In the movie taken at the national it seemed there was quite a high number of multifin boards, what's your take on the subject chris and Scotty.

I heard along the grapevine that you might convert to a twinnie yet chris?

there was me and about 3 others on singles. i have absoulatley no doubt a twinnie is the best board for good cross off waves. BUT i still think my single has massive benifits for here in SA. talking to most of the really experienced guys like ben severne and scotty merch are saying quads are a one hit wonder, i heard a roumur that scott merch hates quads! everyone loves twinnies.

One hit wonder... try no hit wonder! Expensive mistake for anyone who sold their twin and bought the quad. No doubt most will now be looking for a twin again, but don't expect to get much for your quad!!!
Can't work out why they replaced the twin with a quad when everyone else had the intelligence to continue with the twin an add a quad to their line-up.
The two boards work completely different from one another.

Come on winter - if its like last winter the twinnie will get a very regular cross off wave work out.

The 92 twinnie is definitely the most fun I have had on a wave - only problem is the waves we've had have been so few and far between.

As far as slow - the Kauili's twins are are more highly rockered than the singles and need a little extra wind to get them up and blasting and you cant just push of the fin to get them up - but as soon as there is enough I doubt you will find any difference in speed - in the limited decent waves I have had on it they hold in a bottom turn so much nicer than a single and give the nicest cutback sensations - I was really sceptical - but coming from a surfing background there the most "surfing" like thing I have ridden (comparing with previous naish & RRD wave boards)- almost as loose as my Biscuit!!!!.

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Muzza12 said...

One hit wonder... try no hit wonder! Expensive mistake for anyone who sold their twin and bought the quad. No doubt most will now be looking for a twin again, but don't expect to get much for your quad!!!
Can't work out why they replaced the twin with a quad when everyone else had the intelligence to continue with the twin an add a quad to their line-up.
The two boards work completely different from one another.

What was wrong with your quad Tony? the write up in the boards mag on the quad was impressive.

Man I have loved my twinnie, I agree with you tony and Russ that the best feeling on a wave that you could get is from a twinnie but I'd still like to try a quad before passing judgement. I tried a smaller set of fins on the twinnie in Gero and they made a huge difference. The smaller 15cm fins allowed for some great lip slides, a couple of times I managed to get a complete 180 degree slide in and slide backwards down the face of the wave, every other time I got worked. The vid of the nationals certainly hoghlighted that there are a few twinnies and quads being used over west.

the quads look stiffer than a twinnie
i recently brought a quad surfboard and in junky surf it was stiff,does have flat rocker though,
changed fin set up to mrtwin fin and was much looser.
quad set up had much more drive-not sailboard i know buttt.

twinnies are ideal for local conditions because our waves are soft,not top to bottom stuff like miss margret,you need to free the board up in soft waves and two fins does it,
have sailed my 92jp twin in onshore all summer and loved it,feels like a 80 litre board with great control and very fast
looking forward to winter too and the footies backkkkkkk

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Muzza12 said...

One hit wonder... try no hit wonder! Expensive mistake for anyone who sold their twin and bought the quad. No doubt most will now be looking for a twin again, but don't expect to get much for your quad!!!
Can't work out why they replaced the twin with a quad when everyone else had the intelligence to continue with the twin an add a quad to their line-up.
The two boards work completely different from one another.

thats a pretty big call. Dont let one brand ruin the rep of many other good quad boards out there.
Everyone had a different riding style and we all sail at different breaks.
I'm loving my quads and the more i sail them the more my riding style has changed and adapted. I can still tail slide my cutbacks to the point i'm starting to work on Takas. But the slide is more predictable.
For bump and jump i'd still go a single but i'm lucky enough to live in a spot where that only happens a few times a year or i'll go speed sailing instead.
From reading between the lines your referring to the *board quads mainly. Looking at the numbers i'd say there were more JP Quads on the grass at the nats by a long way.
I did notice one of the quads that Scott McKercher has in his ute had 4 different sized fins in it. I'm not sure if he used it in the comp though.

My JP FWS is a great board.

The Quads with too big of fins up front and not enought drive off the back foot with the smaller surfboard fins, have done alot of damage to the Quad design concept
I have alway stated that we have to improve on the twin fins design before we will drop the twin which hasn't happen in the larger volumes wave boards.
Drag and weight gain have always been in the back of our minds when I have designing these quad boards. This is why I didn't jump on the Quad bandwagon when I first saw them first come out.
We are only running 60mm front fins and 13cm back fins with thinner foils to reduce the drag as much as possiable and have kept the front fins as close to the back fins to make sure that these boards are loose and not too stiff and directional.
The Quads are a high wind wave riding board the will give you more grip on both the bottom and top turns with better control then a single fin in the same condition with the fins closer to the rails .These boards are super smooth on all turns with no bouncing .
With most of SA winter/ spring strom condition are all cross on eg Avoid Bay and Seaford.,with Middleton and Wreck beach being the only cross off conditions, the Quads will give more control in backside wave riding in wider areas of the state
If you are into more jumping and looping and not waveriding stick with a single for greater accelaration out through the short lenght beach breaks.However the quads are not that much slower to plan then the single but give all the benifit of a twin with more control.
Quads are more of a threat to Single then Twins.
I am building a Quad 85 for myself for the winter months so if you want to demo one contact Maris or myself.





Sailed the Quad 75 today in 20+ foot surf. Winds were light onshore 5.0 for me. The board performed quite well for the conditions. It was extremely challenging and I was the only person to sail the North Shore, other than at Kanaha where it was much smaller. I caught a couple bombs, but it was mostly close-outs. Still fun, and the board gave me confidence bottom turning under huge lips. It did not slip at all, even on some of the bouncier waves.
Total stoked
Russ

Sounds like a 105L Quad would be a bit of fun for those 13-18 knt days in the waves and general blasing when you just want the float to get on wave

I wish I had a quad at margies, lost it off the top on my twinny a couple of times. Controlled slide is great only when you can correct and bring it back. I had a few swims.

Hey Pete

so if we modify my alltime favorite OES90twin, include two small outside boxes or use FCS type insert fins to save weight/quick removal, we get the perfect SA board by adding improved onshore and big wave ability?
ps far west coast looking good wed/thurs - anychance 85 ready by then?
cheers mate

If you have a twinny that's set up properly you don't need all those extra fins to drag around.
Not so complicated.

So where do the wave thrusters fit in?

do they fit between a single and quad - drive of the bottom and remain less slippery/sliding on cutbacks.

the Stoney thrusters all seem to be ridden by some fairly well known sailors in the west - and it looks like they work in allround conditions.

Ok. folks.
Got to step in here and say "what the funk" to someone who reckons I hate quads.
What a load of trollup.
Not only myself, but ash nicol used quads at Margs during the nats, and I saw ash get some sweet full rail power gouges and smacks when most other punters were struggling to make it to the lip.

As was Simon Peter's.

As for only being a bump and jump board and not really a waveboard. I think muzza and Hail better open there other eye a little bit. Looking through one eye is a little two dimensional.

Before anyone arcs up to be a smart ass and say I was also using a twinnie, true. I did have a couple of old favourites down the beach that day. Horses for courses and as the wind changed, I went between boards.
But when on the quad, there was nothing that was going to produce as much drive as I got to boost some airs that day. Not even close. And I still absolutely love the sensation when the rail is engaged of all that fin power accellerating you through a turn. No single or twin is ever going to do that.

One hit wonder??? Yeah. I agree. There was one hit on my quad where I did wonder how there was so much projection.
Are we going to produce quads again. "Bloody oath".
A lot more work has gone on with experimentaion on rockers and outlines and fin sizes. It's been very interesting, but that's down the track. But quads are definitely "not" a one hit wonder.

Fin sizes. Of course there's going to be experimentation, as we have done since it's inception and found out quite a bit more which is going to go into generation two, but wave boards that go to production have to suit a wide playing field. Side shore, down the line and onshore crap.

And I think the current quads to an excellent job at catering to all these needs.
True. I have come down a size for myself in side shore. to have 15's and not 16's forward.

Why anyone has to go around sprouting ****e is anyone's guess, but...... I guess I'll leave it at that.

sorry. One dimensional.

Heres a pic of Scotty on a Quad @ Nationals in Margs, make your own mind up....

Fair call in some regards Scott. I can't be ****ed with the slanging match bull****.
Open forum... ??? I've taken my post down.
I didn't like the board, the comments that were posted on here suggested that you didn't like the board, the only other comments I've heard about the boards are that they are over finned!
I've got nothing to gain from promoting or bagging the gear, but I along with anyone else who has to fork out a **** load of money to buy a new board is well justified in putting in their 2 cents worth when the gear just doesn't cut it. (and you lose substantial money in selling it).
If I've inadvertently ruffled some feathers so be it. Starboard seems to have a mentality of being above any criticism.
I'll leave it at that... and stop posting on the forum full stop. More dramatics on here than on Neighbours for ****s sake!!!
Phone call by the importer over a forum comment??? **** me... get over it!!!

Tony,

I gave you a ring to see what we what the problem was with your board and if there was any suggestions fin wise that may help.

Unfortunately you wern't avalable so I left a message.

You have my number so give me a ring and we can talk about it.

Thanks,

Ian Grose
Auswind

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scott mckerc said...

Ok. folks.
Got to step in here and say "what the funk" to someone who reckons I hate quads.
What a load of trollup.
Not only myself, but ash nicol used quads at Margs during the nats, and I saw ash get some sweet full rail power gouges and smacks when most other punters were struggling to make it to the lip.

As was Simon Peter's.

As for only being a bump and jump board and not really a waveboard. I think muzza and Hail better open there other eye a little bit. Looking through one eye is a little two dimensional.

Before anyone arcs up to be a smart ass and say I was also using a twinnie, true. I did have a couple of old favourites down the beach that day. Horses for courses and as the wind changed, I went between boards.
But when on the quad, there was nothing that was going to produce as much drive as I got to boost some airs that day. Not even close. And I still absolutely love the sensation when the rail is engaged of all that fin power accellerating you through a turn. No single or twin is ever going to do that.

One hit wonder??? Yeah. I agree. There was one hit on my quad where I did wonder how there was so much projection.
Are we going to produce quads again. "Bloody oath".
A lot more work has gone on with experimentaion on rockers and outlines and fin sizes. It's been very interesting, but that's down the track. But quads are definitely "not" a one hit wonder.

Fin sizes. Of course there's going to be experimentation, as we have done since it's inception and found out quite a bit more which is going to go into generation two, but wave boards that go to production have to suit a wide playing field. Side shore, down the line and onshore crap.

And I think the current quads to an excellent job at catering to all these needs.
True. I have come down a size for myself in side shore. to have 15's and not 16's forward.

Why anyone has to go around sprouting ****e is anyone's guess, but...... I guess I'll leave it at that.

dude i heard a roumor! thats all. you could have won the comp on any board. good on starboard for ditching twinnies! bold and brave and putting max confidence in there quad. i would love to try one if someone offered me one! Y DA HELL DO PEOPLE FIRE UP???????

Tony,
Can i try your quad?

Its nice to see Scott Mer cruising the Sa forums.

I've got an evil twin and if anyone with another twinnie or quad is keen for a quick board swap during a seesion yell out, I'd love to be-able to compare a few designs.

It would be great if there was a demo quad in the state to try, it would be interesting to feel the difference with all those extra fins.

they will leave 4 good gt stripes when you run over someone

Maybe there is a point / a skill level that most of us will never reach especially myself where that extra 5% means so much and an understanding of board rails, rocker, fin foil and size that the general lay wave sailor will never truly understand - and its the efforts of the crew that R&D (in real waves) all the different combinations that produce the plug and play boards that we enjoy today.

Maybe the waves we sail (or hardly ever get to sail) and our skill levels don't really meet the true potential of some of the boards we buy and may give us distorted view of what works and what doesn't - where in the hands of "expert wave sailors" and in good waves they work well -

There are some good "Rumour" quotes on the net - I like this one

What you don't see with your eyes, don't witness with your mouth.

spot on Russh

Well said Russh

im gunna hasstle to get a demo quad. please put your name down if your interested! sure we can work something out! thinking a 85 litre. its really hard to go buy something before you have even tryed it. who's keen????

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HAIL said...

im gunna hasstle to get a demo quad. please put your name down if your interested! sure we can work something out! thinking a 85 litre. its really hard to go buy something before you have even tryed it. who's keen????

What going on Hail.You have changed your mind.
Your a sponsored rider?you can get things cheap.JUST GET ONE! YOU WILL LOVE IT
I love my Starboard twin fin and if I had the money I would have a QUAD as well

im a sponsored rider who is a apprentice who stupidly got a mortgage = no money. hopefully pete will be able to get a demo. you can only sell them if people know what there getting! we need waves for wave boards too dont forget.

you shoulda asked to demo my 82 at the nationals chris. You would have loved it!