standuppaddleboarding.co.uk/hydrofoils/wing-boards/axis-2022-froth-foil-boards

Just found this preview online. The new Axis froth looks good. Apparently they are going for a straight tail and concave deck. Quite big volumes for length.

if the construction is as bad as the previous one, they will spoil a good shape ...

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Ursus said..
if the construction is as bad as the previous one, they will spoil a good shape ...

what kind of problems were people experiencing?

The 2 Axis Froths that I have accessed were poorly built, full carbon but with a lot of weak points, the carbon fabrics on the edges did not even want to join the cover with the hull, the result is a board that works fantastically well but that for intensive use it is destroyed

I've been kind of anxious to hear about the new Axis boards. Been tempted to Pre-order one, but not knowing anything about them makes it a bit tough to do.

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Ursus said..
The 2 Axis Froths that I have accessed were poorly built, full carbon but with a lot of weak points, the carbon fabrics on the edges did not even want to join the cover with the hull, the result is a board that works fantastically well but that for intensive use it is destroyed

I am a bit surprised to hear the construction was really bad, Axis have been making boards for a fair while and can definitely put together a good foiling set up. Hopefully these new models will be built solidly. I am liking the look of the 5'8" x 120L as a sup/wing crossover

I heard the box were put in quite weak. The repair guy had few to fix.

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Youngbreezy said..

Ursus said..
The 2 Axis Froths that I have accessed were poorly built, full carbon but with a lot of weak points, the carbon fabrics on the edges did not even want to join the cover with the hull, the result is a board that works fantastically well but that for intensive use it is destroyed

I am a bit surprised to hear the construction was really bad, Axis have been making boards for a fair while and can definitely put together a good foiling set up. Hopefully these new models will be built solidly. I am liking the look of the 5'8" x 120L as a sup/wing crossover

It is not a problem exclusively for axis, practically all the big brands manufacture in China and I will avoid using a Chinese table if I can. If you consult a local shaper who is familiar with repairing Fanatic, Axis ... they can tell you a horror movie

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Ursus said..

Youngbreezy said..

Ursus said..
The 2 Axis Froths that I have accessed were poorly built, full carbon but with a lot of weak points, the carbon fabrics on the edges did not even want to join the cover with the hull, the result is a board that works fantastically well but that for intensive use it is destroyed

I am a bit surprised to hear the construction was really bad, Axis have been making boards for a fair while and can definitely put together a good foiling set up. Hopefully these new models will be built solidly. I am liking the look of the 5'8" x 120L as a sup/wing crossover

It is not a problem exclusively for axis, practically all the big brands manufacture in China and I will avoid using a Chinese table if I can. If you consult a local shaper who is familiar with repairing Fanatic, Axis ... they can tell you a horror movie

So I'll ask the question... if you don't have a local shaper, who's board do you buy?

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excav8ter said..

Ursus said..

Youngbreezy said..

Ursus said..
The 2 Axis Froths that I have accessed were poorly built, full carbon but with a lot of weak points, the carbon fabrics on the edges did not even want to join the cover with the hull, the result is a board that works fantastically well but that for intensive use it is destroyed

I am a bit surprised to hear the construction was really bad, Axis have been making boards for a fair while and can definitely put together a good foiling set up. Hopefully these new models will be built solidly. I am liking the look of the 5'8" x 120L as a sup/wing crossover

It is not a problem exclusively for axis, practically all the big brands manufacture in China and I will avoid using a Chinese table if I can. If you consult a local shaper who is familiar with repairing Fanatic, Axis ... they can tell you a horror movie

So I'll ask the question... if you don't have a local shaper, who's board do you buy?

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excav8ter said..

Ursus said..

Youngbreezy said..

Ursus said..
The 2 Axis Froths that I have accessed were poorly built, full carbon but with a lot of weak points, the carbon fabrics on the edges did not even want to join the cover with the hull, the result is a board that works fantastically well but that for intensive use it is destroyed

I am a bit surprised to hear the construction was really bad, Axis have been making boards for a fair while and can definitely put together a good foiling set up. Hopefully these new models will be built solidly. I am liking the look of the 5'8" x 120L as a sup/wing crossover

It is not a problem exclusively for axis, practically all the big brands manufacture in China and I will avoid using a Chinese table if I can. If you consult a local shaper who is familiar with repairing Fanatic, Axis ... they can tell you a horror movie

So I'll ask the question... if you don't have a local shaper, who's board do you buy?

I live in the north of Spain, here nobody had experience in wingfoil boards, so I ordered a flycat in Tarifa at 1,000km, pvc and carbon sandwich. The result was lighter and harder. A pleasure

Hopefully there's some news coming soon about these boards. I am looking for a new one.

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excav8ter said..
Hopefully there's some news coming soon about these boards. I am looking for a new one.

If you want the 2022 Axis, suggest you preorder with your favorite shop. They know about them and have orders in.

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DWF said..

excav8ter said..
Hopefully there's some news coming soon about these boards. I am looking for a new one.

If you want the 2022 Axis, suggest you preorder with your favorite shop. They know about them and have orders in.

Was hopeful that we'd hear about the construction and quality first. I had a Quatro wing drifter and sold it. Been awaiting the new stuff from Slingshot, Axis and F-One.

Do the boards have stringers btw ?

No real info about the boards yet I just found this one page on the Supco.uk website. No info from Axis just yet.

I had heard of a few issues with their first run of sup foil boards but that was quite a while back. I imagine they would have made some improvements by now.

Liking the look of the shape. I am really keen to try a flat/straight tail both for wing or sup. The Armstrong's look good but a bit pricey and they really missed the mark in sizing for someone my size. I am thinking concave deck and flat tails will become the new standard

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. I am thinking concave deck and flat tails will become the new standard

Concave decks come, then they go. Saw it in the early days of SUP. Fanatic already reducing concave for 2022.

Flat deck is more natural and zero drawback. Concave has drawbacks.

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DWF said..

. I am thinking concave deck and flat tails will become the new standard

Concave decks come, then they go. Saw it in the early days of SUP. Fanatic already reducing concave for 2022.

Flat deck is more natural and zero drawback. Concave has drawbacks.

Out of interest, what do you see as the drawback?

There comes a point where you need the volume when you start going so short and the concave in the deck takes this volume away so you either need to make a board with super thick rails to get the volume or fill the deck in. Our 5'8 x 29 is 125L to get this volume in such a small board you have to put it somewhere and since going shorter for foil boards is a good thing it rules out length to hide it in. The dugout boards are good and we have done them for over two years already now. Both have pros and cons but both work as well. The Dugouts can hold some water if taking off late on waves is really the only downside if getting really picky, for me never been an issue as the first pump all the water is gone anyway or just dont catch the wave so late

I really like the looks of the Axis boards. I just bought a new Axis foil kit and would kind of like to get their board as well so it matches. I like my gear to match when possible. I know, it's kind of stupid to a degree, but it's what I like. I've been trying to decide between a 5'10" F-One with 110L, a 5'8" KT wing drifter with 115L, a Slingshot wing raider XL which is supposed to be around 110-120L (don't know anything else about them yet). My two top contenders are the Axis Froth 5'6" 110L or the 5'8" 120L, with the 5'8" as my top choice so far.

I am 6'4" 225lbs and soon to be 53 years old. I don't get too much time on the water these days, so stability and volume is a big factor in what I am looking for. I have even been considering the 5'11" Axis @135L. As I improve I'd get a smaller board.

Another option is the Axis 6'8" 160L for winging and SUP Foiling and also buy either the 5'6" or 5'8" Axis Froth as well.

Thoughts and input appreciated.

I took the plunge and ordered the 5'8" Froth

Can't beat full carbon/pvc sandwich construction for strength and durability, it used to be heavier than other types of construction but not nowadays........ONE boards seem to have lightest versions of this type of construction and that would be my first choice and best bang for your buck, otherwise Armstrong are good but expensive.

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kobo said..
Can't beat full carbon/pvc sandwich construction for strength and durability, it used to be heavier than other types of construction but not nowadays........ONE boards seem to have lightest versions of this type of construction and that would be my first choice and best bang for your buck, otherwise Armstrong are good but expensive.

I'm real anxious to get it. Hopefully it will be here before Christmas, but I doubt it.

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excav8ter said..
I took the plunge and ordered the 5'8" Froth

did you order the new one?

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randomfoiler said..

excav8ter said..
I took the plunge and ordered the 5'8" Froth

did you order the new one?

Yeah. I know very little about them unfortunately. My local shop wasn't planning on carrying them, they may change their mind since they will have my two on display for a few days or weeks.

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Yeah. I know very little about them unfortunately. My local shop wasn't planning on carrying them, they may change their mind since they will have my two on display for a few days or weeks.

Can you try to find out more about the thickness of these boards? Your shop might know?
I would like to order one of the smaller ones but can't find the full specs...

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randomfoiler said..

Can you try to find out more about the thickness of these boards?

Thickness is worthless information.

3 numbers tell the complete story. Length, width, volume. Thickness is whatever it took to hit volume number shaper wanted.

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DWF said..

randomfoiler said..

Can you try to find out more about the thickness of these boards?

Thickness is worthless information.

3 numbers tell the complete story. Length, width, volume. Thickness is whatever it took to hit volume number shaper wanted.

so you are saying 4cm between your feet and the foil are going to feel exactly like 14cm between your feet and the foil?

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randomfoiler said..
so you are saying 4cm between your feet and the foil are going to feel exactly like 14cm between your feet and the foil?

More like 89cm versus 99cm between your feet and the foil (assuming an 85cm mast). Some difference, but not necessarily huge.

For SUP foil or wing boards with volume greater than your bodyweight, I personally think concave decks are overrated, the loss of volume is too great, so the board has to be bigger to compensate. I've owned two concave deck boards, the One recessed deck model and the Fanatic Sky Wing, and wasn't wild about the concave deck on either.

To clarify that I'm not bagging all concave deck boards, I don't think the above comments apply to sinker wing boards and prone boards, where static stability is not such an issue

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Pacey said..

randomfoiler said..
so you are saying 4cm between your feet and the foil are going to feel exactly like 14cm between your feet and the foil?

More like 89cm versus 99cm between your feet and the foil (assuming an 85cm mast). Some difference, but not necessarily huge.

For SUP foil or wing boards with volume greater than your bodyweight, I personally think concave decks are overrated, the loss of volume is too great, so the board has to be bigger to compensate. I've owned two concave deck boards, the One recessed deck model and the Fanatic Sky Wing, and wasn't wild about the concave deck on either.

To clarify that I'm not bagging all concave deck boards, I don't think the above comments apply to sinker wing boards and prone boards, where static stability is not such an issue

So this is interesting.
I have never really noticed the concave on bigger boards either (simply because I wouldn't stand where it was most pronounced)
But I really like it now on on my 5' 2'' x 23'' with 65L where I can access it with my foot and it gives me a bit more control ...

Now, the reason I started this thread is because I am torn between the 4'4'' x 22" FROTH @45L and the PUMP 4'6''x20.5" @37L
I (75kg) currently use a 65L as my light-wind board and want the new one to replace my sinker.
My current sinker is too long with 5'6" x 20" x 2 1/8" 36L. I prefer using my 65L most of the time.

The 65L is 4.9 inches thick, which is > twice - but I don't "feel the foil" differently which I assumed to be lack of experience.
It was my understanding that thinner boards were better for pumping, and "closer to foil" meant more "performance" (or lack of effort required on my part)
So I was going to base my decision on which one to get on their thickness.
I favour the shorter one of the two, but with more volume it is going to be thicker...

Anyone have firsthand experience now that the new Froths are out?

Mine finally came and I'm just waiting for mother nature to cooperate before I am able to give it a go.

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gneve said..
Anyone have firsthand experience now that the new Froths are out?

Mine finally came and I'm just waiting for mother nature to cooperate before I am able to give it a go.

which one did you get? what's the weight? ( you/board )