saying that Axis looks tough, yet your criticising the mast pocket type connection Moses/SAB has which is not very different to Axis, right?

Just curious about your credentials?

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Livit said..

foilthegreats said..


I'm currently riding Armstrong and it has performed well, haven't broken anything yet. I also like the GoFoil design, its probably the most robust carbon design. If going aluminum the Axis looks tough. 90% of the time most foils are fine, it's just when doing big jumps and landing a little flat the wing will flex. This I believe will break every foil over time as its an extreme amount of stress.

Moses/SAB have been making foils since 2008. Surely they know a thing or 2 about design and I would hope that they'd have a few qualified people in their staff.

Armstrong is a Chinese foil. Design and production is decentralised where as SAB has everything in house.

You're saying that Axis looks tough, yet your criticising the mast pocket type connection Moses/SAB has which is not very different to Axis, right?

Just curious about your credentials?

Nothing against Moses I wouldn't buy any foil with this type of connection.

Moses is a high quality product for sure but to suggest Armstrong isn't is laughable.

I don't know how familiar you're with Axis aluminum mast foils but they're extremely tough and over engineered. Again I would not recommend the Axis with carbon mast because of this same concern.

I don't know if you have ever done a large jump and landed flattish but the wing will flex 3-5 inches when impacting the water. This type of stress has to go somewhere and I've personally broken foils with this type of connection in that area.

My credentials are I ride the **** out of my gear.
Again if you're not doing big jumps it really isn't a concern but if you're it's something to think about. Hopefully saves somebody some money.

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Livit said..Armstrong is a Chinese foil. Design and production is decentralised

Armie does not look chinese That is such a silly comment

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hilly said..

Livit said..Armstrong is a Chinese foil. Design and production is decentralised

Armie does not look chinese That is such a silly comment

Neither does Alex Aguera.

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hilly said..

Livit said..Armstrong is a Chinese foil. Design and production is decentralised

Armie does not look chinese That is such a silly comment

It sure doesn't look but it is a Chinese products. I never said it wasn't a good product and in fact I am also considering getting one.... I think it would just be nicer if they were still made in Raglan.

What is laughable though is someone with 0 credentials apart from his own riding talking about engineering . That one will always crack me up.

GoFoil has a different design but is prone to cracking at the base so I guess they can all suffer from abuse.

The point is Kuddo to Moses/SAB for sticking to their gun and keeping their production in a top notch facility in Italy. We don't hear of many failures on their equipment so it can't be that bad.

I think the secret is don't jump with big wings.
There're wear and breakage issues with all brands when not used for the purpose.
I owned a Jetski once (remember I said once) and inside it stated not for jumping as hull may crack.

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Livit said..

hilly said..

Livit said..Armstrong is a Chinese foil. Design and production is decentralised

Armie does not look chinese That is such a silly comment

It sure doesn't look but it is a Chinese products. I never said it wasn't a good product and in fact I am also considering getting one.... I think it would just be nicer if they were still made in Raglan.

What is laughable though is someone with 0 credentials apart from his own riding talking about engineering . That one will always crack me up.

GoFoil has a different design but is prone to cracking at the base so I guess they can all suffer from abuse.

The point is Kuddo to Moses/SAB for sticking to their gun and keeping their production in a top notch facility in Italy. We don't hear of many failures on their equipment so it can't be that bad.

Sorry for giving my opinion on a foil design I've used and broken. I get it, hydrofoil engineer opinions only.

I am a new Axis foil owner (1050 with 86 carbon mast) and used Moses 1100/790 with 82cm carbon mast until now.
Just got the Axis foil on wednesday and found the mast to fuze connection pretty soft.
I compared to the Moses and it felt stiffer at this mast/fuze connection, but more flexible at the fuze/wing connection.
All in all same flex (approx) but at a different place.
Moses mast is 1,5kg and Axis 1,95kg so quite a difference there.

Never heard of a mast breaking there though.

Foilthegreats => is it an Axis carbon you broke at this connection point?

I understand Radiculo and Tituan are breaking A LOT of material on a contest weekend even if they jump smaller (and fster) wings

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Frankieboy said..
I am a new Axis foil owner (1050 with 86 carbon mast) and used Moses 1100/790 with 82cm carbon mast until now.
Just got the Axis foil on wednesday and found the mast to fuze connection pretty soft.
I compared to the Moses and it felt stiffer at this mast/fuze connection, but more flexible at the fuze/wing connection.
All in all same flex (approx) but at a different place.
Moses mast is 1,5kg and Axis 1,95kg so quite a difference there.

Never heard of a mast breaking there though.

Foilthegreats => is it an Axis carbon you broke at this connection point?

I understand Radiculo and Tituan are breaking A LOT of material on a contest weekend even if they jump smaller (and fster) wings

It was a Cloud9 F series 30" mast. I should note it was replaced under warranty no problem. This setup was extremely stiff when new.

I jumped this setup at least 500+ times and developed hairline cracks that led to the connection getting softer and eventually failing completely.

I've seen a few different manufacturers mast develop this same type of damage.

Listen to Warwicki.
Don't jump your lightwind gear.
Don't jump your cargo van.
Don't jump your touring bike.
Do jump the smallest, lowest aspect wings with short masts and fuze.
And be aware, hippos break things.

Anything can break...
Stumbled onto the website of SABfoil (formerly known as Moses HF or Moses/SABfoil). They have a bunch of new products coming out.
One interesting item is a new 700 fuselage, named HS (High Strength). Designed for bigger wings and bigger hardware (m8 instead of m6). It'll be compatible with a new series of front wings. 2021 is going to be a very interesting (and expensive) year.

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Livit said..

Armstrong is a Chinese foil. Design and production is decentralised where as SAB has everything in house.

The fact that something is made in China is not an issue? I always been under the impression even in China you have to pay to have quality. If you want to make a bigger margin, sell for less, you pay less and you have less quality control. Some brand that sell for cheaper got more than 10% of difference in Weight between two same products.

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Mitch Pearson said..
Then there is this

A fellow windwinger and I have the 950 and Moses site state 1600sq cm.
We both independently assessed the area and its 1300 to 1350sq cm.
Regardless, it an incredible wing and by far the best I have had todate .
For me the 950 has the benefits of the W1000, 790 and almost the same early start as the 1100.
In the picture above there is reference to a 1300 sq cm wing can you advise more or is this the 950?