Hi all, looking for advice between standard or short fuse. By the info I found on AFS page difference is 3cm standard is 68cm and short is 65cm. At the moment I have Silk 850 and Pure 700 v2 which I haven't ridden yet. I'm considering this fuselage if potentially I would get detachable silk or enduro for travel not because of inconvenience but because I'm afraid of monoblock foil getting damaged in transport because it's wider than my board so it's less protected. I can't imagine riding bigger foil than Silk 850 or enduro 800, maybe enduro 900. I like to ride waves like Silk likes to be ridden. I'm considering short fuse because I have read Bryan's comment about feeling that Silk 850 is the stiffness in the range. I don't particularly feel that I would need it much looser but than again it feels very stable for me and I ride it with 132 stab. I also got ug39. But more agility and potentially maybe better pump wouldn't hurt. Thanks for your insight!

I have both the mono Silk and the modular silk 850 (which I bought for travel). Im totally happy on the standard fuse on the modular setup. I normally ride it in the short position, but in very fast conditions it can get pitchy and I prefer the long position. Personally wouldn't really want to go shorter. If you like the way the mono Silk rides, then get the standard.

I prefer using the standard fuselage with the smaller modular foils (Enduro 900, Silk 850). This is winging, parawinging, Foil Drive-ing.

I use the short fuselage with the bigger foils (Enduro 1300, Enduro 1100, Silk 1050)

I always use the shorter stabilizer position

There is now a Fuselink Advanced fuselage, 65cm long. Anyone know when to use this compared to the Standard 68cm one? Reads like not only shorter but slightly different shape and maybe stab and foil angles?

Might be confusing myself here but AFS say about shims "These shims optimize the ULTRA’s performance when used with the standard FUSELINK fuselage, mimicking the feel of the titanium fuselage. On the ULTRA + FUSELINK + U-GLIDE setup, you should shim the stabilizer down by positioning the thick part of the shim under the rear screw." An interview said the forthcoming Titanium fuse was like the Advanced carbon but slimmer, so has different angles than the Standard. They also say "The silk V2 and U-Surf have evolved shim angles compared to the rest of the range. Reduced stabilizer angle + increased SILK angle"
Putting that together sounds like the Advanced fuse gives any stab a shallower angle, and the U-surf has a shallower angle built into it too.

Velocicraptor said..

patronus said..
Might be confusing myself here but AFS say about shims "These shims optimize the ULTRA's performance when used with the standard FUSELINK fuselage, mimicking the feel of the titanium fuselage. On the ULTRA + FUSELINK + U-GLIDE setup, you should shim the stabilizer down by positioning the thick part of the shim under the rear screw." An interview said the forthcoming Titanium fuse was like the Advanced carbon but slimmer, so has different angles than the Standard. They also say "The silk V2 and U-Surf have evolved shim angles compared to the rest of the range. Reduced stabilizer angle + increased SILK angle"
Putting that together sounds like the Advanced fuse gives any stab a shallower angle, and the U-surf has a shallower angle built into it too.

That's all very confusing. Where did you see that? I hope Afs isn't getting into the shim game. That would be a mistake. The gear rides great out of the box and I thankfully haven't had to shim anything (yet).

why wouldn't they just keep the fuses the same and build the shim into the wings and stabilizers rather than having fuses with different angles. Makes no sense.

I cannot paste links into this post but you can find same:
1. Search AFS site for "Stabilizer Shim Set - AFS" then click on 'Dimensions'
2. Search Youtube for 'Overview of AFS Foils Fuselage' and play from 3:40
3. A Chat conversation with AFS after reading 'Quiver Tips' on the AFS product page for Silk V2.
"You say 'The silk V2 and U-Surf have evolved shim angles compared to the rest of the range. Reduced stabilizer angle + increased SILK angle = naturally reduced rake for better control in committed carves.' If that means the Silk V2 angle to the stabliser is increased will my board wing more nose down? " " Hi yes exactly with the new silk you will need to put the foil a little more in the front of the box as you are used to" Maybe some mis understanding here as I thought at a particular speed the front foil will always sail at a specific angle relative to the flow of water, so moving the mast forward won't change that and I woud still be nose down.


I am thinking of moving to AFS but this confusion/complication puts me off.

The Omen Foils video "How does Baseplate Shimming Work?" says different. At a specific speed and sailor weight there is only one angle the foil can be at, so to stop your board being nose down you must shim the mast-board. Says the stab size, angle and fuse length changes front foot pressure (how much of your weight goes through front and back feet to keep foil at the required angle)

@Patronus - it is a bit confusing but BWalnut has it right I think. It's a fuse with a standard length fuse front, a short fuse out back plus some angle taken out of the stab, to better match the Ultra's intended purpose, hence the talk about shimming.

Personally I only own the short fuse and use it for the E900 and up, mainly as my smaller foils have been monoblock (Ultra and P700). I got my hands on the Silk v2 750 and didn't give me what I was after on the standard fuse (it felt too similar in turning to my E900 on the short fuse) but once on the short fuse it all came alive and got the instant roll reaction I was looking for. This was doing PW laps, in short steep wind against tide bumps, using skinny 80 ans UG41 stab. I fully accept that a USurf stab might have made the standard fuse feel better for me, but there aren't any around in the UK for me to try yet.
I have been very impressed with the agility of the UG41, and back to back test with the UC130 wasn't light and day different.