I'm about to buy some used sails 2013 naish choppers (S,M,L) all rig on 370 rdm. From information I've gathered so far on mast compatibility ,these sails do rig on constant curve masts as they fall pretty much right in the middle of the unifiber chart for 2013. I have talked to people that rig them on anything from naish firesticks(most people) to nolimitz(which are apparently too soft in the bottom, but everyone feels different things when sailing). My options are Chinook rdm 90 retails for $500, I can get the naish 90 rdm for $200 more.

Woundering what you guys think abviously the naish mast will have the exact curve that is designed for naish sails, but how much performance could you really loose for $200 other then the famous Naish name? I am on a budget but like perfomance, I'm not doing anything too crazy yet like backloops or forwards. Mainly will be using for windfoiling, wave riding high wind great lakes, some freestyle/foilstyle stuff.

Anyone try the rdm chinooks on naish sails before?

It would be good to know what your weight is as it will have some bearing on what the sail does when powered up.
A very good rule however is to put your sails on the mast it was made for. This prevents your mind being filled with unecessary doubt about the tuning of your sail.

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It would be good to know what your weight is as it will have some bearing on what the sail does when powered up.
A very good rule however is to put your sails on the mast it was made for. This prevents your mind being filled with unecessary doubt about the tuning of your sail.

I'm 150lbs

I have run Naish wave sails on and off for quit a few years now i have 3 newer force 4 and I use a ezzy 370 on the 4.1 works great any good CC mast should give good results have even rigged them with a NoLimtz and I weight 82kg. the Chinook masts are fine can't speek for the 90rdm but I did borrow the 100 wave extreme from a friend nice mast two year warranty.Also on my smallest sail 3.4 I rig with a 60% carbon ezzy I can't tell the difference from the 90% on the really small sails.

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I'm about to buy some used sails 2013 naish choppers (S,M,L) all rig on 370 rdm. From information I've gathered so far on mast compatibility ,these sails do rig on constant curve masts as they fall pretty much right in the middle of the unifiber chart for 2013. I have talked to people that rig them on anything from naish firesticks(most people) to nolimitz(which are apparently too soft in the bottom, but everyone feels different things when sailing). My options are Chinook rdm 90 retails for $500, I can get the naish 90 rdm for $200 more.

Woundering what you guys think abviously the naish mast will have the exact curve that is designed for naish sails, but how much performance could you really loose for $200 other then the famous Naish name? I am on a budget but like perfomance, I'm not doing anything too crazy yet like backloops or forwards. Mainly will be using for windfoiling, wave riding high wind great lakes, some freestyle/foilstyle stuff.

Anyone try the rdm chinooks on naish sails before?

The Naish sails from that generation rig on masts the Hard top side of CC. They will rig on middle CC masts ok, but the Chinook masts lean the other way - on the Flextop side of CC... they might rig ok but it will definitely change the way the sail rigs. The Chinook masts work really well on Hotsails, Goya, Simmer, Ezzy. but will change the profile on Severne, Naish, Gaastra.

All that said, I hope you have tried the Choppers because I have heard they are quite different in feel...

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CAN17 said..
I'm about to buy some used sails 2013 naish choppers (S,M,L) all rig on 370 rdm. From information I've gathered so far on mast compatibility ,these sails do rig on constant curve masts as they fall pretty much right in the middle of the unifiber chart for 2013. I have talked to people that rig them on anything from naish firesticks(most people) to nolimitz(which are apparently too soft in the bottom, but everyone feels different things when sailing). My options are Chinook rdm 90 retails for $500, I can get the naish 90 rdm for $200 more.

Woundering what you guys think abviously the naish mast will have the exact curve that is designed for naish sails, but how much performance could you really loose for $200 other then the famous Naish name? I am on a budget but like perfomance, I'm not doing anything too crazy yet like backloops or forwards. Mainly will be using for windfoiling, wave riding high wind great lakes, some freestyle/foilstyle stuff.

Anyone try the rdm chinooks on naish sails before?

The Naish sails from that generation rig on masts the Hard top side of CC. They will rig on middle CC masts ok, but the Chinook masts lean the other way - on the Flextop side of CC... they might rig ok but it will definitely change the way the sail rigs. The Chinook masts work really well on Hotsails, Goya, Simmer, Ezzy. but will change the profile on Severne, Naish, Gaastra.

All that said, I hope you have tried the Choppers because I have heard they are quite different in feel...

After looking again at the unifiber(2012 & 13), yes there are hardtop/constant curve. They seem to have stayed that way even nowadays. I didn't realize chinook was more flex top/CC!
The naish mast is looking like the better choice right about now even though it is pricier. I have not tryed thses odd shaped sails but have talked to people in my area that sail them and find them really good wave sails, even for heavier guys. And how can you beat using only 1 mast for 4 sails(3 in my case). That idea alone allows me to go for an expensive mast that I wouldn't be able to afford if I had to by 2 or 3 of them

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A very good rule however is to put your sails on the mast it was made for. This prevents your mind being filled with unecessary doubt about the tuning of your sail.

+1 for this.

Try CAAS masts. They make various mats.

I'm thinking about getting a used fiberspar 370 raduis rdm 95%carbon(Can get it cheap). From the peterman chart they say the 400 is 8.8 ...so hard top constant curve?, which is somewhat close to the naish firestick at 9.7.
If I get the mast and it doesn't work out well I could sell it for what I paid for it.

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gorgesailor said..

CAN17 said..
I'm about to buy some used sails 2013 naish choppers (S,M,L) all rig on 370 rdm. From information I've gathered so far on mast compatibility ,these sails do rig on constant curve masts as they fall pretty much right in the middle of the unifiber chart for 2013. I have talked to people that rig them on anything from naish firesticks(most people) to nolimitz(which are apparently too soft in the bottom, but everyone feels different things when sailing). My options are Chinook rdm 90 retails for $500, I can get the naish 90 rdm for $200 more.

Woundering what you guys think abviously the naish mast will have the exact curve that is designed for naish sails, but how much performance could you really loose for $200 other then the famous Naish name? I am on a budget but like perfomance, I'm not doing anything too crazy yet like backloops or forwards. Mainly will be using for windfoiling, wave riding high wind great lakes, some freestyle/foilstyle stuff.

Anyone try the rdm chinooks on naish sails before?

The Naish sails from that generation rig on masts the Hard top side of CC. They will rig on middle CC masts ok, but the Chinook masts lean the other way - on the Flextop side of CC... they might rig ok but it will definitely change the way the sail rigs. The Chinook masts work really well on Hotsails, Goya, Simmer, Ezzy. but will change the profile on Severne, Naish, Gaastra.

All that said, I hope you have tried the Choppers because I have heard they are quite different in feel...

After looking again at the unifiber(2012 & 13), yes there are hardtop/constant curve. They seem to have stayed that way even nowadays. I didn't realize chinook was more flex top/CC!
The naish mast is looking like the better choice right about now even though it is pricier. I have not tryed thses odd shaped sails but have talked to people in my area that sail them and find them really good wave sails, even for heavier guys. And how can you beat using only 1 mast for 4 sails(3 in my case). That idea alone allows me to go for an expensive mast that I wouldn't be able to afford if I had to by 2 or 3 of them

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gorgesailor said..

CAN17 said..
I'm about to buy some used sails 2013 naish choppers (S,M,L) all rig on 370 rdm. From information I've gathered so far on mast compatibility ,these sails do rig on constant curve masts as they fall pretty much right in the middle of the unifiber chart for 2013. I have talked to people that rig them on anything from naish firesticks(most people) to nolimitz(which are apparently too soft in the bottom, but everyone feels different things when sailing). My options are Chinook rdm 90 retails for $500, I can get the naish 90 rdm for $200 more.

Woundering what you guys think abviously the naish mast will have the exact curve that is designed for naish sails, but how much performance could you really loose for $200 other then the famous Naish name? I am on a budget but like perfomance, I'm not doing anything too crazy yet like backloops or forwards. Mainly will be using for windfoiling, wave riding high wind great lakes, some freestyle/foilstyle stuff.

Anyone try the rdm chinooks on naish sails before?

The Naish sails from that generation rig on masts the Hard top side of CC. They will rig on middle CC masts ok, but the Chinook masts lean the other way - on the Flextop side of CC... they might rig ok but it will definitely change the way the sail rigs. The Chinook masts work really well on Hotsails, Goya, Simmer, Ezzy. but will change the profile on Severne, Naish, Gaastra.

All that said, I hope you have tried the Choppers because I have heard they are quite different in feel...

... have not tryed thses odd shaped sails but have talked to people in my area that sail them and find them really good wave sails, even for heavier guys. And how can you beat using only 1 mast for 4 sails(3 in my case). That idea alone allows me to go for an expensive mast that I wouldn't be able to afford if I had to by 2 or 3 of them

The people I know have tried Choppers gave mixed reviews... The ones who described the pull of the sail as more back handed & soft... made me think it is Polar opposite of my KS3 sails, so definitely not for me. But, to each his own....

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CAN17 said..

gorgesailor said..

CAN17 said..
I'm about to buy some used sails 2013 naish choppers (S,M,L) all rig on 370 rdm. From information I've gathered so far on mast compatibility ,these sails do rig on constant curve masts as they fall pretty much right in the middle of the unifiber chart for 2013. I have talked to people that rig them on anything from naish firesticks(most people) to nolimitz(which are apparently too soft in the bottom, but everyone feels different things when sailing). My options are Chinook rdm 90 retails for $500, I can get the naish 90 rdm for $200 more.

Woundering what you guys think abviously the naish mast will have the exact curve that is designed for naish sails, but how much performance could you really loose for $200 other then the famous Naish name? I am on a budget but like perfomance, I'm not doing anything too crazy yet like backloops or forwards. Mainly will be using for windfoiling, wave riding high wind great lakes, some freestyle/foilstyle stuff.

Anyone try the rdm chinooks on naish sails before?

The Naish sails from that generation rig on masts the Hard top side of CC. They will rig on middle CC masts ok, but the Chinook masts lean the other way - on the Flextop side of CC... they might rig ok but it will definitely change the way the sail rigs. The Chinook masts work really well on Hotsails, Goya, Simmer, Ezzy. but will change the profile on Severne, Naish, Gaastra.

All that said, I hope you have tried the Choppers because I have heard they are quite different in feel...

After looking again at the unifiber(2012 & 13), yes there are hardtop/constant curve. They seem to have stayed that way even nowadays. I didn't realize chinook was more flex top/CC!
The naish mast is looking like the better choice right about now even though it is pricier. I have not tryed thses odd shaped sails but have talked to people in my area that sail them and find them really good wave sails, even for heavier guys. And how can you beat using only 1 mast for 4 sails(3 in my case). That idea alone allows me to go for an expensive mast that I wouldn't be able to afford if I had to by 2 or 3 of them

CAN17 said..

gorgesailor said..

CAN17 said..
I'm about to buy some used sails 2013 naish choppers (S,M,L) all rig on 370 rdm. From information I've gathered so far on mast compatibility ,these sails do rig on constant curve masts as they fall pretty much right in the middle of the unifiber chart for 2013. I have talked to people that rig them on anything from naish firesticks(most people) to nolimitz(which are apparently too soft in the bottom, but everyone feels different things when sailing). My options are Chinook rdm 90 retails for $500, I can get the naish 90 rdm for $200 more.

Woundering what you guys think abviously the naish mast will have the exact curve that is designed for naish sails, but how much performance could you really loose for $200 other then the famous Naish name? I am on a budget but like perfomance, I'm not doing anything too crazy yet like backloops or forwards. Mainly will be using for windfoiling, wave riding high wind great lakes, some freestyle/foilstyle stuff.

Anyone try the rdm chinooks on naish sails before?

The Naish sails from that generation rig on masts the Hard top side of CC. They will rig on middle CC masts ok, but the Chinook masts lean the other way - on the Flextop side of CC... they might rig ok but it will definitely change the way the sail rigs. The Chinook masts work really well on Hotsails, Goya, Simmer, Ezzy. but will change the profile on Severne, Naish, Gaastra.

All that said, I hope you have tried the Choppers because I have heard they are quite different in feel...

... have not tryed thses odd shaped sails but have talked to people in my area that sail them and find them really good wave sails, even for heavier guys. And how can you beat using only 1 mast for 4 sails(3 in my case). That idea alone allows me to go for an expensive mast that I wouldn't be able to afford if I had to by 2 or 3 of them

The people I know have tried Choppers gave mixed reviews... The ones who described the pull of the sail as more back handed & soft... made me think it is Polar opposite of my KS3 sails, so definitely not for me. But, to each his own....

Very interesting, have been told they felt more pull near the mast(front handed), he found it a tiny bit awkward on the foil but perfect in waves that's why he uses his naish lift for foil since it has the power more centred between the hands(which is his preference) and choppers for fins in waves, he is a very good sailor and much heavier then me. Interesting how sails feel different for different body sizes, sailing style and then theres masts

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I'm thinking about getting a used fiberspar 370 raduis rdm 95%carbon(Can get it cheap). From the peterman chart they say the 400 is 8.8 ...so hard top constant curve?, which is somewhat close to the naish firestick at 9.7.
If I get the mast and it doesn't work out well I could sell it for what I paid for it.

Have used Naish Boxer, Sessions and Stealth's from 2003 until 2012. Had the same funding issue as you had back in the days so had a mixed bunch of masts. Plus I tried some different brands before I got a good deal on a complete set of Naish Firestick 100 and Race 100 masts in 2009.

- Fiberspar Radius RDM, when rigged the sails looked the same as with the Firestick 100. Sailing wise was a different story. The sails felt more direct and were a lot harder to control in the gusts with the Radius.
- Gun Select RDM, sails had a bit more loose leach compared to the Firesticks. Felt softer when sailing and easier to control in the highend. Lacked a bit of drive in the lowend. Would be my pick if you're a lighter (sub 80 kg) surfer. With my 100 kg I really liked these in the monofilm Stealth's but not so much in the X-166 Stealth's from 2009 onwards.
- Gaastra Ignition and Gold RDM. Not quite sure about the sizes I used. The Gold RDM came very close to the Firesticks. The Ignitions had the same feel as the Radius.
- Simmer RDM10 (supposed to be flextop) and SC10 (SDM), haven't tried these myself but a friend which also sailed Naish back in the day did. The RDM10 didn't work in the Naishes but the SC10 felt the same as the Race100.
- NP X7 and X-combat RDM, sails totally lacked any drive. Flextop is def. not the way to go with 'older' Naish sails.

In my opinion Gorgesailor is spot on. If the Firestick is out of budget go for a middle CC mast. Will give the Naishes a softer feel and a bit less punch. But if you're not that heavy you will hardly notice the difference.

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gorgesailor said..

CAN17 said..
I'm about to buy some used sails 2013 naish choppers (S,M,L) all rig on 370 rdm. From information I've gathered so far on mast compatibility ,these sails do rig on constant curve masts as they fall pretty much right in the middle of the unifiber chart for 2013. I have talked to people that rig them on anything from naish firesticks(most people) to nolimitz(which are apparently too soft in the bottom, but everyone feels different things when sailing). My options are Chinook rdm 90 retails for $500, I can get the naish 90 rdm for $200 more.

Woundering what you guys think abviously the naish mast will have the exact curve that is designed for naish sails, but how much performance could you really loose for $200 other then the famous Naish name? I am on a budget but like perfomance, I'm not doing anything too crazy yet like backloops or forwards. Mainly will be using for windfoiling, wave riding high wind great lakes, some freestyle/foilstyle stuff.

Anyone try the rdm chinooks on naish sails before?

The Naish sails from that generation rig on masts the Hard top side of CC. They will rig on middle CC masts ok, but the Chinook masts lean the other way - on the Flextop side of CC... they might rig ok but it will definitely change the way the sail rigs. The Chinook masts work really well on Hotsails, Goya, Simmer, Ezzy. but will change the profile on Severne, Naish, Gaastra.

All that said, I hope you have tried the Choppers because I have heard they are quite different in feel...

After looking again at the unifiber(2012 & 13), yes there are hardtop/constant curve. They seem to have stayed that way even nowadays. I didn't realize chinook was more flex top/CC!
The naish mast is looking like the better choice right about now even though it is pricier. I have not tryed thses odd shaped sails but have talked to people in my area that sail them and find them really good wave sails, even for heavier guys. And how can you beat using only 1 mast for 4 sails(3 in my case). That idea alone allows me to go for an expensive mast that I wouldn't be able to afford if I had to by 2 or 3 of them

CAN17 said..

gorgesailor said..

CAN17 said..
I'm about to buy some used sails 2013 naish choppers (S,M,L) all rig on 370 rdm. From information I've gathered so far on mast compatibility ,these sails do rig on constant curve masts as they fall pretty much right in the middle of the unifiber chart for 2013. I have talked to people that rig them on anything from naish firesticks(most people) to nolimitz(which are apparently too soft in the bottom, but everyone feels different things when sailing). My options are Chinook rdm 90 retails for $500, I can get the naish 90 rdm for $200 more.

Woundering what you guys think abviously the naish mast will have the exact curve that is designed for naish sails, but how much performance could you really loose for $200 other then the famous Naish name? I am on a budget but like perfomance, I'm not doing anything too crazy yet like backloops or forwards. Mainly will be using for windfoiling, wave riding high wind great lakes, some freestyle/foilstyle stuff.

Anyone try the rdm chinooks on naish sails before?

The Naish sails from that generation rig on masts the Hard top side of CC. They will rig on middle CC masts ok, but the Chinook masts lean the other way - on the Flextop side of CC... they might rig ok but it will definitely change the way the sail rigs. The Chinook masts work really well on Hotsails, Goya, Simmer, Ezzy. but will change the profile on Severne, Naish, Gaastra.

All that said, I hope you have tried the Choppers because I have heard they are quite different in feel...

... have not tryed thses odd shaped sails but have talked to people in my area that sail them and find them really good wave sails, even for heavier guys. And how can you beat using only 1 mast for 4 sails(3 in my case). That idea alone allows me to go for an expensive mast that I wouldn't be able to afford if I had to by 2 or 3 of them

The people I know have tried Choppers gave mixed reviews... The ones who described the pull of the sail as more back handed & soft... made me think it is Polar opposite of my KS3 sails, so definitely not for me. But, to each his own....

Very interesting, have been told they felt more pull near the mast(front handed), he found it a tiny bit awkward on the foil but perfect in waves that's why he uses his naish lift for foil since it has the power more centred between the hands(which is his preference) and choppers for fins in waves, he is a very good sailor and much heavier then me. Interesting how sails feel different for different body sizes, sailing style and then theres masts

Compared to the Lift, he is probably correct, but the lift is an extreme sail. Very soft & back hand oriented meant to be sailed underpowered so lacks top end stability. In my experience Naish sails have a certain character, just like Ezzy & NP have their own & usually either like or don't like it, but there are always exceptions too. It is always nice when you get someone technical to describe the sail's performance & character, then you have a better idea if it's for you IMHO. For instance, I would have never chose 3 batten wave sails for my type of sailing which is mostly bump & jump with some onshore waves. I would have thought they were strictly for perfect down the line sailing. But I read a review by one of their riders up in the North Sea & he accurately described the feel of the sail which was exactly what I wanted.
As for masts, definitely can really change the feel of the sail. I rigged my Hotsails on Hot masts first, then was able to directly compare to the Chinook before switching over. Though the masts were not exact, the feel was close enough I was willing to switch. On the other hand I also rigged them on a Nolimitz Sumo which is middle CC & it was horrible, the sails were top heavy & dead just about unsailable.... so it matters.

CAN17, I'm a Naish wave sail owner of 5 years. I'm 73kg - a bit heavier than you. This is my wave quiver + mast details that I find optimal. I'm guessing Naish sails would be optimised for a 80-90kg rider ?. We are not, so keep that in mind when you're tuning:

2014 4.2 Naish Force R1, 340 CC C100 RDM Unifiber mast + 30cm extender, ext 12cm. The recommended 370 CC mast feels too stiff. Goes back handed when overpowered, twitchy etc. The 340 increases wind range of this sail (this smaller mast allows me to still plane in 19kt winds. The 400 mast, I go off the plane at about 22kt), and is much nicer to ride.

2019 4.7 Naish Force V, 370 CC C100 RDM loft sails + 30cm extender, ext 4cm. Same above, but an order of magnitude in improvement. The recommended 400 CC RDM makes the sail feel like ****.

2015 5.3 Naish Force V, 400 CC C100 RDM loft sails, ext 22cm (the recommended mast size feels great).

Adelaide, South Australia is a very windy city. I use the 5.3 mostly in winter and spring when it's less than 20kt, and the other two sails when it's +20kt seabreezes in summer.

Hope that helps. I say go for it. Naish is a good brand

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CAN17, I'm a Naish wave sail owner of 5 years. I'm 73kg - a bit heavier than you. This is my wave quiver + mast details that I find optimal. I'm guessing Naish sails would be optimised for a 80-90kg rider ?. We are not, so keep that in mind when you're tuning:

2014 4.2 Naish Force R1, 340 CC C100 RDM Unifiber mast + 30cm extender, ext 12cm. The recommended 370 CC mast feels too stiff. Goes back handed when overpowered, twitchy etc. The 340 increases wind range of this sail (this smaller mast allows me to still plane in 19kt winds. The 400 mast, I go off the plane at about 22kt), and is much nicer to ride.

2019 4.7 Naish Force V, 370 CC C100 RDM loft sails + 30cm extender, ext 4cm. Same above, but an order of magnitude in improvement. The recommended 400 CC RDM makes the sail feel like ****.

2015 5.3 Naish Force V, 400 CC C100 RDM loft sails, ext 22cm (the recommended mast size feels great).

Adelaide, South Australia is a very windy city. I use the 5.3 mostly in winter and spring when it's less than 20kt, and the other two sails when it's +20kt seabreezes in summer.

Hope that helps. I say go for it. Naish is a good brand

There you go, you have taken the back handed character of a Naish sail & tweaked it using more flex top to change the shape... it can work...

Appreciate all the advice, thanks gorgesailer, thetank and jn1 for the feedback on the naish, I have not been able to try a lot of different brands of Sails in my young windsurfing career so I'm glad to get other opinions on this.

In the end I ended up getting a better deal on a quiver of 2013 gaastra poisons with nolimitz rdm 90 masts. Since gaastra was hard top in 2013 to get the sails to rig right the owner used different length top and bottoms for example 370; 400 top and 340 bottom...400 mast; 430 top 370 bottom. Sumo top regular bottom. Wind NC describes this as super hard top mast. I think it's cool how you can do this to get the desired mast bend for your sail. As 5 batton sails is what I'm used to and I sail in a lot of onshore sometimes gusty condition these sails should fit the bill nicely
Coming off early 2000s neil prydes it should be quite the upgrade. 2013 is when sails started to get good

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Appreciate all the advice, thanks gorgesailer, thetank and jn1 for the feedback on the naish, I have not been able to try a lot of different brands of Sails in my young windsurfing career so I'm glad to get other opinions on this.

In the end I ended up getting a better deal on a quiver of 2013 gaastra poisons with nolimitz rdm 90 masts. Since gaastra was hard top in 2013 to get the sails to rig right the owner used different length top and bottoms for example 370; 400 top and 340 bottom...400 mast; 430 top 370 bottom. Sumo top regular bottom. Wind NC describes this as super hard top mast. I think it's cool how you can do this to get the desired mast bend for your sail. As 5 batton sails is what I'm used to and I sail in a lot of onshore sometimes gusty condition these sails should fit the bill nicely
Coming off early 2000s neil prydes it should be quite the upgrade. 2013 is when sails started to get good

Sweet! .... sounds like the previous owner did all the homework for you too!

Enjoy!

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There you go, you have taken the back handed character of a Naish sail & tweaked it using more flex top to change the shape... it can work...

To the big guys: "Do not try this at home. Repeat, do not try this at home"