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New foil from Axis! AR looks like something between HPS and ART. Only prone foil in first marketing, but has anyone tried it with a wing yet? Hopefully this is a easier to turn foil as I find both HPS and ART a bit slow edge to edge.

Tested the Spitfire 1030 this afternoon in less than 10kn occasional breeze gust with the 260 skinny rear wing.
So far so good.

Still trying to get my head with how this all aligns. Between the ART and HPS. So, what does that exactly mean. It is spruiking it as a one wing does all., but does that mean it glides better than the HPS but not as much as the ART. It's speed is somewhere between the HPS and ART, and it has a lower stall speed than the HPS. Just another wing or is this going to be a reason to spend more $$$$. Looking forward to hearing what the reviews say. Personally, I love the shape of it, but that means sweet f$#% all.

I have tried the 900 spitfire for tow in. I usually use the HPS930 or ART899 for the same conditions we had on Saturday. The Spitfire was less front foot heavy that the HPS, it was definitely easier to turn and was more comfortable at speed. I think the glide was similar however I needed more time to adjust to the decrease in front foot pressure. The 900 was looser than the 899, not quite the same glide however didn't stall as early as the 899. I didn't notice any cavitation when turning assuming the tips came out of the water. I can see the attraction, particularly in surf. I need more time on the foil to really get it dialled in, however it would be my first choice for surfing. My wife rides Armstrong and was on waves straight away and much more comfortable on the 900 than the HPS or 899. I am 90 kgs and she is 60kgs and we could easily share this foil without changing front wings. Hopefully more testing to come

Do you think the Spitfire should be moved a bit further forward.
I had the mast in the same position as I have my ARTs and same as you, less front foot.
Also the Spitfire rises so controlled I think it could be moved further forward.
I will do this next session.

Haha yeh same! I'm still quite happy on my 880 for prone and wing but now wondering if the new (smaller) art pros which I'm assuming will be released later down the track may be better waiting for as a second wing to add to the quiver, seems like they sorted the wing tip ventilation/ breach issue on the 1201?

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shi thouse said..
Still trying to get my head with how this all aligns. Between the ART and HPS. So, what does that exactly mean. It is spruiking it as a one wing does all., but does that mean it glides better than the HPS but not as much as the ART. It's speed is somewhere between the HPS and ART, and it has a lower stall speed than the HPS. Just another wing or is this going to be a reason to spend more $$$$. Looking forward to hearing what the reviews say. Personally, I love the shape of it, but that means sweet f$#% all.

I had a run on the 1100 spitfire with a 375 progressive rear using a Naish DW in 10 to 15 knots. I typically lug my 110kg on the 1310.

I had no issues getting up and going in 10knots and hit 18.4knots in the gusts. I was super surprised at the low end getting started and pleasantly surprised at the top end.

Below 10knots I had no issues staying on the foil pumping away. Really nice support.

Tacking and gybing were nice and smooth.

I can see the spitfire will replace my 1310 for low wind days.

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bigtone667 said..
I had a run on the 1100 spitfire with a 375 progressive rear using a Naish DW in 10 to 15 knots. I typically lug my 110kg on the 1310.

I had no issues getting up and going in 10knots and hit 18.4knots in the gusts. I was super surprised at the low end getting started and pleasantly surprised at the top end.

Below 10knots I had no issues staying on the foil pumping away. Really nice support.

Tacking and gybing were nice and smooth.

I can see the spitfire will replace my 1310 for low wind days.

Interesting! Would you think it'd be a good addition to the 1099 in order to get more low end?
I find the 1099 hard work sometimes below 13/14kts. I'm on the advanced ultrashort with 375p rear and weigh 96kg.

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bigtone667 said..
I had a run on the 1100 spitfire with a 375 progressive rear using a Naish DW in 10 to 15 knots. I typically lug my 110kg on the 1310.

I had no issues getting up and going in 10knots and hit 18.4knots in the gusts. I was super surprised at the low end getting started and pleasantly surprised at the top end.

Below 10knots I had no issues staying on the foil pumping away. Really nice support.

Tacking and gybing were nice and smooth.

I can see the spitfire will replace my 1310 for low wind days.

Had similar experience on maiden voyage today on my new 1100 SF,first being Heavier rider 100kgs + and hardcore HPS 1050 rider last few years since they came out,and not a big fan of the ART series and have to say was pleasantly surprised how it it gets out of the hole up on foil seems to me a tad faster than my 1050 paired with 425P rear.The stall speed seems a bit lower than 1050 too not going to toot my horn too much on one session in 15 kts on the new 1100 but have to be honest with myself it's definitely giving my good ol 1050 a run for it's money.It was pretty flat ocean riding today so looking forward to having a go in some swell soon but overall pretty stoked on first run on the 1100 SF for my liking definitely a good sign

So, still confused....what is the Spiffire delivering that the HPS of similar volume doesn't. More manageable in surf, faster, more glide.....or more hype. What is the inspiration to pass on $1000? I weigh similar to you guys....around the 100kg mark plus a couple of extra pies and currently ride the 980HPS. I would assume the equivalent to be around the 1030?

I've had 2 sessions on Spitfire 1030 and 840.
Me 74kg so a bit different to above.
For me the Spitfire 1030 easily replaces the HPS 1050 and maybe ART 1099.
The Spitfire 840 could replace my HPS 930 and that's a big call so another session to be convinced.
I also have ARTs and doubt the Spitfire 780 could replace ARTs 899 and smaller in this wind strength range.

Today I got to play in Port Stephens on a 25/30 knot day.
We had a heap of really great bumps in the 0.5 to 1 metre range.

The spitfire 1100 was just fantastic. Excellent speed down the faces, super easy to turn and maintain the speed as I bounced quite easily to the wave forming behind. Rock solid unit.

I don't think you can ask for a more detailed review than this one. I got to demo the 1030 for a sup and a wing and I think Dominic Hoskyns review is pretty spot on. It's a really nice wing, speed and glide just between the Art and HPS turning/ carvability really good. I was surprised at how nimble the 1030 was for a wing that size.

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shi thouse said..
So, still confused....what is the Spiffire delivering that the HPS of similar volume doesn't. More manageable in surf, faster, more glide.....or more hype. What is the inspiration to pass on $1000? I weigh similar to you guys....around the 100kg mark plus a couple of extra pies and currently ride the 980HPS. I would assume the equivalent to be around the 1030?

I would say the 1030 spitfire has a little more lift and definitely more glide than the HPS 980. Similar smooth easy lift and low stall speed as 980

Looks a lot like a GONG Fluid-H!

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Youngbreezy said..

shi thouse said..
So, still confused....what is the Spiffire delivering that the HPS of similar volume doesn't. More manageable in surf, faster, more glide.....or more hype. What is the inspiration to pass on $1000? I weigh similar to you guys....around the 100kg mark plus a couple of extra pies and currently ride the 980HPS. I would assume the equivalent to be around the 1030?

I would say the 1030 spitfire has a little more lift and definitely more glide than the HPS 980. Similar smooth easy lift and low stall speed as 980

So, in what situations would you choose the HPS over the Spitfire?

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FoilColorado said..
Looks a lot like a GONG Fluid-H!

GONG describe their Fluid foil as follows:

The Fluid is a moderate aspect wing with a Spitfire type outline and an omega camber with very raised tips to release the profile in roll and send turn after turn.

www.gong-galaxy.com/en/product/gong-foil-allvator-front-wing-fluid/

The Axis Spitfire foil looks quite similar to the GONG Fluid, but inverted!

Looking at the 840 and 900... trying to figure out which size for a most days go-to foil foil for winging my 96kg in Maui conditions. I've had my curser on the buy button a few times- just want to make sure I get the right one as I don't have unlimited fund$$$. Tails anyone? Progressive gonna work or does the skinny make a big difference?

Honestly I don't see a spitfire outline in the fluid. I used the skinny 365/55 with HPS 1050 and 930 and I can say it's faster then the 400p and also feels more turntable. It's definitely thinner than the progressive.

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shi thouse said..

So, in what situations would you choose the HPS over the Spitfire?

it's a bit hard to say as I only had 2 sessions on the SF and the 980 HPS has been my go to wing for the last 2 years and my all time favourite wing in my foiling journey so far. The 1030 SF is a bit quicker, definitely better pump and glide, probably turns better but it's hard to say as the 980 also turns really nice. It wouldn't be worth having both of them in the quiver at the same time as they are pretty close. The SF is a bigger wing than the 980 so you're essentially getting more lift and glide but still as good or better speed and turning. Going from the 980 hps to 1030 SF wouldn't be a giant leap in performance but they're not the same size wing.

I have just picked up the 960SF as that is just a bit smaller than the HPS 980 and should be a fair bit higher performance. Plus it fits into my quiver with 899art 980 HPS and 1099 art. The 960 SF will most likely replace the 980 HPS but I might end up getting rid of the hps 980 and 1099 and get a 1030 SF as that could take the place of both wings.

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Driks said..
Honestly I don't see a spitfire outline in the fluid.

They're both based upon the same Spitfire aeroplane wing design so are going to be quite similar in shape.

As Steve Jobs put it simply "good artists copy, great artists steal". The Spitfire plane's wing design was a good one to be inspired by as it provides great manoeuvrability and low drag.

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Youngbreezy said..

shi thouse said..

So, in what situations would you choose the HPS over the Spitfire?

it's a bit hard to say as I only had 2 sessions on the SF and the 980 HPS has been my go to wing for the last 2 years and my all time favourite wing in my foiling journey so far. The 1030 SF is a bit quicker, definitely better pump and glide, probably turns better but it's hard to say as the 980 also turns really nice. It wouldn't be worth having both of them in the quiver at the same time as they are pretty close. The SF is a bigger wing than the 980 so you're essentially getting more lift and glide but still as good or better speed and turning. Going from the 980 hps to 1030 SF wouldn't be a giant leap in performance but they're not the same size wing.

I have just picked up the 960SF as that is just a bit smaller than the HPS 980 and should be a fair bit higher performance. Plus it fits into my quiver with 899art 980 HPS and 1099 art. The 960 SF will most likely replace the 980 HPS but I might end up getting rid of the hps 980 and 1099 and get a 1030 SF as that could take the place of both wings.

Thanks for that mate. It's hard not to get caught up in the hype. I love my 980hps and to off-load it to get a new wing, its going to have to be a signiificant improvement before I move it on. Maybe the Spitfire will be better suited to downwinding.

Just got the 1201 Art Pro and am loving it so I think I'll stick with that for it's glide and stiffness.

I'm debating if I want to trade my Art 999 or HPS830 for a spitfire but am just enjoying both those wings so much it's hard to want to let go.

Art 999 is like butter if the conditions are right, the 830 can handle ugly mixed chop and current with ease and big swell when I need it to.

It seems like the Spitfire was really meant to replace the HPS and the Art Pro meant to replace the Art line.

DC

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cansyd said..
I have tried the 900 spitfire for tow in. I usually use the HPS930 or ART899 for the same conditions we had on Saturday. The Spitfire was less front foot heavy that the HPS, it was definitely easier to turn and was more comfortable at speed. I think the glide was similar however I needed more time to adjust to the decrease in front foot pressure. The 900 was looser than the 899, not quite the same glide however didn't stall as early as the 899. I didn't notice any cavitation when turning assuming the tips came out of the water. I can see the attraction, particularly in surf. I need more time on the foil to really get it dialled in, however it would be my first choice for surfing. My wife rides Armstrong and was on waves straight away and much more comfortable on the 900 than the HPS or 899. I am 90 kgs and she is 60kgs and we could easily share this foil without changing front wings. Hopefully more testing to come

How would the 900 compare to the 799? I found the 799 way too loose but can handle the 899.
Trying to work out whether to go for the 900 or 960 for higher winds/riding swell & learning to jump on the wing

Just had my first go on the 900. I'm 185lbs pared with kd Marlin, sillyshort, 90HM. Best all around wing I have ridden. Very well behaved. Confidence inspiring behavior and predictability. I have never railed turns so hard as on the Spitty. Slow tight slashes to fast large radius turns. Glide is less than art but just a little less than 999. And I could care less because the loose rail to rail with the slightest twitch of ankle initiation is mind blowing. The roll doesn't get locked in at speed like wider span wings do. I was on my Kalama 8'4" X 18"(9.5lbs)barracuda proto. This board is now my main wingboard. I think I would have struggled to "get it up" on my 80L 5.0 as the wind was 12-18mph. I'm so done with small water shoveling wingboards unless its super windy. The Spitty is a carving machine. I enjoy railing as hard as I can 180 degree turns upwind then hard backside while sheeting in sail to straight downwind and repeat. I couldn't get enough of this. Toeside is amazing. Im goofy and don't switch so coming in port is toeside for me. I have a SS Javelin with boom and can hold wing with one hand and leash with other to trim. This opens up my hips to a more radical stance for edge to edge railbangers. The Spitty led me to flying with handwingwing still engaged but at maybe 50% power. I usually luff when on HA wide wings and surf bumps but I was having so much fun at 50% power that I didn't luff much but just slashed and railed. I did luff some and the glide was really good. The turning is so loose that it is easy to hop of of one wave(lake chop) and hunt down another. Low end felt better than 999. And no more of that fall out of the sky stall business. It just gently glides back down to earth as it should. I feel that I nailed the size at the 900 for my needs. I'm headed to the coast today and will get it out in some down the line surf. Great job Adrian and all the testers. Thanks for making it worth the wait. This wing is retarded good. I felt like a WWII fighter pilot in a heated dogfight.

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broVan said..
Just had my first go on the 900. I'm 185lbs pared with kd Marlin, sillyshort, 90HM. Best all around wing I have ridden. Very well behaved. Confidence inspiring behavior and predictability. I have never railed turns so hard as on the Spitty. Slow tight slashes to fast large radius turns. Glide is less than art but just a little less than 999. And I could care less because the loose rail to rail with the slightest twitch of ankle initiation is mind blowing. The roll doesn't get locked in at speed like wider span wings do. I was on my Kalama 8'4" X 18"(9.5lbs)barracuda proto. This board is now my main wingboard. I think I would have struggled to "get it up" on my 80L 5.0 as the wind was 12-18mph. I'm so done with small water shoveling wingboards unless its super windy. The Spitty is a carving machine. I enjoy railing as hard as I can 180 degree turns upwind then hard backside while sheeting in sail to straight downwind and repeat. I couldn't get enough of this. Toeside is amazing. Im goofy and don't switch so coming in port is toeside for me. I have a SS Javelin with boom and can hold wing with one hand and leash with other to trim. This opens up my hips to a more radical stance for edge to edge railbangers. The Spitty led me to flying with handwingwing still engaged but at maybe 50% power. I usually luff when on HA wide wings and surf bumps but I was having so much fun at 50% power that I didn't luff much but just slashed and railed. I did luff some and the glide was really good. The turning is so loose that it is easy to hop of of one wave(lake chop) and hunt down another. Low end felt better than 999. And no more of that fall out of the sky stall business. It just gently glides back down to earth as it should. I feel that I nailed the size at the 900 for my needs. I'm headed to the coast today and will get it out in some down the line surf. Great job Adrian and all the testers. Thanks for making it worth the wait. This wing is retarded good. I felt like a WWII fighter pilot in a heated dogfight.

Hey broVan-
Thanks for the report. I'm just about out the door to go pick up and demo the 900 today. All that you describe sounds.... well, exactly what I'm looking for in a wing- a great place for me to land on the scale of benefit/compromise as I'm mostly winging in surf / good wind-swell. For sure speed/glide are important, but hard railed turns are what have me completely addicted to the sport. I'm 210lbs/95kg in peak season here- been blowing high 20s everyday. Thinking the 840 is probably the best call for me, the 900 probably going to be too much wing, but local dealer quickly ran out of 840s. Demo of the 900 will at least confirm/deny my guess- give me a taste for what the wing is about and an idea exactly where to go with size.

Ride report on my demo of the 900 SF yesterday. Wind was absolutely cranking 35 kts with very gnarly gusts in the 40s. Would definitely not be the size wing I'd choose for a day like that, but wth, I only had it for one day so went with it. I was shocked at how well it handled it. Came up on foil easy, gradual rise. Very smooth upwind, controlled over the sizable bumps, never felt I had to fight breaching in the gusts and super fun, quick gliding, turning on the bumps DW. Things rolls/banks merely by thinking about it and recovers from a steep bank very easily. Can't wait to try proning. Curious to see the other end of this wings range- how light the conditions it will work in. I think his is going to be a really fun foil in a really wide range / variety of conditions for my 95 kg.

so it's a slightly better HPS?

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Icebergmansion said..
so it's a slightly better HPS?

Short answer: It does everything the HPS does well, a bit better + smooth through turbulence, breaches tips w/o incident, surfs/turns s I g n i f I c a n t l y better.

Long-winded answer: @ 95kg, I've been on 900SF 2x winging in 35 kts and 28 kts now, so I'm definitely still sussing it out, but I'd say it fits the same niche as the HPS- does the things it does well, a bit better. Comparing the 900 SF to 880 HPS: I won't say there's a huge mindblowing difference in some respects, but it is noticeably faster, glidier... has lower bottom end- easier to get on foil. I could flag out and sustain glide on small bumps longer. In nuking conditions with lots of water moving it for sure handled turbulence better too. Haven't tried it in light wind yet so don't know the lower limits there, but having more bottom end before dropping off foil, I'd guess it will be a little better than 880. If it was just those things, honestly I maybe wouldn't be in a huge hurry to make the change. But... a big advantage is how it cruises through tip breaches. Twice I banked sharp turns doing a jibe on a swell, heard the slurp, braced expecting to go down and..... nothing, cruised right through it. The biggest difference for me, that made me pull the trigger is how it surfs- carves, accelerates through sharp turns so smoothly- recovers-transitions from one turn to the other direction easily with really no pitch adjustment needed.
I haven't had it out prone yet, but.....

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Holoholo said..

Icebergmansion said..
so it's a slightly better HPS?

The biggest difference for me, that made me pull the trigger is how it surfs- carves, accelerates through sharp turns so smoothly- recovers-transitions from one turn to the other direction easily with really no pitch adjustment needed.
I haven't had it out prone yet, but.....

Yeah I definitely second this! The turning was what made me pull the trigger.
The HPS is a really nice all round wing and my 980 is my favourite and the closest to a one wing quiver I have found. I could definitely just stick with the HPS and be happy BUT the spitfire is such a nice wing, faster glidier more efficient, still very user friendly to get going and stall speed and goddam that turning is on another level! I bought a 960SF and I have only had a couple sup sessions in crappy conditions but I can already see it will be my go to wing for wingding and sup anytime there is any kind of wave on offer.

What Spitfire would be closest to the 880?. Was going to get the 880 for dinging. I find the 930 too big in waves and need a 4m wind to get my 830 going. Thanks.