With advancement of board design what is your 2-board quiver for light wind winging and daily driver? Or maybe just a 1-board quiver for your weight. I am 80 kg looking for some board ideas.

Im the same weight.

My daily driver is a 5', 21", 60L board (just sized up from 4'9", 22, 60L), that I ride with straps and I can ride this board down to 12-13 knots. below 15 knots I usually transition to my lightwind board that is a 5'7, 21, 80L, which I ride without straps. If I did it again, that board would be 6'-6'3", 21" 80-90L. Im riding foils between 800-1050 with these boards, wings from 3-6m, 10-35knots wind (could use a smaller foil at the top end).

For what its worth, I am riding all types of conditions, from surf, flatwater, downwind winging, and some rudimentary freestyle (jumping). If I wasn't jumping my quiver might skew slightly longer. Been winging for 4-5 years.

My current quiver is a 5'10" x 20.5" 80L and an 8'0" DW board for when it's really light. I'm 95kg, so the 80 is a semi-sinker but still has enough float to stay on the surface through lulls. Wings 5.5 to 3.0, foils 1050cm2 to 800cm2, but mostly use my 950 & 800

Next round I'm going 6'0" x 19.5" 80L and 5'7" x 18.25" 65L for the daily drivers. I've found my current wing board is super fun for prone and the new ones are a little more optimized for prone and should have a bit better bottom end winging as well.

My weight is 78 kg and I wingfoiling on the lakes with gusty and unstable conditions.
Last year my only driver was AK Phaser 5'8 90L. Very good board but wanted to push margin in lower wind or to use smaller wings and foils. so this year I ordered Takoon Escape SW 6'8 100L board. Next week it should come.

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Ingenuity said..
With advancement of board design what is your 2-board quiver for light wind winging and daily driver? Or maybe just a 1-board quiver for your weight. I am 80 kg looking for some board ideas.

I would go -25L and plus 10L. The large one narrow and longer, the small one depends on what you are after

85KG rider - just got a used 21" x 5'11" 90L going to be my one board quiver this year. Not doing jumps. Lucky to be in a place that gets consistent wind above 10 knotts all summer.Just had my first session with a cab ha1000 foil - it started out really light, i think around 8-13. Was happy to have my 7m wing. Was so nice to have a board that kept its speed in between pumps. my 26 inch wide board would slow down soo fast if i wasn't pumping. Feel like a lot of people want to buy a downwind boards for light wind winging so that they can have a 5.5/6m max wing at those low wind days, I personally like my 7m so don't mind that my big wing will still be in rotation. Excited however to generally be able to downsize my wing as I get more comfortable and confident on this board. It can be a little bit harder to stand up on in heavier chop - but I only had 1 session and still getting used to it - so not super worried.

72kg rider and my quiver is currently three boards (hoping to narrow down to two soon):- 48L Omen Flux (higher wind, jumping, wave riding)- 75L Axis Froth (great all around board that works from 12kts and up)- 6'3" DW board (new acquisition for prone DW and light wind winging)In the future, the plan is to keep the DW board and consolidate the two other boards into a 60-65L, all around board.

85kg dry and 99kg with all my wet winter gear on.

My 85l Carver is all I desire at this point. 5'10"x20" covers my lightwind needs. The boxes are naturally far forward making it ride short. Having it built in vapor and coming in at 4.89kg makes it lighter than anything of equal size and equivalent in weight to many 55-60l production boards. This further eliminates any "swingweight" concerns. Closest I've found for comparison is that this board feels like a little 5'1" in the air but takes off like a short DW board in the water.

I'm traveling this week and can't bring myself to risk flying with my Carver and will bring my old Kalama as my "zero consequence" board. So, I guess if I was going to get another board I would want the worlds greatest inflatable to make traveling cheap and loaning boards to friends worry free!

I ride mostly on fresh water, not much wind in my area. My typically day is like 8 gusting to 18 knts once in a while...but mainly 8-14. I like to jump. I did several test from 60% my weight to 150% my weight on same model of board, all f-one rocket wing.The best setup for a one board do it all for me would would be about 80% of my weight. With that, if I can move fwd and have enough wind in my wing to have at least a very low pull, I'll will keep balance...and the get up and go is almost identical as the larger in marginal wind. In 12knts, it will get up and go earlier than the bigger board. I never tried a downwind board however, so I assume dw board are a lot better in low wind..but you DW board are not meant to jump, so that is out of the equation for a one board quiver for myself. But I do have 4 years of experience in foiling.

I ride a 58L wing board above 15kts, and a 99L wing-sup in light or unpredictable wind. Depending on wetsuit, I'm about 65-75kg.

75 kg
50 ltr for anything from 13 knots up on Axis Pros (1001/1051)
80 ltr for low wind days on Axis 999 and HPS 1050

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bolocom said..

Ingenuity said..
With advancement of board design what is your 2-board quiver for light wind winging and daily driver? Or maybe just a 1-board quiver for your weight. I am 80 kg looking for some board ideas.

I would go -25L and plus 10L. The large one narrow and longer, the small one depends on what you are after

As percentages of your weight in kg, that's about 30% below and about 12% above.
It's a good suggestion, but there's also a lot of assumptions (wind/waves/experience) that go into those numbers.
Unless you are experienced or have consistent waves/swell, I would suggest slightly larger, say 12% below and 30% above, to give yourself a little more comfort on both heavy- and light- wind days.

FWIW daily driver is 138 x 57cms @ 65l for 63.5kgs (dry, so more with full winter gear) can sit comfortably, can kneel and paddle, can sit forward and paddle, quite dynamic in heavy chop with gusty winds when getting up, feels like balancing on a golf ball, almost perfect the rest of the time - haven't ventured out into other shapes and sizes, usually foil a large slow foil overpowered and currently experimenting again with mast position to tune the ride

Over the weekend I rode a 100l, 65l and 45l with a takoon xs940 and swapping between a reptile bora v2 4.2 and 5.0 to maintain similar wing power in the changing, gusty lake conditions (we had +- 15-25kts).

The 100l is a 2yo chubby custom (4'9 x 28") at 5.8kg. The smaller two are DIY boards from last summer (picture below). 65l is a freestyle wing board with a more traditional boxy shape (4'9 x 24", left) that has an indestructible carbon pvc construction with heavy duty foil box at 5.1kg. I build the 45l (5'0 x 20", right) as a light, fiberglass + carbon reinforcement at 3.5kg, prone board but it seemed appropriate to give it a spin with the wing as well for the purpose of comparison. With a winter wetsuit I probably weigh around 95kg. Here are my findings:

The sinker boards seem to have a relatively similar low end, i.e. +-3 knots more than the floater. Essentially, you need wing power to get to your feet. Once on your feet, it's easy to take off. This is surprising since the 45l sinks much more, but it is so slippery.

In the air the 45l was fractionally better in all regards compared to the 65l: slightly better at touchdowns, a bit more nimble,. The 45l outperformed the freestyle board by a fair amount when pumping in the swell (likely because it's 25% slimmer). The 45l was however a bit less forgiving. I felt no difference in (swing)weight. In fact, I'd make the 45l heavier because it feels less stiff when pushing for speed than the 65l.

Overall, I'd be happy to have either one of the smaller boards in a 2 board quiver. It's not that much of a difference imo

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BoardMaverick said..

bolocom said..

Ingenuity said..
With advancement of board design what is your 2-board quiver for light wind winging and daily driver? Or maybe just a 1-board quiver for your weight. I am 80 kg looking for some board ideas.

I would go -25L and plus 10L. The large one narrow and longer, the small one depends on what you are after

As percentages of your weight in kg, that's about 30% below and about 12% above.
It's a good suggestion, but there's also a lot of assumptions (wind/waves/experience) that go into those numbers.
Unless you are experienced or have consistent waves/swell, I would suggest slightly larger, say 12% below and 30% above, to give yourself a little more comfort on both heavy- and light- wind days.

IMO when a board doesn't sink enough it becomes very uncomfortable. You have to fight the board trying to float, with the swell also pushing the board around. When the board it's deeper it becomes more stable, and it's also easier to go under the wing to start. At 88kg without gear I had a 75l that was hard to ride, went 60l and everything was easier. The additional wind I need to get up on the 60 it is marginal.I also have 120l sup foil board that I wing when it's under 12knots. Happy with the combo

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bolocom said..

BoardMaverick said..

bolocom said..

Ingenuity said..
With advancement of board design what is your 2-board quiver for light wind winging and daily driver? Or maybe just a 1-board quiver for your weight. I am 80 kg looking for some board ideas.

I would go -25L and plus 10L. The large one narrow and longer, the small one depends on what you are after

As percentages of your weight in kg, that's about 30% below and about 12% above.
It's a good suggestion, but there's also a lot of assumptions (wind/waves/experience) that go into those numbers.
Unless you are experienced or have consistent waves/swell, I would suggest slightly larger, say 12% below and 30% above, to give yourself a little more comfort on both heavy- and light- wind days.

IMO when a board doesn't sink enough it becomes very uncomfortable. You have to fight the board trying to float, with the swell also pushing the board around. When the board it's deeper it becomes more stable, and it's also easier to go under the wing to start. At 88kg without gear I had a 75l that was hard to ride, went 60l and everything was easier. The additional wind I need to get up on the 60 it is marginal.I also have 120l sup foil board that I wing when it's under 12knots. Happy with the combo

I understand what you mean about corkiness! It is a struggle. But, I'm often challenged for wind, and so really appreciate the extra volume. Im learning how to deal with the cork. Using my wing as a pontoon, staying low, finding the absolute center of the board, and practice .

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BoardMaverick said..

bolocom said..

BoardMaverick said..

bolocom said..

Ingenuity said..
With advancement of board design what is your 2-board quiver for light wind winging and daily driver? Or maybe just a 1-board quiver for your weight. I am 80 kg looking for some board ideas.

I would go -25L and plus 10L. The large one narrow and longer, the small one depends on what you are after

As percentages of your weight in kg, that's about 30% below and about 12% above.
It's a good suggestion, but there's also a lot of assumptions (wind/waves/experience) that go into those numbers.
Unless you are experienced or have consistent waves/swell, I would suggest slightly larger, say 12% below and 30% above, to give yourself a little more comfort on both heavy- and light- wind days.

IMO when a board doesn't sink enough it becomes very uncomfortable. You have to fight the board trying to float, with the swell also pushing the board around. When the board it's deeper it becomes more stable, and it's also easier to go under the wing to start. At 88kg without gear I had a 75l that was hard to ride, went 60l and everything was easier. The additional wind I need to get up on the 60 it is marginal.I also have 120l sup foil board that I wing when it's under 12knots. Happy with the combo

I understand what you mean about corkiness! It is a struggle. But, I'm often challenged for wind, and so really appreciate the extra volume. Im learning how to deal with the cork. Using my wing as a pontoon, staying low, finding the absolute center of the board, and practice .

In my experience there is not real benefit having extra volume, a smaller board will get up on pretty much the same wind. In other words if it is too light for a 60l I will also be too light for a 60l. The 60 will be noticeable more comfortable.

Thanks. For myself, I am having more success launching with a board that is ~0.77 L-per-kg, than with my sinker-sinker which is ~0.52 L-per-kg. I start from a straddle/rodeo, to knees, to standing. The extra volume also helps to recover after jumps.

I'm not saying that 0.77 is the magic number for everyone for their smaller board. Not even sure there should be a magic number.
What works best for an individual will likely depend on wing, foil, and launching technique. But, personally, I think there are techniques that one can learn to manage the corkiness of boards in this range and benefits to having a little extra volume instead of going with a sinker-sinker.

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BoardMaverick said..
Thanks. For myself, I am having more success launching with a board that is ~0.77 L-per-kg, than with my sinker-sinker which is ~0.52 L-per-kg. I start from a straddle/rodeo, to knees, to standing. The extra volume also helps to recover after jumps.

I'm not saying that 0.77 is the magic number for everyone for their smaller board. Not even sure there should be a magic number.
What works best for an individual will likely depend on wing, foil, and launching technique. But, personally, I think there are techniques that one can learn to manage the corkiness of boards in this range and benefits to having a little extra volume instead of going with a sinker-sinker.

Sure, also water condition has a massive impact. In flat water you can ride anything. With large chop and strong wind, corkiness becomes a real problem, and a sinker will be more comfortable for most people.