If you live on the right side of the bay, how do you get a seabreeze in a SE/E?

Forecast for Thursday
Winds: Easterly 15 to 25 knots decreasing to 10 to 20 knots during the morning
then tending east to northeasterly at 10 to 15 knots during the day. Afternoon
seabreezes to 20 knots.

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Not sure what your question means? but E/SE Seabreezes are generally really strong. They come in late build steadily and peak around 7.00 PM. They then tend to go more East as the light fades and remain quite strong until after dark.
Ricketts is a great spot for a E/SE but gets crowded especially if the tide is out and the water is restricted.

It's cause in victoria we have 2 breezes. 1 that first hits the coast, say at phillip Island. Then another that travels all the way from the Island to ricketts coming from a SE direction. Most the time the breeze will skip the coast and travel lightly across westernport bay, then over the land. The breeze then speeds back up and travels across the water from seaford to ricketts and produces a medium to strong breeeze. It's because as you get closer to the city there is more land mass that heats up and that attracts the cool breeze. The peninsula and phillip Island do get good seabreezes, just I find the city is more consistent. I live on the peninsula and often I will head to the city for a windsurf, than head in the direction of the coast.

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mr love said...

Not sure what your question means? but E/SE Seabreezes are generally really strong. They come in late build steadily and peak around 7.00 PM. They then tend to go more East as the light fades and remain quite strong until after dark.
Ricketts is a great spot for a E/SE but gets crowded especially if the tide is out and the water is restricted.

Sorry. Should have been clearer.

At school I was taught that seabreezes were onshore. Easterly is off shore on the east side of the bay so is there a local effect.

I suppose if you zoom the map out then the seabreeze is on a much bigger scale - I think this is what windtechno is getting at.

Anyway - I'll be at ricketts tonight if I can leave early enough...

Yeah I used to wonder the same thing Ginger Pom, but I believe Bass Strait generates a much bigger seabreeze that nullifies any that Port Phillip Bay might produce. So it may be anything from ESE to WSW. During the summer at Mornington the seabreeze is perfect formula sailing for me because of the offshore breeze and glassy water. Hoping to get a 7m for my small board and try it but will have to swim it in and out for about 200metres to get through the wind shadow.

BTW Windtechno: Either your last post is your brother typing or you've really changed your style. Eg. no 'red bull' or 'hey son'

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Leman said...

Yeah I used to wonder the same thing Ginger Pom, but I believe Bass Strait generates a much bigger seabreeze that nullifies any that Port Phillip Bay might produce. So it may be anything from ESE to WSW. During the summer at Mornington the seabreeze is perfect formula sailing for me because of the offshore breeze and glassy water. Hoping to get a 7m for my small board and try it but will have to swim it in and out for about 200metres to get through the wind shadow.

BTW Windtechno: Either your last post is your brother typing or you've really changed your style. Eg. no 'red bull' or 'hey son'

sorry i should of added it. sorry son. hey bro how come you dont come over and join the boys at ricketts or mentone in the eastlys?? you should come over one night after work. come over son we will all be waiting for you

Oh OK, now I understand the question. I am no expert but I think it is a normal ocean seabreeze but as the gradient wind is out of the east the 2 winds sort of combine and it ends up SE. But I may be completely wrong.
I do know they can get pretty windy though and Ricketts goes off!!!

I think school was right.

The Bom said 20-25 knots

Fawkner beacon maxed out at 16 knots average.. unless anyone knows better and ricketts did actually work last night?

Direction, Average and gust..
28/11:30pm - - - - - E 8 11 - -
28/11:00pm - - - - - E 8 12 - -
28/10:30pm - - - - - E 11 14 - -
28/10:00pm - - - - - ESE 13 15 - -
28/09:30pm - - - - - S 8 11 - -
28/09:00pm - - - - - S 7 9 - -
28/08:30pm - - - - - S 9 13 - -
28/08:00pm - - - - - SSE 13 15 - -
28/07:30pm - - - - - S 13 15 - -
28/07:00pm - - - - - S 13 15 - -
28/06:30pm - - - - - SSE 14 17 - -
28/06:00pm - - - - - SSE 16 19 - -
28/05:30pm - - - - - SSE 16 19 - -
28/05:00pm - - - - - S 14 18 - -

If the easterly isn't very strong (i.e. less than 20knots), it bends around into a southerly seabreeze at the northern end of the bay. Some days this builds to 20knots itself. Later in the evening the SE gradient flow accelerates from Sandy Pt along the coast toward Phillip Island and Flinders, eventually knocking out the bay seabreeze. This is why those late SE sessions sometimes work at Ricketts and Flinders.
On normal seabreeze days (i.e. general southerly gradient flow), Mornington gets a double seabreeze - WSW bay seabreeze, then the SSE Bass Strait seabreeze after about 5pm.

If the easterly isn't very strong (i.e. less than 20knots), it bends around into a southerly seabreeze at the northern end of the bay. Some days this builds to 20knots itself. Later in the evening the SE gradient flow accelerates from Sandy Pt along the coast toward Phillip Island and Flinders, eventually knocking out the bay seabreeze. This is why those late SE sessions sometimes work at Ricketts and Flinders.
On normal seabreeze days (i.e. general southerly gradient flow), Mornington gets a double seabreeze - WSW bay seabreeze, then the SSE Bass Strait seabreeze after about 5pm.

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windtechno said...
sorry i should of added it. sorry son. hey bro how come you dont come over and join the boys at ricketts or mentone in the eastlys?? you should come over one night after work. come over son we will all be waiting for you

I will sometime, but I admit paying to park by the beach really pees me off. Seems to be the case from Bonbeach up. Plus launching off Mornington Pier is actually a fairly decent option if I want to go flat water and local. Doesn't stick out as far as Ricketts, so can be gusty, but it is a good option if I wish to avoid travel. If I want waves then Point Leo works too.