Hi everyone,

We had some great sailing the last few weeks in NSW. A couple of days with 35 knots!
The website is up and we are justing adding some details re divisions and entry etc. Check it out, especially the 'Hall of Fame' of past winners.

http://australianwavesailingchampionship.com

cheers
Tim Williams
NSW WA President

What an awesome job guys, especially considering the short time since the last one!

The Oz wave sailing crew are lucky to have you guys doing all the hard yards, thanks heaps Tim, Ben and others!

Yewww it's been blowing up here too!!

Great site. Well done.

Although, after this line "If you're reading this overseas, then please do click through this website to understand why you should come to Australia to take part in this event...", you might want to add the disclaimer "If you finish in the top 3, your result may be wiped if one of the locals gets upset about losing to you".

Good luck for this years event.

To clear up the overseas/not Australian competitor situation, where ever you end up in the rankings, local or otherwise will stand. Someone from overseas can become the winner of the Australian National Wavesailing Championship.

We want to encourage the best wavesailors to enter, not just locals.

Thanks

If only that was enforced a few years ago to avoid that very situation.

Anyway, totally agree with you Ben. The more the merrier, no matter where they're from.

It's come up a few times over the years. Pete voltwater was involved in one I think. Not too big a deal at the godly, Alex didn't care he still got second and was happy. As long as they make it clear from the start.

so does that mean anyone in the world can be the Australian champion?

assuming they are a bloody good

I'd like to see a phillip costa V Jaeger final in decent DTL.
my money is on the aussie.

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DunkO said...
so does that mean anyone in the world can be the Australian champion?

That question has always been the basis of the debate.

is there another country that also has this open door policy that are pretty average wave sailors? might go there and have a crack.

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dan berry said...

DunkO said...
so does that mean anyone in the world can be the Australian champion?

That question has always been the basis of the debate.

Then they will need to call it the "2013 Australian Open Wavesailing Titles"

It's all semantics really isn't it?

We're looking for the best person to win the 2013 Australian Wavesailing Championship as opposed to how Duncan put it, suggesting we're looking for the Australian champion.

The Contest Director and other organisers have confirmed that the best will win, whatever nationality and this will not change.

Cheers

Not against it in any way. Just first I'd heard of it. But as dan says if it stipulated in advance no one can really complain.

Unless of course I get stuey first round again....oh wait he's from Newcastle

It's pretty simple really. If the contest officials accept a signed entry form and payment from any competitor, then that competitor is entitled to officially win the contest/trophy/prize money, etc, and no other competitor has the right to challenge that.

Speaking of entries, can we submit them now for this years event?

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DunkO said...
Not against it in any way. Just first I'd heard of it.

Sorry Duncan. I certainly wasn't suggesting that you were against it - I just used your terminology to highlight a point.

I'm pretty certain that if anyone would want to try and beat an international PWA sailor it would be you!

Cheers

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qwerty said...
Speaking of entries, can we submit them now for this years event?

Almost! I will be uploading the registration form onto the website this morning.

Here you go:

auswavesailing.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/application-for-2013-australian-national-wavesailing-championships.pdf

If you are writing a cheque and mailing it to Warren, please also email him so he is able to start the seeding/ranking process.

Thanks!

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dan berry said...
It's come up a few times over the years. Pete voltwater was involved in one I think. Not too big a deal at the godly, Alex didn't care he still got second and was happy. As long as they make it clear from the start.

Good on them for doing well I say.
But where are their names on the past winners/place-getters list?

I think from memory they gave him trophy for second place but not recorded in the records ( something like that, can't really remember). Not sure what happened the voltwater? Levi was a similar deal in tassie the year George won from memory

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dan berry said...
I think from memory they gave him trophy for second place but not recorded in the records ( something like that, can't really remember).

WTF?? The guy either came 2nd or he didn't.
If he did, his name should be listed as 2nd on this new site, especially as the posts above claim to welcome overseas competitors with open arms.
If he didn't, he's nabbed someones trophy and should probably return it (although I wouldn't if it was a proven chick-puller).

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Boris said...
WTF?? The guy either came 2nd or he didn't.
If he did, his name should be listed as 2nd on this new site, especially as the posts above claim to welcome overseas competitors with open arms.

Can't remember if he got a trophy or not (would have to dig up the photos) but Volwater is listed as 2nd in the Open devision for 2005. From memory they did a pseudo vote at one of the skippers meetings. Everyone agreed foreigners should be allowed to enter as it gives up and coming sailors the opportunity to measure themselves against the best in the sport. Especially if they are planning to compete at some stage in overseas events.

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stehsegler said...

Boris said...
WTF?? The guy either came 2nd or he didn't.
If he did, his name should be listed as 2nd on this new site, especially as the posts above claim to welcome overseas competitors with open arms.

Can't remember if he got a trophy or not (would have to dig up the photos) but Volwater is listed as 2nd in the Open devision for 2005. From memory they did a pseudo vote at one of the skippers meetings. Everyone agreed foreigners should be allowed to enter as it gives up and coming sailors the opportunity to measure themselves against the best in the sport. Especially if they are planning to compete at some stage in overseas events.

And a good decision it was.
a) It's the only correct choice
b) having a list of past winners containing a variety of foreign entrants will show the healthy level of competition that can go on here, and encourage more to do it
c) it's reciprocated in many other countries (the US allows foreign entrants I believe, and from memory Steve Allen was "European Champion" in racing several years ago
d) there's no dodgy result tampering (if I come 10th at the nationals, and the top 9 happen to be overseas guys, am I suddenly going to strut around calling myself Australian Champion and expect to be in the history books? please)

The sport is tiny in Oz. Encourage anyone who wants to enter, and if they do well, recognise them for it.
It may push you to sail better. And if you're not good enough to beat them, suck it up!

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BenKirk said...

qwerty said...
Speaking of entries, can we submit them now for this years event?

Almost! I will be uploading the registration form onto the website this morning.

Thanks Ben

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Boris said...

stehsegler said...

Boris said...
WTF?? The guy either came 2nd or he didn't.
If he did, his name should be listed as 2nd on this new site, especially as the posts above claim to welcome overseas competitors with open arms.

Can't remember if he got a trophy or not (would have to dig up the photos) but Volwater is listed as 2nd in the Open devision for 2005. From memory they did a pseudo vote at one of the skippers meetings. Everyone agreed foreigners should be allowed to enter as it gives up and coming sailors the opportunity to measure themselves against the best in the sport. Especially if they are planning to compete at some stage in overseas events.

And a good decision it was.
a) It's the only correct choice
b) having a list of past winners containing a variety of foreign entrants will show the healthy level of competition that can go on here, and encourage more to do it
c) it's reciprocated in many other countries (the US allows foreign entrants I believe, and from memory Steve Allen was "European Champion" in racing several years ago
d) there's no dodgy result tampering (if I come 10th at the nationals, and the top 9 happen to be overseas guys, am I suddenly going to strut around calling myself Australian Champion and expect to be in the history books? please)

The sport is tiny in Oz. Encourage anyone who wants to enter, and if they do well, recognise them for it.
It may push you to sail better. And if you're not good enough to beat them, suck it up!

Seem to be quite the storm in your little teacup boris. Have you noticed no one is arguing with you?

Just to confirm (I'm sure you know this anyway) the organisers of the 2013 Nationals have no control of what happened in the past. All we can do is guarantee any overseas competitors placing will stand (as it should) and hope/recommend/set in place this standard/approach for future events in other states.

As Dan has pointed out, the great thing is that no one has disagreed with this approach - although in fairness only three people are actually talking about it on here!

Boris, I don't understand why you are so interested seeing as you live in a land-locked sovereign city-state?

He is the overseas competitor Ben. Hence all the emotions

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BenKirk said...
Just to confirm (I'm sure you know this anyway) the organisers of the 2013 Nationals have no control of what happened in the past. All we can do is guarantee any overseas competitors placing will stand (as it should) and hope/recommend/set in place this standard/approach for future events in other states.

As Dan has pointed out, the great thing is that no one has disagreed with this approach - although in fairness only three people are actually talking about it on here!

Boris, I don't understand why you are so interested seeing as you live in a land-locked sovereign city-state?

Just making the simple point (Dan will probably have to read it twice to understand) that if you throw out the welcome mat to overseas sailors on the very same website that has scrubbed them from the past results list, then you'd have to agree it looks a bit odd.

Thanks Zack.

You may all recall that we had a post on Seabreeze to help identify who won which event www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Wave-sailing/Help-IDing-of-all-National-Wavesailing-Winners/. This gave everyone (who visits Seabreeze) an opportunity to indicate if names were incorrect.

Two events that caused more questions than any other were the 2007 GC event where we know that Alex came second and the last event where people were moved from Masters to Grand Masters etc...

Unfortunately (so I believe) there were complaints at the GC event that an International sailor was in the top three and as such, for records, his name was not on the place getters list (although Zack, your article suggests otherwise - I cannot load it up).

So, I refer to my last post - we cannot change what past organisers of Nationals decided to to do with International sailors. As for the list on the Nationals website, there is a caveat to say that it is not complete and open to discussion/edits. Finally, you may notice that Peter Volwater is documented as 2nd place at the 2005 Lancelin event; so we don't delete international sailors from the list!

We're trying to put together something that will document the best windsurfing discipline and ideally will attract international sailors to future events.

Lets move on!!

It would be nice to see Voltwater, Dunkerbeck and co head east but I think it clashes with the Marg's comp. For those who don't know, many years ago a certain Mr B.Dunkerbeck turned up at Gerroa at the start of his sailing career. So he knows of the place.

As long as its made clear from the get go ( which i believe they have already done) there is no issue that I can see. I even read it 3 times. Get over it.