Looking good just throw the rig forward!!!

For sure I will do my best!!!

Earlier attempts had a bit more forward motion but not as fast or "raised."
These ones pictured above had good lift but not the commitment of the first attempts!!! Today it is!!!!!

Good to see you back at it in earnest! However.... look at your arms! ... still seem much too bent...

Practice jumping and being over your board and not far back. Will ne way easier!

Yes I actually straighten my front arm at first but pull on it once in the air.
On the last few sessions, I have been keeping it straight, better!

Now onto doing that and tuck my rear leg and look back sheeting in with all I got.
It's funny but from Day 1 to now I must be at 70% from waterstarting, maybe more?
With nearly 900 attempts, each attempt counted as 0.077% improvement. Ouaou :D !!!!!
Actually the first 2-3 are the most productive, then later in the day, nothing is usually done better.
What can be better is the setup (the wave, the speed) but the move is usually less and less committed with time.

Hoping to close the remaining 25-30% in the next couple of weeks.

1. This is achievable as a first stage (kind of :D !)



2. Ideally, what I would like to do, so beautiful



3. Quite flat water spin loop, very well executed, great pop and sail control.

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Yes I actually straighten my front arm at first but pull on it once in the air.
On the last few sessions, I have been keeping it straight, better!

Now onto doing that and tuck my rear leg and look back sheeting in with all I got.
It's funny but from Day 1 to now I must be at 70% from waterstarting, maybe more?
With nearly 900 attempts, each attempt counted as 0.077% improvement. Ouaou :D !!!!!
Actually the first 2-3 are the most productive, then later in the day, nothing is usually done better.
What can be better is the setup (the wave, the speed) but the move is usually less and less committed with time.

Hoping to close the remaining 25-30% in the next couple of weeks.

Have your ever tried a different position for your gopro to get another view of your loop technique? for eg. mounting the camera on your head like in the video below? Also it might help if someone take a video of you from the beach.

The angle is a bit weird for this move, a mast mount would be a good complement. Anyway, I think I've finally got it. Basically pop with front hand up and windward of nose, bearing off with the board and leaning forward/sideways with body, both arms extended. Then, keep front arm straight sheet in and bring board under bum.

Now I need to do this with more speed or a higher ramp or both because I'm short on clearance when just powered up and cannot keep my board.

991 attempts. Maybe next session :D !? Sounds too familiar, but at least now, since I've been bearing off my crashes are loops that lack height and rotation not just random crashes. I did get a strong back slap today, I'm hoping a more sideways rotation helps since I don't go so high...

Wow this topilc is very well covered,!!!!
Manuel you have your own forum blog as well i found.
Nice topic very well covered. But geez this has been going on a bit mate.

Hope you pull one soon, for all our sake

Thanks mate, 997 attempts as of yesterday :) ! 3 more and we're good but what a quest. I guess it's been only 1 year+ and sometimes it takes more time than tries to assimilate something.
I still can't believe the difference between front loop and back loop in terms of what needs to be done. A backloop can be landed without doing anything at all while the front loop, pop tall, tuck, etc, for me, super complicated!!!!
Had a nice try yesterday throwing the move right off of the wave (and not a split second after) but still need a straighter front arm, sheet in harder, keep front arm straight, tuck under back leg, etc. It's always more and more with this move. It does feel like with each try it becomes natural but wow so much needs to be done to get it inside of us.

If your on Facebook have a look at the 360 degree video posted by Continentseven. It's great to see forward and backward loops from all angles. I tried to post link but it won't play.

How does on get to see it? I saw that it may need special VR goggles?

A few observations from this video:
- Sometimes he waits a while before pulling the trigger? (waiting to hit the right chop angle?)
- His first forwards are amazing and slowly get sloppy
- He appears a bit underpowered without going super fast
- His pop is somewhat low but the way the board comes back around seems lightening fast!



1038 attempts over here... slow slow progress. I don't have a good one off of a proper wave or with enough speed. Sometimes I can waterstart away but without the board.

A little off topic... but there are some fronts in there too!

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Speaking as someone who did his share of pantsing around while learning them: go faster, pop harder, sheet in harder. COMMIT LIKE A DEMON. Wear some padding if it helps..

Ye gods man, end the pain for all of us!!!

Oooooh I think I got this... last thing I needed was a pop with body over the board, pressure from both legs as opposed to back foot!

Then curiously the nose of the board doesn't slow the rotation down! Got some neat attempts after I tried it, just needed a bit more wind as it was late in the session.

Will update tomorrow!!! So exciting, 1150 !!!

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Oooooh I think I got this... last thing I needed was a pop with body over the board, pressure from both legs as opposed to back foot!

Then curiously the nose of the board doesn't slow the rotation down! Got some neat attempts after I tried it, just needed a bit more wind as it was late in the session.

Will update tomorrow!!! So exciting, 1150 !!!

Pls post a video of the progress.

I am hoping to post some photos at the very least. So far I only have landings in the straps but sail too low to catch air and get up.

When I look at my photos earlier I am now more over board, my front leg is more bent and sail more forward. On that first photo I'm sending the board too much downwind in front of me. Now the feeling is to pop and try to leap ahead of the board.

At the pop I feel like it's important to drive the mast upwind of the nose of the board, this lets us safely try even while a bit more upwind (not advised until comfortable with the pop).

In that sense it's a bit like a front flip where we jump forward (extension) but roll into it (contraction). Such an odd move for me :D !

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I am hoping to post some photos at the very least. So far I only have landings in the straps but sail too low to catch air and get up.

When I look at my photos earlier I am now more over board, my front leg is more bent and sail more forward. On that first photo I'm sending the board too much downwind in front of me. Now the feeling is to pop and try to leap ahead of the board.

At the pop I feel like it's important to drive the mast upwind of the nose of the board, this lets us safely try even while a bit more upwind (not advised until comfortable with the pop).

In that sense it's a bit like a front flip where we jump forward (extension) but roll into it (contraction). Such an odd move for me :D !

Sounds like you are getting close... only thing from what you are saying it sounds to me like thinking you should " try to leap ahead of the board" might not be right. Rather it seems like thinking that "the sail will catapult you ahead of the board" is more accurate. That way you will know that you have to extend your front arm & sheet in to get the sail to pull you around.

In your opinion speed loop is a dangereus moves? I tried a couple but ....never really committed.

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In your opinion speed loop is a dangereus moves? I tried a couple but ....never really committed.

Generally speaking three types of forward-loops, a cheese-roll, a spin-loop and a killer-loop - what is a "speed loop" ?

You can rotate fast, which means you are more likely to land planing or over-rotate.
If you rotate fast enough (and are high enough), you can then do a double-loop.

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Manawa said..
In your opinion speed loop is a dangereus moves? I tried a couple but ....never really committed.

Generally speaking three types of forward-loops, a cheese-roll, a spin-loop and a killer-loop - what is a "speed loop" ?

You can rotate fast, which means you are more likely to land planing or over-rotate.
If you rotate fast enough (and are high enough), you can then do a double-loop.

ok thanks I was speaking about flat water ;)

To me, front or forward loop is when you go forward with your kit over a wave.

A spin loop is a more sideways forward where the rig is moved across the board.

A speed loop is a forward done over flat water, without the wave we need more speed (initial and rotational) and a more horizontal rotation (same as spin loop)...

Dangerous is relative. Main thing is to try them on a broad reach first. Never let go of the boom, or only back hand. Protect ears.

The way I approached them was dangerous for my front leg as I was leaning back at the pop. However, we can lean upwind but have to be popping the most upright possible in-between straps.

Manuel7
Hey mate how you going?
Are you trying to do a Foward Loop, or a flat water loop ( speed loop)?.
Flat water loop, no chop, super hard , self presevation comes to mind.
Especially being at your ripe old age of 30 years?

If you have waves ,or, 3 foot chop then get it wired , pop ,tuck, chuck.
Never let go, impact vests are great,.
Being Summer in your world we expect to hear that your loops have become second nature, and every one out of 10 are landed , at least in the water start position.
Go hard, don't think to much,
Nike, Just Do It.
Cool Brother??.

Hi guys thanks again much apprecitated, I am a good jumper but I don't know if try again speed loop or as soon as possible forward loop on the sea, why? because of my age 47 years old , I am able to surfing Oneye sometime I try a back loop but...... front loop is a big problem mha...

I personally prefer flat water with friendly usable downwind chop than onshore mess!

Now that I understood to pop upright with rig well forward and across of the nose of the board, it's been looping central at every session no matter the conditions. Progress has been tremendous.

Beyond age, I feel like the approach is more important as some people safely get into them, others (like me) hold back with every muscle of their body. But so long as one finds a way to try them without getting hurt it's all good.

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I personally prefer flat water with friendly usable downwind chop than onshore mess!

Now that I understood to pop upright with rig well forward and across of the nose of the board, it's been looping central at every session no matter the conditions. Progress has been tremendous.

Beyond age, I feel like the approach is more important as some people safely get into them, others (like me) hold back with every muscle of their body. But so long as one finds a way to try them without getting hurt it's all good.

Thanks Manuel7 I total agree with you. Let us know you progress and tips

Manuel,

would be great if you did the same posts when you learn on Port tack

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Hi guys thanks again much apprecitated, I am a good jumper but I don't know if try again speed loop or as soon as possible forward loop on the sea, why? because of my age 47 years old , I am able to surfing Oneye sometime I try a back loop but...... front loop is a big problem mha...

pussy maybe?



A spin-loop is easier than a back-loop, and you are less likely to get hurt.

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A spin-loop is easier than a back-loop, and you are less likely to get hurt.

Depends... was much much easier for me. Technically and psychologically.

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Manuel,

would be great if you did the same posts when you learn on Port tack

I can at least mirror the images. I've been wanting to try a few (and I believe it's good practice anyway) on Port. Reason I am not trying as often is because I want to save energy for good starboard attempts. It's also a bit messy and more downslope on the way back...

Back at it in 2 weeks!

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mathew said..

A spin-loop is easier than a back-loop, and you are less likely to get hurt.

Depends... was much much easier for me. Technically and psychologically.

Not depends... the pro's are doign stalled double's, yet no double-backies.... and when SQ says she hasn't got it nailed, then it must be harder.

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