Quick survey on what everyone's favourite bay board (ever) is and why....

Especially interested in v and width.

I know the bay does lots of conditions but I'm thinking sail range 5.5m and smaller with 85kg of clumsy sailor.

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ginger pom said...

Quick survey on what everyone's favourite bay board (ever) is and why....

Especially interested in v and width.

I know the bay does lots of conditions but I'm thinking sail range 5.5m and smaller with 85kg of clumsy sailor.

gday all...i sailed a lot in the 90s as a teen and early 20s back then the we sailed (myself and my dad) trigger bros bay blitzer slaloms and custom wave slaloms also speed needle types all trigger stuff..also had a cobra gun slalom which back then was a pretty quick light board which had a distinct whistle once it got on the plane..also had a cobra tandem board which was a lot of fun and fast for such a big unit..i started when i was 11 on a tyronsea wasp kids rig..living on the peninsula we done most of our sailing at balnarring on the south winds and rye on the norths and the odd sandy point trip..just in the market for some gear atm as i want to get back into it

JP FSW - does a bit of everything on a 20knot+ choppy bump n jump day - pop some air, carve, blast.

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steviesayle said...

ginger pom said...

Quick survey on what everyone's favourite bay board (ever) is and why....

Especially interested in v and width.

I know the bay does lots of conditions but I'm thinking sail range 5.5m and smaller with 85kg of clumsy sailor.

gday all...i sailed a lot in the 90s as a teen and early 20s back then the we sailed (myself and my dad) trigger bros bay blitzer slaloms and custom wave slaloms also speed needle types all trigger stuff..also had a cobra gun slalom which back then was a pretty quick light board which had a distinct whistle once it got on the plane..also had a cobra tandem board which was a lot of fun and fast for such a big unit..i started when i was 11 on a tyronsea wasp kids rig..living on the peninsula we done most of our sailing at balnarring on the south winds and rye on the norths and the odd sandy point trip..just in the market for some gear atm as i want to get back into it

Wouldn't mind taking that Cobra Tandem for a run

Some type of 95l freestyle wave board. Single fin orientation.
You can't go wrong on the bay with a freestyle wave board. Go with a wave fin for wave sails. I have no problems with the chop and sailing up wind with ease.

There will be other boards for speed and radicalness,
but for comfort and ease,
-rewinding the clock, green Flow 93 lt,
and now, 95 lt RRD Freestyle/wave.
(Mr Love will back me up)
Both boards with heaps of V and not too wide.

The guy we sold the cobra tandem too lives in Hastings.. Haven't seen him in a few years but he's the kind of fella that hangs on to stuff might catch up with him a see if I can buy it back or borrow it for a bit.. You put 2 good sailers on this this thing in 15/20 knots you will over take an intermediate sailer on a slalom board.. Back when we had it we bought 2 big dark blue sails with the big 'Peter Jackson blue water classic logo all over them..one was a 9m and the other a 10m a lot of fun.. I will scan some photos from the old albums and post them up if anyone's interested in having a looks

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steviesayle said...
The guy we sold the cobra tandem too lives in Hastings.. Haven't seen him in a few years but he's the kind of fella that hangs on to stuff might catch up with him a see if I can buy it back or borrow it for a bit.. You put 2 good sailers on this this thing in 15/20 knots you will over take an intermediate sailer on a slalom board.. Back when we had it we bought 2 big dark blue sails with the big 'Peter Jackson blue water classic logo all over them..one was a 9m and the other a 10m a lot of fun.. I will scan some photos from the old albums and post them up if anyone's interested in having a looks

Had a blast on Daffy's tandem at Invy a couple of weeks ago and looking forward to having another crack at it at Swan Bay on the 19th May
Love to see the old photos

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ginger pom said...

Quick survey on what everyone's favourite bay board (ever) is and why....

Especially interested in v and width.

I know the bay does lots of conditions but I'm thinking sail range 5.5m and smaller with 85kg of clumsy sailor.

Can't say I've found mine yet but interested to find out how much V and width really effect comfort in the bay.

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WindRider said...
Some type of 95l freestyle wave board. Single fin orientation.
You can't go wrong on the bay with a freestyle wave board. Go with a wave fin for wave sails. I have no problems with the chop and sailing up wind with ease.

"Freestyle wave " is such a funny term though... We talk about freestyle wave models being more or less focussed than last year's shape but never the opposite, ie less or more freestyle focussed.. Going a bit cross -eyed but basically trying to say freestyle waves are not the children of a wave board and a freestyle board who love each other very much...

Nope, still not making sense. I'll come back after my first coffee.

Pretty hard to say outright how much V you should have for a "Bay" board, everybody will have a prefference for what type of ride they like and how "active" they like the feel. What I have found with the boards I have designed is as follows.

Firstly I like a board that is pretty smooth through chop, I like some feedback but for me as I like going fast something that is comfortable suits best. To do this V , concave or a combination of both works great.

So if we take a 60 wide board as a bench mark I would have at 1300-1400 off the tail 4-5mm a side if it is a flat V board, maybe a touch less if it is double concave.
So if you stuck a straight edge across centerline to one rail you should measure about 8 mm min to the other rail for flat V and maybe a bit less if it is double concave. If a board has these sort of figures it should be pretty smooth in the Bays steep chop. There are lots of other factors as well though, way more complex than just V or concave.

As I said, this is what I like, others will have different opinions.

My most used board in the bay is a 96L Tabou 3s 239 x61 I have had it now for 3 summers and it ticks all the boxes for a bay board.

It dosn't have heaps of double concave or a huge amount of v compared to some other boards but I feel the balance is right.

Jerry, Stick a straight edge across the bottom at the mast track. I would be interested to know how much V/concave it has.

I sense another purchase

As the Sith Lords say "DO IT!"

The Tabou 3S has some great reviews.

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K Dog said...
I sense another purchase

As the Sith Lords say "DO IT!"

The Tabou 3S has some great reviews.

I hate people who pressurise other people into sorting out their kit....

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ginger pom said...

K Dog said...
I sense another purchase

As the Sith Lords say "DO IT!"

The Tabou 3S has some great reviews.

I hate people who pressurise other people into sorting out their kit....

Don't know anyone like that..........

I'll just drop this here........

http://www.amazon.com/Mirror-History-Human-Affair-Reflection/dp/0465054714/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1367387583&sr=8-4&keywords=history+of+mirrors

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K Dog said...
I sense another purchase

As the Sith Lords say "DO IT!"

The Tabou 3S has some great reviews.

Kdog,
Your 92 Syncro is also a great bay board in that size range.
It has bevelled rails in the forward section which are also great for smoothing the chop. Don't change it until you've found something you know is better.

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Bondalucci said...

K Dog said...
I sense another purchase

As the Sith Lords say "DO IT!"

The Tabou 3S has some great reviews.

Kdog,
Your 92 Syncro is also a great bay board in that size range.
It has bevelled rails in the forward section which are also great for smoothing the chop. Don't change it until you've found something you know is better.

That Syncro is awesome in the bay. I'd say its the perfect bay board (for me). It turns as fast as you want, is light, cuts through and always feels silky smooth. Agree 100%.

Stuart has the same one, is a bit fatter and slower, he's also got the same board.

I sense Stuart has a purchase coming [}:)]

Doldrums is a good time for new purchases... you get time to think more about windsurfing than actually doing it..... = spending time

Mr. Love said "Jerry, Stick a straight edge across the bottom at the mast track. I would be interested to know how much V/concave it has".

My 2013 3S96 has 3-4mm at the rear of the mast track. Jerry has told me that his board doesn't have the concave that the 2013 model has, but it has a lot more vee in the back of the board compared to mine.

My 3S106 has about the same vee at the back of the board that Jerry's 96 has and it gybes like a dream, which was one of the reasons I bought the 96.

Mr. Love, bring all your measuring gear with you for the next few weeks and I'll let you measure my 96 for all you're worth

When i used to sail the bay... 2002 starboard carve 80!

Easy pick for me on this one!

Actually, I'm going to do my top three.

1/ Tiga 260 Slalom [1987 model]
2/ Strapper/Tiga Tom Luedecke 9'4" double concave slalom [1985 model]
3/ Full Circle 8'6" R/H Assy [ why? For backside Pt Ormond waveriding, it was a 7'6" which was super short for the day].

I guess that back in the day, your fave was mainly a custom and production stuff was not as desirable.

I cant believe no-one has mentioned the Starboard Acid - at least for the slightly windier days.

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rps said...
Easy pick for me on this one!

Actually, I'm going to do my top three.

1/ Tiga 260 Slalom [1987 model]
2/ Strapper/Tiga Tom Luedecke 9'4" double concave slalom [1985 model]
3/ Full Circle 8'6" R/H Assy [ why? For backside Pt Ormond waveriding, it was a 7'6" which was super short for the day].

I guess that back in the day, your fave was mainly a custom and production stuff was not as desirable.

Have you got any pics of those 3 you could post.
-especially like to see the Full Circle model.

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Bondalucci said...

K Dog said...
I sense another purchase

As the Sith Lords say "DO IT!"

The Tabou 3S has some great reviews.

Kdog,
Your 92 Syncro is also a great bay board in that size range.
It has bevelled rails in the forward section which are also great for smoothing the chop. Don't change it until you've found something you know is better.

Synchro is awesome bay board.. I'm only thinking of changing it for a change (it's 2006).

I won't sell it till I'm happy with the new one. Made that mistake swapping a 2003 jp Fsw 77 for a 2008 jp Fsw 77- latter was not same and didn't work so well as silly wind board (though Sir Watkins recommended starboard acid as silly wind board)

I still have a Starby Acid 62 litre.
Yes, it shines on the days when I pull out my 3.4 Naish Force.

Peter, I'll see if I can find any shots of the Full Circle.
I had a matching LH Assy as well.

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mr love said...
Jerry, Stick a straight edge across the bottom at the mast track. I would be interested to know how much V/concave it has.

Hey Martin it has 5 mm a side of v at the mast track with a touch of concave too blending to a flat v at the tail of still about 5 mm a side.

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WindmanV said...
Mr. Love said "Jerry, Stick a straight edge across the bottom at the mast track. I would be interested to know how much V/concave it has".

My 2013 3S96 has 3-4mm at the rear of the mast track. Jerry has told me that his board doesn't have the concave that the 2013 model has, but it has a lot more vee in the back of the board compared to mine.

My 3S106 has about the same vee at the back of the board that Jerry's 96 has and it gybes like a dream, which was one of the reasons I bought the 96.

Mr. Love, bring all your measuring gear with you for the next few weeks and I'll let you measure my 96 for all you're worth

I think I will need to have a test of tour new 96 3s one day, it would be very interesting going from one to the other in the same conditions with our own sails on them.

I love my Tabou Rocket & when the wind is up 2002 110 Fanatic Cross.

5mm a side Jerry, and you thought it didn't have much V , that is actually quite a lot nearly 1 deg a side.
For a real chop eater minimum .7 deg a side of V seems to be the figure and the more concave it has the softer the ride gets.