I am making research for a freewave board about 75lts as my small board, i am 63kg and i already have a dyno 85, this will be used with 3.7 and 4.2 blades.
Planning to use it mostly trying to learn jumping and wave riding at 2-3mt reef break waves, strong sideshore winds. Olso sometimes will be used for bump and jump at choppy sea when it gets really windy at home spot.

Most freewaves go smallest 85lt, except fanatic fw te and patrik f-wave. And some custom boards. These options sounds good but i want to ask you your opinion if i should consider a proper wave board since I already have dyno 85 as freewave. Or stick with freewaves since i have very little wave experience and proper wave boards will slow my wave riding progress because they are hard to use.

Another thing is i met a quatro and goya distributor who can bring a board to me for a good price (still expensive though) this July, so i am tempted about Goya custom 3 pro 75 or Quatro cube pro 75. He says Goya would suit me better as its easier to keep speed in general, while you need to use the cube more rail to rail to work it properly.

Some advice please, thanks.

I'd go with the custom 3 of the two and expect to juggle fins a bit between roles. The guys riding them locally in the conditions you describe (I'm guessing you are fairly lightweight) seem to enjoy them.
From what they've said it's definitely a fast wave board which can crossover.

The other option I have experience with is a Simmer Quantum. They fit into the windswell/crossover category as well but also have a lot of fin tuning options with the 5 fin boxes.

As always, depends.
FWIW is livelier, quicker, earlier planing, glides better, jumps higher.
Wave has more control, turns smoother when powered, slower meaning more control, stays on water better when overpowered and won't plane when underpowered.
Livelier or more control?
In high wind and rough water?

As always, depends.
FWIW is livelier, quicker, earlier planing, glides better, jumps higher.
Wave has more control, turns smoother when powered, slower meaning more control, stays on water better when overpowered and won't plane when underpowered.
Livelier or more control?
In high wind and rough water?

My eyes are blue. Quatro .

I'll have to give this some thought.
It's a difficult question to answer - because there are so many variables involved here.
To start off, if you're 63kilos then 75litres is still a 'big' wave board.

OP said ".............mostly trying to learn jumping and wave riding at 2-3mt reef break waves, strong sideshore winds "


Thats real waveboard territory I reckon, especially as you have a freewave for the less full-on days.
If you can get stuff direct from Goya/Quatro maybe inquire if they have a proto or good secondhand custom under 70L?

Thanks for the replies.

Main dilemma is to go for a less extreme wave board or a small freewave board in order to progress faster in wave conditions as a beginner. I see that wave boards have no advantage over freewave boards except carving and grip on wave face so my logic says to go for a small freewave to be able to blast around easily too and stay away from big waves like 1,5mt+ till i get better.
But if there is no night and day difference in general usage difficulty, i can try a wave board maybe, if it wont slow my progression, and will be able to easily used on strong onshore winds, slow mushy 1-1,5mt sea waves, b&j at home spot (i will use this board for travel mostly).

75lt may be a big wave board for me but i want to go step by step, i can't even tack 85 most of the time yet.
I can't find any second hand wave board in Turkey, and its problem to import. Still checking from Greece but cant find the size usually.

"Livelier or more control?
In high wind and rough water?"
yes, more yes, yes ahnd yes :)

Turkey west coast?
Old bud M Brinkman taught there 6 years. Tiga
sponsored, he said pure wave boards didn't move quick enough for slow Med waves.
We did 3 South Padre trips together.
He was amazed how fast Davenport waves moved.

I think you'll find few people riding wave boards can tack them. Get something you enjoy on your waves and worry about the finer details later.
Also modern wave boards have far less rocker than in the past making them much more all round except for ones specifically marketed for powerful waves.
I blast on a wavy quad in onshore conditions, I just fin-up a bit.

Med waves are completely different from anything on W coast and slower than San Onefre-Trestles.

Alright, i think i will try a wave board then, thanks for info.

I just checked Goya/Quatro weights, they are very light, are they fragile boards?
I olso have nano2 option as i get pretty good deal for severne gear without tax.

No my home spot is not at west coast, its at south Marmara sea, Bursa/Eskel.
I sail west coast too, Ayvalik mostly as my ws buddy has a summer house there. There is a close by wave spot to Ayvalik, channel in Sigri/Lesvos, i will try in May, looks good enough.

Did you read my FW / Wave FAQ in my Board section of the Tips and Tricks page?

windsurfing.lepicture.com/tips-and-tricks/

Yes, i had gone through your website before, olso latest Fanatic comparison, great info, thank you.

I plan to come to Caberete next year, hope to see you on water :)

Side on usually favors fsw over pure wave.

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LeeD said..
Med waves are completely different from anything on W coast and slower than San Onefre-Trestles.

Speaking of completely different - all the options now compared to your friend's Tiga (how long ago...?) that he was paid to talk highly of.

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LeeD said..
Side on usually favors fsw over pure wave.

No, it favours a slightly faster rockered or more backfoot oriented waveboard. A FSW is considerably different and is stiffer to turn as it is vastly flatter rockered.
He already has a FSW and wants something for up to logo high waves and really windy so why choose a FSW?

She is from a slalom backhround.
75 liter fsw's have more rocker per length than 85 liter fsw.
75 liter wave boards generally have the most rocker.
At her size, 75 liters is uphaulable.
I am 170 lbs and can uphaul my 85 liter boards.

Lol LeeD, i am a dude!
I started 3-4 years ago so I don't have slalom background and not interested in that discipline, i like speed though, especially in choppy open sea.
I never tried uphauling my 85, and i have no plans of uphauling the 75. I would prefer a more bouyant nose for tacks though.
And as i wrote earlier, I will use this board mostly with sideshore winds, My Hoa and Caberete to be specific.

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Sea Lotus said..
Lol LeeD, i am a dude!
I started 3-4 years ago so I don't have slalom background and not interested in that discipline, i like speed though, especially in choppy open sea.
I never tried uphauling my 85, and i have no plans of uphauling the 75. I would prefer a more bouyant nose for tacks though.
And as i wrote earlier, I will use this board mostly with sideshore winds, My Hoa and Caberete to be specific.

I think you would love the Goya's - either the 3 or the 4 or last years boards as well. They are very quick boards, plane quickly & not too technical. Quite popular for bump & jump in the Gorge. Modern FSW boards do very well in the waves but you are more limited in 75ltr. The Fanatic FW looks very nice, my experience with FSW however is even the most capable board in waves will be harder to turn aggressively than a true waveboard. The FSW are generally easier to sail in a straight line, get planing upwind etc... but It is a case IMHO where a better sailor can actually get more out of it on a wave as they need more Technique to turn well.
Just my .02...

My apologies!
Why is tacking so important?
At 160 lbs. and 75 liter wave boards, I've sailed almost every wave spot in Hawaii and the west coast of Cali without ever tacking and walking back maybe a handful of times.
That photo you showed is side on reef break waves. Either well powered up fast wave board or correctly powered fsw does the job equally well but different. Jumps or carves?

I got reply from Quatro, he suggest older fsw from goya or quatro (probably won't be able to find 75lt), or goya 3 as most of you suggested. So, hopefully it will be 2020 Goya custom pro 3. Its very lightweight, hopefully its not as fragile.

Tacking is useful for sure, but I mentioned it regarding your uphaul comment (volume).
Picture is from an Greek island very close to Turkey, i think small waves merge and get big at the channel between two very close lands, probably no reef there.

Thanks all, helping me to decide.
Cheers

Hi Sea Lotus,
At 63kg a 75 litre board is very big for your small board and the conditions you describe.
If I were you I would go for a wave board about the same litreage as your weight.

Please ignore any of LeeD's comments. He leads people astray with a lot of stupid ideas that have no
merit. I don't know why he does this.

It sounds like your skills will let you deal with a dedicated wave board.

Have fun !

Always ignore comments by sailors who sailed all over Hawaii and Calif west coast, and talk to, know, and worked in the windsurf industry for 23 years.
How could I possibly have valid info?

Bodyweight plus 5-10L is a pretty common recommendation for modern wave boards.
It has to be pretty crazy before I want to be on a bodyweight or under volume board.

That, of course, depends on skill level.
Top wave riders almost always choose body weight.
Always go bigger board size as you go farther from the highest levels.
My 1st time in real waves..4' Ocean Beach San Francisco..was on a 205 liter Alto. Wind was side on around 10, OBSF is powerful, water temp 55, air 55.
At 160 lbs., after the 1st year windsurfing, always wave sailed with 70-80 liter boards.
At 71, still rotate between 2, 78 liter boards. One single fin and one quad.
At that reef with side on winds, I'd choose 85 liter fsw because actual wave riding is backside, and 90% of the actual sailing is on flat water.

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LeeD said..
That, of course, depends on skill level.
Top wave riders almost always choose body weight.
Always go bigger board size as you go farther from the highest levels.
My 1st time in real waves..4' Ocean Beach San Francisco..was on a 205 liter Alto. Wind was side on around 10, OBSF is powerful, water temp 55, air 55.
At 160 lbs., after the 1st year windsurfing, always wave sailed with 70-80 liter boards.
At 71, still rotate between 2, 78 liter boards. One single fin and one quad.
At that reef with side on winds, I'd choose 85 liter fsw because actual wave riding is backside, and 90% of the actual sailing is on flat water.

For once you seem right here although slightly annoying that you refer to everything in lb's and the air temp in the other format, anyway I'd agree, if you are only just into waves go for something with at least 5 litres more than your body weight.

I understand LeeD. From experience with my father and grandfather, at that age some men get egoistic and repeat old stories about themselves, thats normal. I think its best to let them have their ego satisfied, just like letting children have idiotic loud fun. Small discomfort for you but big fun for them, let them have it.

At least he is trying to change it seems; he is not insulting people anymore, creating proper sentences instead of giving short orders.
You have to give him credit for his experience, he knows a lot, but he needs to catch up with the modern era of ws.

Dont get me wrong LeeD, i am not trying to throw mud on you, opposite in fact, it may be hard to swallow for you but i am trying to be productive for both sides. Nobody wants stress on a beautiful forum like this.

From reading your original post this is a no brainer. Get the Goya custom 3 pro 75 its volume will make the learning curve easier

^^^ are you sure?

In 1988 somebody on a plastic board mentioned the waves were fast there compared to Hatteras.

Well yes, the answer should always be a definitive ONE BOARD.....usually the one the person happens to have at that moment of time.
But maybe the picture provided might be a clue.