This might be a stupid question but are quads better with new school 4batten wave sails. I ask because i only see the pros/companys pairing them with with the quad boards. Will they still be fine with power wavesails or will the extra power be a problem.

Im looking to buy a New board and like the idea of quads for wave riding. I've got. 2 naish forces which are new so won't be replacing anytime soon. I'm more into wave riding then jumping so quads are looking like a good choice.

Cheers Tom.

Never tried a quad, but this pro seems to be doing fine on apower wavesail with a quad:

There are alot of guys running 4 batten wave sails on twin fins and thrusters, don't think the number of fins has anything to do with the sails..

Mate, the quads work a treat with either style of sail. I ride power oriented wave sails - Severne Blade - with quads - Starboard - and like you are more of a wave rider than jump oriented rider. The setup is perfect.

Indeed look at Scott McKercher's choice of setup, he rides power sails and designed the Starboard quad. So I guess that might speak volumes for what you are asking.

Cool looks like a quad it will be. thanks for your feed back

Cheers Tommy

I ride a 83L RRD quad with Naish Force sails. The combo goes together fine. I weigh 88 kg

I have not tried any of these power wavesail either.

I noticed some brands saying you can go down 0.5m in sail size with these 'power' sails (e.g. Goya Banzai)

Can anyone confirm this with experience?

Also (and not meaning to hyjack this post) but would like to hear anyones opinion on what is a good size 'largest wavesail' (for DTL waveriding) with these power wavesails.

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I have not tried any of these power wavesail either.

I noticed some brands saying you can go down 0.5m in sail size with these 'power' sails (e.g. Goya Banzai)

Can anyone confirm this with experience?

Also (and not meaning to hyjack this post) but would like to hear anyones opinion on what is a good size 'largest wavesail' (for DTL waveriding) with these power wavesails.

Mahi, I am finding that my current crop of sails get me going in a bit less wind than some sails I have had in previous years. But I have coupled that, as you know, with a new carbon boom and really gone the sail makers spec in all the parts required. I am still happy to sail DTL with a 5.7, but it does become a whole lot more comfy with 5.3 or less.

If your keen to have a try of my gear just sing out next time I am down there.

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Also (and not meaning to hyjack this post) but would like to hear anyones opinion on what is a good size 'largest wavesail' (for DTL waveriding) with these power wavesails.

i am heavier than the average guy and ive ditched the 6.2 from the quiver,my biggest wave sail is a 5.8, if its not windy enough for a 5.8 its not going to be much better with a 6.2 for DTL and the extra mast size and weight counteracts the extra bit of sail area... in over head high waves you 430 in your 6.2 will snap before your 400 in your 5.8 does [}:)]

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mahi said...


Also (and not meaning to hyjack this post) but would like to hear anyones opinion on what is a good size 'largest wavesail' (for DTL waveriding) with these power wavesails.

i am heavier than the average guy and ive ditched the 6.2 from the quiver,my biggest wave sail is a 5.8, if its not windy enough for a 5.8 its not going to be much better with a 6.2 for DTL and the extra mast size and weight counteracts the extra bit of sail area... in over head high waves you 430 in your 6.2 will snap before your 400 in your 5.8 does [}:)]

Agree... but OTOH when it is waist high and you can't quite plane with a 5.8, having that bit more to get planing so you can jump increases enjoyment greatly.

That is why I am loving having 4.0 - 5.6 wavesails, and a freestyle/crossover in 6.1

Can't speak for the other brands but with the np fly I pretty much just use my 4.8. If I get a stronger day I'll go down to 4.2 but otherwise my 4.8 has me covered. My previous quiver was 4.2 4.7 5.0 5.4. With the more traditional wave sails.

agreed dan. i'm probably a bit heavier than you (88kg) and use my 5.3 75% of the time and have 4.7 for the stronger days. couple that with an 87 litre quad and floaty freestyle board and i'm covered.

when it comes to float and ride days i can be out on a 5.0 / 5.3 and 87litre quad when others are floating round on 100 litre boards and 6.2

a lot comes down to your light wind technique in those kinds of conditions, so i wouldnt say go any bigger that 5.7, regardless of weight

oh and forgot to say, i use 4 batton compact wave sails - currently on north hero's but switching to simmer blacktips for 2013 - not 'power' sails

With regard to both topics it depends on where you sail, your style and kit set up.

The pro's are mainly using 4 batten sails on multi fin boards as they prefer the lighter weight and more on/off power that a 4 batten sail provides, and they weigh nothing themselves too.

Some quads will be better with the 4 batten sails, some not.

Sail size depond on your weight, style and board size too. Here on the east coast we haven't had any decent southerly winds in ages and often use 5.5m plus and I am now looking at getting a 6.2m as I dont get out enough as the wind is light and I have a bigger wave board that will carry a bigger sail, getting planing isn't an option, just plodding out to the waves and then surfing them in is whats more important here. Best thing is to try other peoples set up and see what is best for you.

Happy Sailing everyone.

Thanks all for your Insights.
Reason I asked was because i sailed all last season on a 5m plus 120L board for DTL float and ride conditions, and though it was ok, i found on some of the super dooper light wind days that I couldn't generate enough board speed to actually get on to some of the wave faces.
To combat this, I Then started taking off in steeper section of the break which ended me up where I didn't want to be (right in amongst the surfers and competing with them on takeoff).

A tad more power would have helped me get onto the wave a bit earlier (before surfers).
I think a board a tad smaller might have helped too, as I'm feeling i reach a point of diminishing returns when you go over a certain volume the light wind performance does not really improve.

I think I will try a 5 - 5.3m power Sail as some of you suggest and 90-95L board

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If your keen to have a try of my gear just sing out next time I am down there.

thanks JM - will take you up on that offer though I'm off to Maui in a couple weeks for quite a while if you don't see me around the beach.
Regards

Just Grabbed myself a few of the new 2013 Goya banzai's. I can certainly confirm that the bottom end is freakishly good, and I reckon the half meter drop is pretty close to the mark. They also have a pull that does not seem to push the board down into the water, but gives a bit more lift. Really hard to describe, but they feel more powerful than my blades, but I have not had a chance to really check them out back to back. Mind you I have paired these bad boys up with some keith teboul customs, so I have a sweet kit that will work in a real 10-12kts.

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Just Grabbed myself a few of the new 2013 Goya banzai's. I can certainly confirm that the bottom end is freakishly good, and I reckon the half meter drop is pretty close to the mark. They also have a pull that does not seem to push the board down into the water, but gives a bit more lift. Really hard to describe, but they feel more powerful than my blades, but I have not had a chance to really check them out back to back. Mind you I have paired these bad boys up with some keith teboul customs, so I have a sweet kit that will work in a real 10-12kts.

Thanks for the report - DAM71.
Actually, Keith has just finished building me a custom board too so should try the banzai combo with it.
It is a short and wide 'fish' version of their current LS quad (for slog and ride). I think LS won the recent San Carlos event on a fish?
I recall someone else also describing the low mast foot pressure sensation with the banzai as you discovered.

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DAM71 said...

Just Grabbed myself a few of the new 2013 Goya banzai's. I can certainly confirm that the bottom end is freakishly good, and I reckon the half meter drop is pretty close to the mark. They also have a pull that does not seem to push the board down into the water, but gives a bit more lift. Really hard to describe, but they feel more powerful than my blades, but I have not had a chance to really check them out back to back. Mind you I have paired these bad boys up with some keith teboul customs, so I have a sweet kit that will work in a real 10-12kts.

Thanks for the report - DAM71.
Actually, Keith has just finished building me a custom board too so should try the banzai combo with it.
It is a short and wide 'fish' version of their current LS quad (for slog and ride). I think LS won the recent San Carlos event on a fish?
I recall someone else also describing the low mast foot pressure sensation with the banzai as you discovered.

Sweet. I had 2 boards made and based them off the Goya rocker, nice and fast and plane up quickly. If your heading to Maui to pick your board up then definitely test the banzai.

Did you go custom paint?

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Did you go custom paint?

yea top only - I'll PM you a photo if keen to see