Wonder if these sailors had a beer with the surfers in the pub afterwards...

Great video for surfer - windsurfer public relations -

I suppose it really depends on who was out first - if your already sailing and then surfers join you they have to deal with it - it's selfish hitting it if there's already 6 crew surfing the peak - that is a true description of windsurfing kooks

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russh said...

that is a true description of windsurfing kooks

Totally agree, seeing as it was a grovel for the windsurfers they should never have been out there. They were on the wrong gear for the day and probably ruining the break for the surfers that were out.

i guess i don't agree.

i reckon if you're good enough to take a shortboard out and score some clean waves then good luck to you. i don't see the difference.

watching the vid i was wondering why the surfers kept paddling out through the impact zone on a reef break instead of around the shoulder.

also wondered why the surfers kept dropping in on the windsurfers.

I thought a Guadeloupe was a fruit

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Gestalt said...

i guess i don't agree.

i reckon if you're good enough to take a shortboard out and score some clean waves then good luck to you. i don't see the difference.

watching the vid i was wondering why the surfers kept paddling out through the impact zone on a reef break instead of around the shoulder.

also wondered why the surfers kept dropping in on the windsurfers.

Obviously you've never surfed a reef break with half a dozen windsurfers - ignorance is bliss

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aus301 said...
Totally agree, seeing as it was a grovel for the windsurfers they should never have been out there. They were on the wrong gear for the day...

If that was the case not a soul in NSW would every get to go wave sailing

hi russh,

just because a windsurfer or a longboard or sup can pickup a wave further out doesn't mean they are snaking everyone.

Gestalt, you are correct, however generally most surfers dont really get a big buzz out of wavesailers boring down the line at them on a quality wave. It might be ok if they are your mates but sometimes a bit of respect goes a long way and perhaps leave your sailing till it gets windier,and, or the surfers are out of the line up.

However, i can understand that it becomes a bit more of a free for all on the East coast, as stehsegler said. SA spots are generally a bit more remote and not highly populated so it helps to be friends with others using the break

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Gestalt said...

hi russh,

just because a windsurfer or a longboard or sup can pickup a wave further out doesn't mean they are snaking everyone.

No one mentioned SUPS or Longboards - windsurfers invading peaks in borderline conditions with half a dozen surfers is just something we dont do down this way - cause there is always somewhere else to sail and my opinion is that crew that do it are fairly inconsiderate

that's probably as windy as it got, otherwise there would probably be footage of when it picked up. i love wave sailing when the wind is light, clean waves are bliss.

looks to me like the sailors are respecting the surfers, straighening out to avoid collision ect. I've seen far less respect for surfers at gerroa than in this vid.

as a sailor you have to give give a little to the surfers if its a decent surfing wave, not just think every bomb wave is yours because you can take it. if you can sail it in those conditions you have just as much right to be out as the surfers.

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Bondage said...
[However, i can understand that it becomes a bit more of a free for all on the East coast, as stehsegler said. SA spots are generally a bit more remote and not highly populated so it helps to be friends with others using the break

I think you would get your head punched in if you tried that on the Sunny coast or Gold coast. Without kowing the scenario of who was there first ect I would put them in the windsurfing Kooks pile .

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Bondage said...
[However, i can understand that it becomes a bit more of a free for all on the East coast, as stehsegler said. SA spots are generally a bit more remote and not highly populated so it helps to be friends with others using the break

I think you would get your head punched in if you tried that on the Sunny coast or Gold coast. Without kowing the scenario of who was there first ect I would put them in the windsurfing Kooks pile .

"I was here first rah rah rah". "I'm a local, locals only rah rah rah". It's that sort of ****ed up attitude that makes me tar the entire population of surfers with the same brush; that is, a complete bunch of utter wankers. Contrary to popular surfer opinion, they do not in fact own the ocean, nor do they in fact have 'dibs'. Now obviously IRL you need to make judgement calls RE your own personal safety as the aforementioned wankers are known to get bee's in their bonnet when 'their wave' is shared by others. I see no reason why a windsurfer is any different to another surfer in the water, as Dunko says if you're good enough to be there, that should be enough...but alas.

It's easy to make relatively **** surf look good with a windsurfer. So many times i'll be sailing at my local, bunch of surfers paddle out right where I am and proceed to death stare me. So i'll leave wave after wave after wave for the clowns, they catch like 5 waves IN AN HOUR, meanwhile i've just let 20 good waves go by to appease these arse clowns.

Sharing is caring, pretty much a one sided policy though in almost every single encounter if had with a surfer/s.

Ok, so now I need one of those 104L Goya Quads for days like that.

Regardless of who was there first, there is a lot of skill there to be sailing so well in so little wind.

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that's probably as windy as it got, otherwise there would probably be footage of when it picked up.

When the wind picked up to over 10 knots the kiters rocked up and ruined it form everyone

I suppose my attitude comes from past experiences - and the fact that we dont have the crowds locally that the east coast does.

Funny in the 80's and 90's (pre taking up wavesailing) when surfing was the one and only for me I always thought the "windwankers" were the arse clowns especially at a far west location when 6 of them at a time would take over the break with their wanky pink sails, fluoro sailboards and stink eye attitude - but no one said anything for fear of death - or worse 4 flat tyres a long way from the nearest tyre store.

I just didnt realise how much more fun they were having till later in life

@russh,

there are plenty of uncrowded breaks on the east coast. and plenty of breaks where people like to take turns.

usually the agro tend to need to be seen at a particular break because they read in a mag it goes off.

@CJW

+1000

unfortunately it's not about whether you're on a windsurfer or not. these same people treat all others the same way, whether you're on a windsurfer, a ski, a mal, a boogie board or even if they deem you not good enough to be surfing the same wave as them.

The green goya sail is a 4.7m??
goes to show that you dont need a big wavesail - even if the wind is light.

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mahi said...

The green goya sail is a 4.7m??
goes to show that you dont need a big wavesail - even if the wind is light.

I have changed my opinion along those lines as well. As long as you have a floaty enough board I think in sub planing conditions you are better off with a 5.0 then a 6.2 or 5.8. It's easier to handle a 5.0 and dog out than fight a 6.2 once you get on a wave.

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ggh said...

Bondage said...
[However, i can understand that it becomes a bit more of a free for all on the East coast, as stehsegler said. SA spots are generally a bit more remote and not highly populated so it helps to be friends with others using the break

I think you would get your head punched in if you tried that on the Sunny coast or Gold coast. Without kowing the scenario of who was there first ect I would put them in the windsurfing Kooks pile .

. I see no reason why a windsurfer is any different to another surfer in the water, as Dunko says if you're good enough to be there, that should be enough...but alas.

.

Sailboards and kiteboards are classified as Vessels and therefore come under the QLD / NSW marine legislation . Under this legislation these sail powered vessels must give way to nonpowered vessels ( Surfers kayaks, swimmers ) infact there is a distance of 50 or 60m must be maintianed . Not sure if there is anything in the COREGS on the subject.

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ggh said...

Sailboards and kiteboards are classified as Vessels and therefore come under the QLD / NSW marine legislation . Under this legislation these sail powered vessels must give way to nonpowered vessels ( Surfers kayaks, swimmers ) infact there is a distance of 50 or 60m must be maintianed . Not sure if there is anything in the COREGS on the subject.

this is not correct.

far from it.

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Gestalt said...

ggh said...

Sailboards and kiteboards are classified as Vessels and therefore come under the QLD / NSW marine legislation . Under this legislation these sail powered vessels must give way to nonpowered vessels ( Surfers kayaks, swimmers ) infact there is a distance of 50 or 60m must be maintianed . Not sure if there is anything in the COREGS on the subject.

this is not correct.

far from it.

Its in the Austalian Boating Manual
Chapter 12 Australian boating regulations surveys and pollution control
page 282 Sub heading Speed Limits restrictions and limitations . It covers what a vessel is.

I was incorrect about the distance its 20m if the vessel is traveling faster than 6kn.

msq and mnsw are not the same departments. they have different regs.

in qld you must do <6kn within 30m of people swimming. it does not say anywhere you have to stay a certain distance away from swimmers, only that if your speed exceeds 6 knots you must be more than 30m away. a canoe is also considered a vessel as well as a surfski.

kitesurfers i believe must stay 30m away regardless of speed.

http://www.msq.qld.gov.au/~/media/1d0f1f47-b900-4c22-9dfd-30f0e4a7130d/rec_guide_2011_2012.pdf

in nsw kitesurfers and sailboards are in the same category and there is an additional requirement to stay more than 60m away when travelling more than 10 knots.

there is also conditions placed around swimming areas like at the surf beaches.

so are the dudes in the video doing more than 6 knots within 30m of the surfers.

maybe once or twice when on the wave but generally no, there is no wind

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Gestalt said...

ggh said...

Sailboards and kiteboards are classified as Vessels and therefore come under the QLD / NSW marine legislation . Under this legislation these sail powered vessels must give way to nonpowered vessels ( Surfers kayaks, swimmers ) infact there is a distance of 50 or 60m must be maintianed . Not sure if there is anything in the COREGS on the subject.

this is not correct.

far from it.

Its in the Austalian Boating Manual
Chapter 12 Australian boating regulations surveys and pollution control
page 282 Sub heading Speed Limits restrictions and limitations . It covers what a vessel is.

I was incorrect about the distance its 20m if the vessel is traveling faster than 6kn.

Had to know this to get my boat license a few years ago, Sailboard is a non-powered vessel according to the NSW Maritime hand book

Picture is pulled from the handbook and it clearly shows that a sailboat/sailboard is considered in the same way as swimmers and kayaks etc

www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html

yeah, here is the nsw ones specific to kites and windsurfers. note with kites it includes the kite and lines.

www.rms.nsw.gov.au/maritime/index.html

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CJW said...

ggh said...

Bondage said...
[However, i can understand that it becomes a bit more of a free for all on the East coast, as stehsegler said. SA spots are generally a bit more remote and not highly populated so it helps to be friends with others using the break

I think you would get your head punched in if you tried that on the Sunny coast or Gold coast. Without kowing the scenario of who was there first ect I would put them in the windsurfing Kooks pile .

. I see no reason why a windsurfer is any different to another surfer in the water, as Dunko says if you're good enough to be there, that should be enough...but alas.

.

Sailboards and kiteboards are classified as Vessels and therefore come under the QLD / NSW marine legislation . Under this legislation these sail powered vessels must give way to nonpowered vessels ( Surfers kayaks, swimmers ) infact there is a distance of 50 or 60m must be maintianed . Not sure if there is anything in the COREGS on the subject.

Turn it up hahahaha. While technically the rules, they are pretty ridiculous. I've been sailing in the waves for ~ 10 years and have never hit anyone, ever. During that time i've seen a shirtload of surfers hit swimmers, other surfers. We could easily co-exist in harmony, unfortunately 90% of the time the ability to play nice and share the beautiful world we live in is pretty one sided.

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Gestalt said...

msq and mnsw are not the same departments. they have different regs.

in qld you must do <6kn within 30m of people swimming. it does not say anywhere you have to stay a certain distance away from swimmers, only that if your speed exceeds 6 knots you must be more than 30m away. a canoe is also considered a vessel as well as a surfski.

kitesurfers i believe must stay 30m away regardless of speed.

http://www.msq.qld.gov.au/~/media/1d0f1f47-b900-4c22-9dfd-30f0e4a7130d/rec_guide_2011_2012.pdf

in nsw kitesurfers and sailboards are in the same category and there is an additional requirement to stay more than 60m away when travelling more than 10 knots.

there is also conditions placed around swimming areas like at the surf beaches.

so are the dudes in the video doing more than 6 knots within 30m of the surfers.

maybe once or twice when on the wave but generally no, there is no wind

ggh said...

Gestalt said...

ggh said...

Sailboards and kiteboards are classified as Vessels and therefore come under the QLD / NSW marine legislation . Under this legislation these sail powered vessels must give way to nonpowered vessels ( Surfers kayaks, swimmers ) infact there is a distance of 50 or 60m must be maintianed . Not sure if there is anything in the COREGS on the subject.

this is not correct.

far from it.

Its in the Austalian Boating Manual
Chapter 12 Australian boating regulations surveys and pollution control
page 282 Sub heading Speed Limits restrictions and limitations . It covers what a vessel is.

I was incorrect about the distance its 20m if the vessel is traveling faster than 6kn.

yer I watched and rewatched that vid trying to determin what speed they are travelling at.

^^lol,

i started wondering the same thing also. i found some info on surfline website that said to calculate the speed of a wave multiply the swell period by 1.5

so i looked up currumbin.

swell period = 9 sec

speed = 13.5 knots.

but that's in deep water so it will be less as the wave is breaking.

http://www.surfline.com/surf-science/how-do-we-get-surf---forecaster-blog_56731/

still none of this will stop you getting sued if you run someone over.