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Duotone Unit vs Ozone WASP and F One Swing

Created by mikesids mikesids  > 9 months ago, 31 Jul 2020
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mikesids
mikesids

143 posts

31 Jul 2020 12:39pm
Hi,
Wondering if anyone who has tried the new Unit and also has experience with the WASP and the Swing could share their thoughts with how the Unit compares ? Especially interested in the power delivery - is it a grunter ( low end biased like the WASP ) or more top end biased / lighter in the hands like the Swing ?

Cheers
DWF
DWF

DWF

710 posts

31 Jul 2020 8:11pm
2nd gen wings have been better than older wings in most cases. I'm betting the Unit spanks these older wings. But I'd also bet Ozone and Fone release their new wings real soon....so there is that.
Shlogger
Shlogger

533 posts

1 Aug 2020 11:11pm
It's been great for us consumers as everyone's next generation incorporates what works and discards what doesn't work. Looks like the new Starboard Air Rush has taken the best features of what's out there. Would love someone's input if they've tried one. Otherwise waiting on Ozone's and Fones next Gen.
FOILSLEEVE
FOILSLEEVE

NSW

85 posts

2 Aug 2020 4:57pm
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Shlogger said..
It's been great for us consumers as everyone's next generation incorporates what works and discards what doesn't work. Looks like the new Starboard Air Rush has taken the best features of what's out there. Would love someone's input if they've tried one. Otherwise waiting on Ozone's and Fones next Gen.


I've got an airrush 7m and I love it. I've tried it back to back with a WASP 6m and it was more grunty for me. Very light.
warwickl
warwickl

NSW

2357 posts

2 Aug 2020 5:57pm
Sorry but can't help saying this - who would have expected a 7m to be more grunty than a 6m.
Shlogger
Shlogger

533 posts

4 Aug 2020 10:39am
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warwickl said..
Sorry but can't help saying this - who would have expected a 7m to be more grunty than a 6m.

hilly
hilly

WA

7979 posts

4 Aug 2020 2:11pm
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DWF said..2nd gen wings have been better than older wings in most cases.



Agree with this. A mate has a Unit and it is very like my new Smik. Really efficient with a tight canopy so you they have a really wide wind range. They are a good wing, even with the window only slightly heavier than the Smik 2.1kg to 2.3kg from memory. Nice touches like padding under the front handle to protect your knuckles.
Piros
Piros

QLD

7251 posts

4 Aug 2020 4:27pm
Yeah Smiks just hit the Goldie very positive response.
northy1
northy1

498 posts

11 Aug 2020 5:13am
Anyone know the wingspan of the unit 6m compared to the ozone wasp 6m...im a novice and found the ozone 6m quite a handful geometry wise in light winds at 5'9.

Ps
I'm surprised that wingspan is a dimension listed as a matter of spec from the manufacturer
Alysum
Alysum

NSW

1030 posts

11 Aug 2020 7:51am
The wasp 6m is a monster. Too big. Smik 6m is much smaller and a great wing.
Foilbrained
Foilbrained

WA

6 posts

11 Aug 2020 9:25pm
I'm not sure what the hype is over the Smik wings, I tried out a mates 5m the other day and have literally no skin left on my knuckles (not an exaggeration, left the water with blood dripping off my fingers). Not sure if it's the webbing that's stitched into the strut that the handles are stitched onto, or if it's that combined with the handles being smaller than the other wings(haven't had any similar problems on my wasp)? Either way, I'll be steering clear of them for my next wing...
dejavu
dejavu

825 posts

12 Aug 2020 12:34am
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Alysum said..
The wasp 6m is a monster. Too big. Smik 6m is much smaller and a great wing.


The 6 metre Wasp has the same wing span as the 4.2 F-One.

hilly
hilly

WA

7979 posts

12 Aug 2020 10:55am
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I'm not sure what the hype is over the Smik wings, I tried out a mates 5m the other day and have literally no skin left on my knuckles (not an exaggeration, left the water with blood dripping off my fingers). Not sure if it's the webbing that's stitched into the strut that the handles are stitched onto, or if it's that combined with the handles being smaller than the other wings(haven't had any similar problems on my wasp)? Either way, I'll be steering clear of them for my next wing...


I find the opposite due to the Smik handles being quite stiff my hands do not move around much so do not scuff my knuckles as I did frequently with my wasps. The other issue with the Wasp is the soft handles sit squashed down rather than proud so I would have to push my fingers through close to the strut. Quite often resulting in the seam going under my fingernail which is not enjoyable. Horses for courses.
Relapse
Relapse

VIC

618 posts

12 Aug 2020 1:01pm
Anyone heard anything about the Wasp V2 yet?
hilly
hilly

WA

7979 posts

12 Aug 2020 11:59am
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Anyone heard anything about the Wasp V2 yet?


It will be better than V1
FOILSLEEVE
FOILSLEEVE

NSW

85 posts

19 Aug 2020 6:49am
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warwickl said..
Sorry but can't help saying this - who would have expected a 7m to be more grunty than a 6m.


True... but many people on these threads think that the WASP 6m is the most powerful of all. Some think it's more powerful than some 7m. That not what I found. Anyway, each to their own...
DavidJohn
DavidJohn

VIC

17569 posts

21 Aug 2020 7:05pm
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Anyone heard anything about the Wasp V2 yet?


Wasp V2.. ?





Alysum
Alysum

NSW

1030 posts

22 Aug 2020 10:11am
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Foilbrained said..
I'm not sure what the hype is over the Smik wings, I tried out a mates 5m the other day and have literally no skin left on my knuckles (not an exaggeration, left the water with blood dripping off my fingers). Not sure if it's the webbing that's stitched into the strut that the handles are stitched onto, or if it's that combined with the handles being smaller than the other wings(haven't had any similar problems on my wasp)? Either way, I'll be steering clear of them for my next wing...



I have no idea what you're on about. The handles on the Smik are some of the biggest on the market, super stiff. My knuckles never touch anything along the boom. I have not used the front handle off waves yet though. Not many brands have put padding off the front handle besides Duotone v2.
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VIC

618 posts

22 Aug 2020 11:47am
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Alysum said..

Foilbrained said..
I'm not sure what the hype is over the Smik wings, I tried out a mates 5m the other day and have literally no skin left on my knuckles (not an exaggeration, left the water with blood dripping off my fingers). Not sure if it's the webbing that's stitched into the strut that the handles are stitched onto, or if it's that combined with the handles being smaller than the other wings(haven't had any similar problems on my wasp)? Either way, I'll be steering clear of them for my next wing...




I have no idea what you're on about. The handles on the Smik are some of the biggest on the market, super stiff. My knuckles never touch anything along the boom. I have not used the front handle off waves yet though. Not many brands have put padding off the front handle besides Duotone v2.


No issue here either and I'm a dedicate princess, the preformed handles are really easy to grab. Quite a different feel to the Wasp.
Foilbrained
Foilbrained

WA

6 posts

22 Aug 2020 12:37pm
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Alysum said..


Foilbrained said..
I'm not sure what the hype is over the Smik wings, I tried out a mates 5m the other day and have literally no skin left on my knuckles (not an exaggeration, left the water with blood dripping off my fingers). Not sure if it's the webbing that's stitched into the strut that the handles are stitched onto, or if it's that combined with the handles being smaller than the other wings(haven't had any similar problems on my wasp)? Either way, I'll be steering clear of them for my next wing...





I have no idea what you're on about. The handles on the Smik are some of the biggest on the market, super stiff. My knuckles never touch anything along the boom. I have not used the front handle off waves yet though. Not many brands have put padding off the front handle besides Duotone v2.



No issue here either and I'm a dedicate princess, the preformed handles are really easy to grab. Quite a different feel to the Wasp.



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Alysum said..

Foilbrained said..
I'm not sure what the hype is over the Smik wings, I tried out a mates 5m the other day and have literally no skin left on my knuckles (not an exaggeration, left the water with blood dripping off my fingers). Not sure if it's the webbing that's stitched into the strut that the handles are stitched onto, or if it's that combined with the handles being smaller than the other wings(haven't had any similar problems on my wasp)? Either way, I'll be steering clear of them for my next wing...




I have no idea what you're on about. The handles on the Smik are some of the biggest on the market, super stiff. My knuckles never touch anything along the boom. I have not used the front handle off waves yet though. Not many brands have put padding off the front handle besides Duotone v2.



Glad you guys are enjoying them, and I hope anyone else who gets one does as well. Was purely passing on my experience (is that not what these forums are for?) which unfortunately wasn't a good one. Maybe I've got the hands of a giant lol
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VIC

618 posts

22 Aug 2020 7:42pm
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Foilbrained said..

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Alysum said..



Foilbrained said..
I'm not sure what the hype is over the Smik wings, I tried out a mates 5m the other day and have literally no skin left on my knuckles (not an exaggeration, left the water with blood dripping off my fingers). Not sure if it's the webbing that's stitched into the strut that the handles are stitched onto, or if it's that combined with the handles being smaller than the other wings(haven't had any similar problems on my wasp)? Either way, I'll be steering clear of them for my next wing...






I have no idea what you're on about. The handles on the Smik are some of the biggest on the market, super stiff. My knuckles never touch anything along the boom. I have not used the front handle off waves yet though. Not many brands have put padding off the front handle besides Duotone v2.




No issue here either and I'm a dedicate princess, the preformed handles are really easy to grab. Quite a different feel to the Wasp.





Alysum said..


Foilbrained said..
I'm not sure what the hype is over the Smik wings, I tried out a mates 5m the other day and have literally no skin left on my knuckles (not an exaggeration, left the water with blood dripping off my fingers). Not sure if it's the webbing that's stitched into the strut that the handles are stitched onto, or if it's that combined with the handles being smaller than the other wings(haven't had any similar problems on my wasp)? Either way, I'll be steering clear of them for my next wing...





I have no idea what you're on about. The handles on the Smik are some of the biggest on the market, super stiff. My knuckles never touch anything along the boom. I have not used the front handle off waves yet though. Not many brands have put padding off the front handle besides Duotone v2.




Glad you guys are enjoying them, and I hope anyone else who gets one does as well. Was purely passing on my experience (is that not what these forums are for?) which unfortunately wasn't a good one. Maybe I've got the hands of a giant lol


Good to get lots of different perspectives always worth trying before you buy if you can. My mates got hands like marshmallows, always struggles to keep the skin on his palms
hilly
hilly

WA

7979 posts

22 Aug 2020 6:24pm
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Foilbrained said..is that not what these forums are for?


First post bags out a really good wing. Great start champ
Foilbrained
Foilbrained

WA

6 posts

22 Aug 2020 9:09pm
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hilly said..

First post bags out a really good wing. Great start champ


like I said, just posting my experience so others can see it.

and correct, first post. Thanks for such a warm welcome to the community champ
omg
omg

omg

292 posts

12 Sep 2020 1:01pm
Hi guys.

Abt Unit; there is a gleiten.tv review on Unit 5m2 and it's in german. They say the 5m2 is good for waves but less so on freeriding, and most of all, it has pretty lousy low end compared to other 5m2 wings. Do you agree with this, please?
hilly
hilly

WA

7979 posts

12 Sep 2020 3:36pm
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omg said..
Hi guys.

Abt Unit; there is a gleiten.tv review on Unit 5m2 and it's in german. They say the 5m2 is good for waves but less so on freeriding, and most of all, it has pretty lousy low end compared to other 5m2 wings. Do you agree with this, please?


Can only talk about the 4. The 4 Unit gets going just as soon as the 4m wasp, if anything earlier. They are a good wing.
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VIC

618 posts

26 Sep 2020 4:12pm
Got to play with a 4m Unit in the shop yesterday, nice and light in the hand even with the windows. Looks and felt great with a tight skin much like the Smick. The eva foam tubes they put on the handles feel super comfy.
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