I've been winging for 4 yrs + and have been settled on a one board quiver for 18 months+ . It's an Old school Naish hover 4'10 22.5" 60L. Im 72 to 80kg !! I use 4 and 5m, 790cm ar 10 with v. small tail, 12+ knots, strapless and into waves and bumps. My board feels great in the air and is surfy and nimble. I've never thought it's great for take offs. We often have very gusty conditions and I often miss a gust as it's not efficient getting up. When learning I went 95, 85, 75 and settled on 60. I don't chase light wind but my conditions have big tides, rips and lots going on. I find my board very easy to balance on in some very challenging conditions.
Wondered if anyone experienced moved towards having more litres? Would this help me get up and away quicker in a gust?

Most boards with more volume are too wide, I wouldn't want a wider board than mine. Any production narrow but not too long?

Ideally 5'2 to 5'4, 21" 70L. Nothing out there? Custom board would be very limited on resale if I didn't like it. my prone board is 18" wide and is awesome.

Any thoughts?

If you go longer around the same volume you are way easier up and on the foil.I know your Naish and my KT now last year model Wingdrifer5.4x22x56l is easier to balance on and a lot quicker to get going due that extra length/ nose aera.As a big board I,m riding a SuperK6.5x22x92l (I,m 97/98kg) and the extra length doesnt hinder me at all. The lesser width as more trad boards is for me the biggest factor in getting a nimble feel out of riding a board. Since I got my superK I barely grab the Wingdrifter and ride the SuperK in over 30knots what I would never do with my former more trad shaped 90l board, so my advice would be to have a look in the 70l version of it for your weight. You gain low end and lose imo nothing..

I'm the same weight as you and riding the new Naish Wingfoil Ascend at 72L, 5'2" and 24 1/4" wide. Using the newer HA1040 and 840 foils.
Originally I wanted the 62L because it is a bit narrower, but after riding the 72L in bumps and chops, with a lot of cross chop at times, I'm happy with the extra bit of width for stability. Once up on foil, I have no issues in turning and bump riding.

Having said that, I'm now looking at a SUP / light wind board like the new Naish Downwind Crossover in 85L or the Sunover Carver 5'6"

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Jeroensurf said..
If you go longer around the same volume you are way easier up and on the foil.I know your Naish and my KT now last year model Wingdrifer5.4x22x56l is easier to balance on and a lot quicker to get going due that extra length/ nose aera.As a big board I,m riding a SuperK6.5x22x92l (I,m 97/98kg) and the extra length doesnt hinder me at all. The lesser width as more trad boards is for me the biggest factor in getting a nimble feel out of riding a board. Since I got my superK I barely grab the Wingdrifter and ride the SuperK in over 30knots what I would never do with my former more trad shaped 90l board, so my advice would be to have a look in the 70l version of it for your weight. You gain low end and lose imo nothing..

Thanks for that, much appreciated. Actually that 5'4 22" 56L looks awesome a for my weight. I'll see if there are any deals around.

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kersh said..
I'm the same weight as you and riding the new Naish Wingfoil Ascend at 72L, 5'2" and 24 1/4" wide. Using the newer HA1040 and 840 foils.
Originally I wanted the 62L because it is a bit narrower, but after riding the 72L in bumps and chops, with a lot of cross chop at times, I'm happy with the extra bit of width for stability. Once up on foil, I have no issues in turning and bump riding.

Having said that, I'm now looking at a SUP / light wind board like the new Naish Downwind Crossover in 85L or the Sunover Carver 5'6"

24 1/2 would be a deal breaker for me. If it 5'2 22" then it would be good.

Appletree Appleslice v3 has one at 5'2" x 22" and 70l

sunovasurfboards.com/en/legends/casey/carver

Sunova Carver 5'2"x20" and 67l, pretty much exactly what you requested. I've ridden it and it's a blast. Pops up onto foil quick. You can get it with no footstrap inserts to save weight since you are strapless too.

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BWalnut said..
sunovasurfboards.com/en/legends/casey/carver

Sunova Carver 5'2"x20" and 67l, pretty much exactly what you requested. I've ridden it and it's a blast. Pops up onto foil quick. You can get it with no footstrap inserts to save weight since you are strapless too.

That is perfect and would buy it in a flash but omg it's 1900pounds in the uk. ??

Omen would be my pick

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IanInca said..

BWalnut said..
sunovasurfboards.com/en/legends/casey/carver

Sunova Carver 5'2"x20" and 67l, pretty much exactly what you requested. I've ridden it and it's a blast. Pops up onto foil quick. You can get it with no footstrap inserts to save weight since you are strapless too.

That is perfect and would buy it in a flash but omg it's 1900pounds in the uk. ??

You could also do a Custom Pilot to hit those dims for cheaper. The pilots are specifically built for prone surfing but you can wing the larger sizes. I just got my new boards for 2025, a custom carver and a custom pilot (DIY deckpads for me). I rode my last carver for over 4000km last year and it had hardly any wear on it.

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IanInca said..

BWalnut said..
sunovasurfboards.com/en/legends/casey/carver

Sunova Carver 5'2"x20" and 67l, pretty much exactly what you requested. I've ridden it and it's a blast. Pops up onto foil quick. You can get it with no footstrap inserts to save weight since you are strapless too.

That is perfect and would buy it in a flash but omg it's 1900pounds in the uk. ??

Yeah I looked at them also after reading BWalnuts reviews etc but just too expensive in the UK sorry... almost $2.4 USD!

Crazy. Must be something to do with locations that drives the price up? $550 cheaper here in the states. Come out for a visit and take one home with ya!

Yeah they are 1850 GBP in UK and 1850 USD in states...UK not a cheap place (and more restrictive to import also since Brexit)

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IanInca said..
I've been winging for 4 yrs + and have been settled on a one board quiver for 18 months+ . It's an Old school Naish hover 4'10 22.5" 60L. Im 72 to 80kg !! I use 4 and 5m, 790cm ar 10 with v. small tail, 12+ knots, strapless and into waves and bumps. My board feels great in the air and is surfy and nimble. I've never thought it's great for take offs. We often have very gusty conditions and I often miss a gust as it's not efficient getting up. When learning I went 95, 85, 75 and settled on 60. I don't chase light wind but my conditions have big tides, rips and lots going on. I find my board very easy to balance on in some very challenging conditions.
Wondered if anyone experienced moved towards having more litres? Would this help me get up and away quicker in a gust?

Most boards with more volume are too wide, I wouldn't want a wider board than mine. Any production narrow but not too long?

Ideally 5'2 to 5'4, 21" 70L. Nothing out there? Custom board would be very limited on resale if I didn't like it. my prone board is 18" wide and is awesome.

Any thoughts?

It all depends what you are after and your riding style. I like jumping and riding swell. (Ground swell, not wind swell). Narrow, long boards are not for me. And if the board doesn't sink completely I find them hard work. I am 90kg, had 75l board that was super hard work because it floated too much and was fighting the board wanting to float up in chop was super difficult. Went down to 60 and was dramatically easier. 4'11x22" I use it from 15knots upwards. For super light wind I have sup foil board but I jump into the small board as soon as I can. Don't enjoy the bigger board.
with all the new high aspect foils you can get up super easy and stall speeds are incredible so staying on foil it's not an issue.but that will depend how light do you want to go.
know plenty of people loving the narrow boards, I had one and sold it.for me was only good to get on foil in super light wind, they do that amazingly well, but everything else was a compromise. So again, it really depends what you are after. Plenty of good options.

Armstrong ML (not know what the price is in the UK).

Swift Foiling always seem to make good products too.

I'd have thought something in the new Swift Foiling FR range would be right in the ball park for what you are after ... swiftfoiling.com/free-ride-wing-foil-board-swift-fr/

Plus you can if you wish tweak it to your own specification.

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bolocom said..

IanInca said..
I've been winging for 4 yrs + and have been settled on a one board quiver for 18 months+ . It's an Old school Naish hover 4'10 22.5" 60L. Im 72 to 80kg !! I use 4 and 5m, 790cm ar 10 with v. small tail, 12+ knots, strapless and into waves and bumps. My board feels great in the air and is surfy and nimble. I've never thought it's great for take offs. We often have very gusty conditions and I often miss a gust as it's not efficient getting up. When learning I went 95, 85, 75 and settled on 60. I don't chase light wind but my conditions have big tides, rips and lots going on. I find my board very easy to balance on in some very challenging conditions.
Wondered if anyone experienced moved towards having more litres? Would this help me get up and away quicker in a gust?

Most boards with more volume are too wide, I wouldn't want a wider board than mine. Any production narrow but not too long?

Ideally 5'2 to 5'4, 21" 70L. Nothing out there? Custom board would be very limited on resale if I didn't like it. my prone board is 18" wide and is awesome.

Any thoughts?

It all depends what you are after and your riding style. I like jumping and riding swell. (Ground swell, not wind swell). Narrow, long boards are not for me. And if the board doesn't sink completely I find them hard work. I am 90kg, had 75l board that was super hard work because it floated too much and was fighting the board wanting to float up in chop was super difficult. Went down to 60 and was dramatically easier. 4'11x22" I use it from 15knots upwards. For super light wind I have sup foil board but I jump into the small board as soon as I can. Don't enjoy the bigger board.
with all the new high aspect foils you can get up super easy and stall speeds are incredible so staying on foil it's not an issue.but that will depend how light do you want to go.
know plenty of people loving the narrow boards, I had one and sold it.for me was only good to get on foil in super light wind, they do that amazingly well, but everything else was a compromise. So again, it really depends what you are after. Plenty of good options.

I agree with you and love small boards. I have no problem starting my 4'8 18" prone board with no straps winging. However the combination of huge tides, very shallow water on shelf's all over the place and predominantly confused wind chop it makes for tricky starts and the trade off is not worth it. I'm therefore going to sacrifice board size in order to win on hand wing and foil size.

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MeonAsh said..
I'd have thought something in the new Swift Foiling FR range would be right in the ball park for what you are after ... swiftfoiling.com/free-ride-wing-foil-board-swift-fr/

Plus you can if you wish tweak it to your own specification.

That looks a sweet board but 1500 pounds is too much.

Perhaps something from Takoon or Gong would work. An updated shape for a lower price. I went from a Naish to a Takoon and was pleased. A bit heavier but much more rugged.

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northy1 said..

IanInca said..

BWalnut said..
sunovasurfboards.com/en/legends/casey/carver

Sunova Carver 5'2"x20" and 67l, pretty much exactly what you requested. I've ridden it and it's a blast. Pops up onto foil quick. You can get it with no footstrap inserts to save weight since you are strapless too.

That is perfect and would buy it in a flash but omg it's 1900pounds in the uk. ??

Yeah I looked at them also after reading BWalnuts reviews etc but just too expensive in the UK sorry... almost $2.4 USD!

Have you checked with SupHut the UK importers, I'm sure they're less than that.

?1900 GBP for the 85liter = $2420 USD

hydrofoilstore.com/sunova-carver-5-10-wing-foil-board

Gong Cruzader Diamond is worth a look if based in the UK. Have just ordered a 5'10 myself. On sale at present.

You should look at Smik, you should find what you are looking for and you even have the possibility of having a custom made.
Contact Antoine from Smik Europe ( on their Facebook or website ) , he is super nice and gives good advice !!

Thanks for all the responses.

I have pulled the trigger on a Gong Diamond Cruzader 5'6 | 167.6cm, 19 5/16" 49.0cm4 15/16" 12.6cm Volume: 70.0L 5.4kg. A new board, last years model with 30 percent off 699 euros (WOW).. Ideally I would have a few litres less and maybe 5'4. Gong boards can be a bit brittle so I will handle with care!!

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IanInca said..
Thanks for all the responses.

I have pulled the trigger on a Gong Diamond Cruzader 5'6 | 167.6cm, 19 5/16" 49.0cm4 15/16" 12.6cm Volume: 70.0L 5.4kg. A new board, last years model with 30 percent off 699 euros (WOW).. Ideally I would have a few litres less and maybe 5'4. Gong boards can be a bit brittle so I will handle with care!!

Really looking forward to getting mine. Think you will be impressed with the FSP pro construction.

I haven,t triedthe Gong wingfoil boards, but the sups are all a bit less volume as stated so I think the volume work out well for you.
An 100kg frstyling buddy of me has an 85l and that one is holding up well while he trashed 3 Duotones in a row.

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Jeroensurf said..
I haven,t triedthe Gong wingfoil boards, but the sups are all a bit less volume as stated so I think the volume work out well for you.
An 100kg frstyling buddy of me has an 85l and that one is holding up well while he trashed 3 Duotones in a row.

Awesome that's good to know. I think they've definitely seemed to improved durability on their boards.