Looking at Kai Lenny's Aloha Classic boards,
They appear to have a much lower entry and more of a constant rocker through the tail.
I'm wondering if anyone has made a float and ride board with full surfboard rocker?

I've always thought a surfboard rocker could perform better when planing and jumping are not requirements than a good 95-100L with a traditional windsurfing waveboard rocker which has a higher entry and flatter tail than a surfboard.

Can't see it working
you're standing somewhere different plus have mast base pressure
Double the volume at least

with so much refinement our wave boards have been working so damn well for so long that I surmise if it worked we'd have seen it

but happy to take your money and build it for you

as an aside if you are only looking at that pic, it's perspective... reverse that board and the nose rocker will look higher as it's closer. Do u have any other pics of his stuff?

Apparently Ho'okipa boards all have heaps of tail rocker, its a steep wave.

Looking at Kai sailing out at the Aloha Classic the nose was hardly poking out of the water when he was sailing along, guessing that once on a wave when your weight is further back the nose will pop out more.

Paul Van Bellen has been out in Maui and he had a chat with Kai about his boards nearer to the end of the clip. Here's the link.

out of interest, my sup has all the traits although bigger.
Flat entry rocker, wide point closer the tail, lots of tail kick.

when I look at Kai's board it reminds me of a sup just smaller

Select to expand quote

Gestalt said..
out of interest, my sup has all the traits although bigger.
Flat entry rocker, wide point closer the tail, lots of tail kick.

when I look at Kai's board it reminds me of a sup just smaller

In the last Lenny brothers podcast he talks about transferring design ideas between the different watercraft he uses and his work in the shaping bay.

It's been super interesting hearing what Kai has to say on this stuff. Have not watched the Lenny brothers before.

im going to take a photo of my sup at the same angle on the weekend to see if it does look the same. Will also talk to Peter at NXS who shaped it to get his take. It's great on a wave, fast and fun. Not designed to plane and doesn't really. Still, I love the board. Peter built some versions with less tail kick and duck tails too.

If planning is not a priority then Kai's board kinda shows it works although would imagine you'd need a pretty good wave so not sure it's the right choice for most conditions. Excited to see how he develops the shape

Mark Stone has built some very surf orientated boards. He also puts an importance on speed so would be an interesting person to talk too about this stuff

back On topic I've got a Paul Ogrady surfboard that every time I look at it I wonder about trying the rocker on a windsurfer

the sponsor dedication is exemplary

lol. I missed it. I am the sheeple

Select to expand quote

Gestalt said..
It's been super interesting hearing what Kai has to say on this stuff. Have not watched the Lenny brothers before.

im going to take a photo of my sup at the same angle on the weekend to see if it does look the same. Will also talk to Peter at NXS who shaped it to get his take. It's great on a wave, fast and fun. Not designed to plane and doesn't really. Still, I love the board. Peter built some versions with less tail kick and duck tails too.

If planning is not a priority then Kai's board kinda shows it works although would imagine you'd need a pretty good wave so not sure it's the right choice for most conditions. Excited to see how he develops the shape

There are plenty of 95-100 liter performance sups around here that people are ready to get rid of. Converting one of those to a float and ride board would be interesting.

I reckon go for it. Maybe even cut it down so it's not as wide and reshape the rails. Surfboard rocker is a pretty loose term though. I read a few months back that Jon Jon Florence uses boards with a flat in them.

Is anyone seriously suggesting a true surfboard rocker

yes a hookipa board has more
yes pro guys ride a bit more tail kick

but we got rid of the banana rocker a long time ago for a reason. The old wave boards had a ridiculous rocker as they had to. Now we learned how to make a board turn you don't need 4" of tail rocker so why would anyone take such a step back?
more tail rocker yes. A surfboard rocker nooooo

thing is modern surfboards don't have banana rockers anymore

Speaking of banana rocker

Select to expand quote

Gestalt said..
thing is modern surfboards don't have banana rockers anymore

I can't do tech but overlay a short board rocker over a factory wave board

I wanna see

Give me a few weeks. I've got a bunch of surfboards and sups which I've always intended measuring and a bunch of windsurfer wave boards already modelled.

am focussing on finishing a build at the moment and getting new blanks cut

Select to expand quote

Mark _australia said..

Gestalt said..
thing is modern surfboards don't have banana rockers anymore

I can't do tech but overlay a short board rocker over a factory wave board

I wanna see

JP waveboard vs Pyzel mini padillac. For 5-15 knot winds and overhead surf, I'm guessing the lower entry surfboard rocker would help you get into waves easier and work better overall.

The bottom shapes of the boards are interesting, there is a lot going on.

For example when measured on and near the center line of my 81 L Pyramid there is only a 20 cm long flat area (just below the back screws of the front foot straps, 1st pic), everywhere else there is a rocker. Oh, and the 15 cm in the tail, past the center fin, is quite flat too.

But then in the double concaves, a bit further back, there are longer (35 cm) flat sections. 2nd pic.

And for sure there are lots of different ways to get a good feeling board that turns well, and is fast and functions in almost non-existent waves as well, not only in some bigger stuff.

^^ well that is what concave does - flattens the rocker

you're a concave

No I am pretty convex at the moment after winter weight gain, but thanks for the positive thoughts

I am currently, R and D over this summer a board that is base off of our Hot rod model rocker line [ flat entry with more tail rocker ] with a longer length , wide point slightly behind centre , a pulled in nose and more curved plan shape .

[Disregard the fin box placement and toe on this design file ]

That looks fantastic! Only change I'd like is a flatter deck around the mast track area. I think it makes boards more stable in the real light stuff and easier to tack/up haul

?si=S2l-14PisKwi235e

Looks like a catfish