Hi

I need your help to solve a big big problem i have.

I had for 9 years a Isonic 107 from 2014, those dark blue Isonics. I used with 7 and 7.8 OD sails and loved it

The problem was that the board started to get soft everywhere and i decided to buy a new 2022 Futura 109L to replace it and went after the marketing hype that says that the Futuras are nearly as fast as the Isonics but much more comfortable.
As i am 53 years i went on board with the hype and bought one!!

First try on the water and was gutted as the board is slow as a turtle compared to the Isonic, of course its comfortable and great to gybe but to slow for my needs.
I tried it 5 more days and no way i can go as fast as i want on the board.

So now i want to buy a new board

I want a board similar to the Isonic 107 that was 69.5cm width and around 107 to 110L
I am looking at the Isonic 72 but with 121L it makes me feel strange with that width and so many litres as i have more boards in my quiver
I am afraid the with 121L it will be very close to my 125L board and to far from my 95L boards

I am 80Kg and sail only with Severne OD from 5.1 to 8.6 and have the following boards:

Severne Fox 95L
Starboard Isonic 63
Starboard Futura 109 (the turtle board)
Patrick Slalom 125L
Starboard Isonic 147L

From you guys and girls with experience on several brands what would you recommend for a board around 70cm wide to use with 7.0 and 7.8?

I see on the market two similar boards to my old Isonic 107, the Future Fly 107 and the Fanatic Falcon 107 but i am afraid to buy another board and then see it was another mistake
I have used Isonics for 10 years and love them but the 72cm wide being 121L doesn't make me confident to buy it

Can anyone give me some inputs and tips?

Thank you all and sorry for the long post

Cheers

Mario Milhazes

lol ,the turtle board , well Mario I bought the 67 x 113 Isonic of late ,best sails are 6,3 -7,8 ,its a machine ,I have not got it to its top speed yet I just haven't had good conditions yet ,but I think it would be a great replacement for the 107 which was the love child board back then , someone told me it actually has 112 litres .
I also have the 2022 ,77 Isonic x127 litres for 7,8 and 9 ,so I skipped the 73 isonic x 124 litres so can't comment on it ,
I have had 34,2 knots on the 77 ,yet to explore the top speed of the 67 ,but the control and new tail it feels super slippery
it is a pleasure to sail and it has some speed for sure ,it feels smaller than my 110 v3 Patrik but feels faster and more free ,
I would go as far as saying its my favourite board so far ,

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mmilhazes said..
Hi

I need your help to solve a big big problem i have.

I had for 9 years a Isonic 107 from 2014, those dark blue Isonics. I used with 7 and 7.8 OD sails and loved it

The problem was that the board started to get soft everywhere and i decided to buy a new 2022 Futura 109L to replace it and went after the marketing hype that says that the Futuras are nearly as fast as the Isonics but much more comfortable.
As i am 53 years i went on board with the hype and bought one!!

First try on the water and was gutted as the board is slow as a turtle compared to the Isonic, of course its comfortable and great to gybe but to slow for my needs.
I tried it 5 more days and no way i can go as fast as i want on the board.

So now i want to buy a new board

I want a board similar to the Isonic 107 that was 69.5cm width and around 107 to 110L
I am looking at the Isonic 72 but with 121L it makes me feel strange with that width and so many litres as i have more boards in my quiver
I am afraid the with 121L it will be very close to my 125L board and to far from my 95L boards

I am 80Kg and sail only with Severne OD from 5.1 to 8.6 and have the following boards:

Severne Fox 95L
Starboard Isonic 63
Starboard Futura 109 (the turtle board)
Patrick Slalom 125L
Starboard Isonic 147L

From you guys and girls with experience on several brands what would you recommend for a board around 70cm wide to use with 7.0 and 7.8?

I see on the market two similar boards to my old Isonic 107, the Future Fly 107 and the Fanatic Falcon 107 but i am afraid to buy another board and then see it was another mistake
I have used Isonics for 10 years and love them but the 72cm wide being 121L doesn't make me confident to buy it

Can anyone give me some inputs and tips?

Thank you all and sorry for the long post

Cheers

Mario Milhazes

I had a similar experience with the Futura 109. Maybe I was sailing it under powered, but I always felt that most of the sail power was not being released into speed, the board just seem to drag and chop slowed it down.

Maybe what you need is an Isonic 67? It is a bit more volume then the Futura, 113L - 67 wide, should easily carry a 7.0 ... a maybe fine with 7.8. I have an AV Modena 88L - 60 wide that is very happy with 6.8.

The German Surf magazine did a slalom vs freerace board test in 2020, boards around the 71cm size. They didnt rate the Futura as a fast board. Gave it a 3 for freeride as it was easy to use.
The Fanatic Jag, Tabou Rocket+ and JP Supersport were very fast, only 2km/h down on speed from the slalom boards.
RRD Firestorm was more like fast freeride..

A 100kg fast sailor where I live uses Tabou Mantas. He hammers his boards over the chop, does a lot of miles, and as far as I am aware has never had a board go soft. He changes his boards every 2-3 years, but must do twice the distance of most people. Surf mag said the Manta was harder to sail at the top end than the other boards.

Take a look at the AV boards, they are from the Kinetic factory. They have a Modena slalom board of 68cm/108l & 72.5/118l. I really like my Nuvolari freerace, seems fast and comfortable, although I dont have slalom sails to really push it. Some padding came off my van, and the board rubbed the paint off the van, not the other way around. Twan Verseput proves they are fast www.gps-speedsurfing.com/?mnu=user&val=385977&uid=3923

They dont appear to have a link to that test online for you to buy, so I've copied some here:
Google translation:
With supersonic the iSonic shines especially in the upper
wind range to be underway. In the planing phase
both cars are still very close to each other,
at the latest when kicking down, the iSonic brings
felt twice the torque on the slopes and
rushes off impetuously, where the Futura still rather leisurely
accelerated. Especially in full plane builds
(despite the same fin assembly) in the Futura
noticeably more sail pull and pressure on the rear
Legs up - also in comparison to other freerace boards.
This costs more power when there are gusts
when it is translated into additional speed and that
Board flatter against the chop in the chop
lets run. The iSonic, on the other hand, uses every node
Wind speed with brute acceleration and leaves
the Futura very easily with less effort
Meter by meter behind. It's similar though
stable, safe driving experience of the opponents who
Control is very easy with both, the boards rise
just never. If there is a lot of wind, the Futura will be there
never as free as the iSonic and struggles on downwind courses
through the chop more down while the
Slalom racer flies lightly over it. tendency
similar to the Freeracer, but only one
very moderately race-oriented (because further inside
lying) loop position are also available for the
slalom board the loops are not quite so extreme
mounted on the edge as in JP Slalom, for example.
This also makes it easier for non-professionals to use the iSonic
slipping in is noticeable, but here without losses
in top speed control. In the jibe score
does the iSonic do what it should, namely with speed and
Carve pressure through the jibe, but not much
more. The Futura convinces with medium power jibes
Radii with super grip and control at all
Conditions.
Conclusion: With the Starboard combo, the upgrade is worthwhile
paid for performance. The Futura pulls in
Comparative rides - as a rather average engine
Freeraceboard - against the top slalom racer
iSonic clearly the shorter ones.

ps: I think Starboard's brochure hype is top drawer, full of bull.

Forgot to mention that they gave the iSonic 5 for freerace, the other slalom boards were 4. Presumably for ease of use.

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Tardy said..
lol ,the turtle board , well Mario I bought the 67 x 113 Isonic of late ,best sails are 6,3 -7,8 ,its a machine ,I have not got it to its top speed yet I just haven't had good conditions yet ,but I think it would be a great replacement for the 107 which was the love child board back then , someone told me it actually has 112 litres .
I also have the 2022 ,77 Isonic x127 litres for 7,8 and 9 ,so I skipped the 73 isonic x 124 litres so can't comment on it ,
I have had 34,2 knots on the 77 ,yet to explore the top speed of the 67 ,but the control and new tail it feels super slippery
it is a pleasure to sail and it has some speed for sure ,it feels smaller than my 110 v3 Patrik but feels faster and more free ,
I would go as far as saying its my favourite board so far ,

Hi Tardy

Thanks for the reply and help
Yes the 67 would be a great replacement but it is a very hard board do find in the second hand market, i can find a lot of 72 but no 67 so i have to wait more time to see if something pops up
I just waisted all my credits buying the new turtle 109 so now i have to buy a used isonic

Thanks

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duzzi said..

mmilhazes said..
Hi

I need your help to solve a big big problem i have.

I had for 9 years a Isonic 107 from 2014, those dark blue Isonics. I used with 7 and 7.8 OD sails and loved it

The problem was that the board started to get soft everywhere and i decided to buy a new 2022 Futura 109L to replace it and went after the marketing hype that says that the Futuras are nearly as fast as the Isonics but much more comfortable.
As i am 53 years i went on board with the hype and bought one!!

First try on the water and was gutted as the board is slow as a turtle compared to the Isonic, of course its comfortable and great to gybe but to slow for my needs.
I tried it 5 more days and no way i can go as fast as i want on the board.

So now i want to buy a new board

I want a board similar to the Isonic 107 that was 69.5cm width and around 107 to 110L
I am looking at the Isonic 72 but with 121L it makes me feel strange with that width and so many litres as i have more boards in my quiver
I am afraid the with 121L it will be very close to my 125L board and to far from my 95L boards

I am 80Kg and sail only with Severne OD from 5.1 to 8.6 and have the following boards:

Severne Fox 95L
Starboard Isonic 63
Starboard Futura 109 (the turtle board)
Patrick Slalom 125L
Starboard Isonic 147L

From you guys and girls with experience on several brands what would you recommend for a board around 70cm wide to use with 7.0 and 7.8?

I see on the market two similar boards to my old Isonic 107, the Future Fly 107 and the Fanatic Falcon 107 but i am afraid to buy another board and then see it was another mistake
I have used Isonics for 10 years and love them but the 72cm wide being 121L doesn't make me confident to buy it

Can anyone give me some inputs and tips?

Thank you all and sorry for the long post

Cheers

Mario Milhazes

I had a similar experience with the Futura 109. Maybe I was sailing it under powered, but I always felt that most of the sail power was not being released into speed, the board just seem to drag and chop slowed it down.

Maybe what you need is an Isonic 67? It is a bit more volume then the Futura, 113L - 67 wide, should easily carry a 7.0 ... a maybe fine with 7.8. I have an AV Modena 88L - 60 wide that is very happy with 6.8.

Hi Duzzi

Thanks for the reply and help
That is exactly what i feel (the board just seem to drag and chop slowed it down) so many ???? waisted on this

Yes the 67 would be a great replacement but it is a very hard board do find in the second hand market, i can find a lot of 72 but no 67 so i have to wait more time to see if something pops up

Cheers

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PhilUK said..
ps: I think Starboard's brochure hype is top drawer, full of bull.

Hi PhilUK

Thanks for the reply and help
Damn i didn't read the test before i buyed the board
I had Futuras more than 10 years ago and they where very fast........then i went to Isonics for 10 years and now i tried to buy and new Futura because i loved them in the past....but clearly the board is slower than i thinked and went of the hype trend from starboard that says that the Futuras are nearly as fast as the Isonic but with more comfort

Just to compare with the same conditions around 25knots of wind on the Isonic 107 i did 60kmh, changed to the Futura 109 and didn't go over 47kmh, so the difference is huge.
I used the same sail, OD 7m and the same fin, just swapped the boards and it was a disaster

Yes you are right the hype is full of bull.....
I am going to look into the AV Boards, the construction is top notch from what i have heard!!

Thanks

Cheers!!

Tabou Speedster 108 carbon version.

Fox 105.

Simmer 106.

The problem is you have the fastest isonic they ever made

You will find it very hard to match now

The latest Isonic 67 is a beast and worth buying new. But if new is out of your budget then both the 106 (68 wide) and 115 (71.5 wide) 2020/21/22 Fanatic Falcons are fast in flat water and controlled in the chop.

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Mark _australia said..
The problem is you have the fastest isonic they ever made

You will find it very hard to match now

WOW

I didnt know that....so maybe i should go back and look to buy a 107 2014 that is in better state than the one i sold, that had lot of miles on it
Now you made me start thinking in this option Mark

Why not stick with Patrick if you have their other boards?

Try a good carbon fin

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mmilhazes said..

Tardy said..
lol ,the turtle board , well Mario I bought the 67 x 113 Isonic of late ,best sails are 6,3 -7,8 ,its a machine ,I have not got it to its top speed yet I just haven't had good conditions yet ,but I think it would be a great replacement for the 107 which was the love child board back then , someone told me it actually has 112 litres .
I also have the 2022 ,77 Isonic x127 litres for 7,8 and 9 ,so I skipped the 73 isonic x 124 litres so can't comment on it ,
I have had 34,2 knots on the 77 ,yet to explore the top speed of the 67 ,but the control and new tail it feels super slippery
it is a pleasure to sail and it has some speed for sure ,it feels smaller than my 110 v3 Patrik but feels faster and more free ,
I would go as far as saying its my favourite board so far ,

Hi Tardy

Thanks for the reply and help
Yes the 67 would be a great replacement but it is a very hard board do find in the second hand market, i can find a lot of 72 but no 67 so i have to wait more time to see if something pops up
I just waisted all my credits buying the new turtle 109 so now i have to buy a used isonic

Thanks

I doubt you will see a 67 second hand , its one worth hanging onto ,and guys do .
The 72 seems like a real nice board ,even though the newer ones are now 73 ,it will be a good step down from your 125 x 77,5 wide
Patrik ,a 71 Manta is also a great really fast board .I'm sorry i sold mine ,maybe even the 115 Patrik SL would fit your Quiver too .
Happy hunting ,if your not happy with the Futura ,sell it and move on .ones you've had speed you always want it .

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Grantmac said..
Why not stick with Patrick if you have their other boards?

Hi

I have one patrick board because it was a great deal i was in urgency to replace my isonic 117W that went soft everywhere
The Patrick 110L is only 65cm wide and the 115L that is 70cm wide has to much liters for what i want.
115L is to close to 125 and to far from my 95L

I want to have the 95L, 110L and 125L, this is the ideal gap in liters for my weight and sails

Chees

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choco said..
Try a good carbon fin

Hi

Cant get much better than a Z Fin, even with that it is slow.....

Tardy there is a very nice 21 67w isonic on the buy n sell now, did you miss it . It's too far away for Mario I think

Mario you have a great board collection already, for a board to use with both 7.0 and 7.8m sails, the 67w/113l isonic would slot into that quiver very well. The 72w will be too close to your patrik 125l.

Hi Mario, I have been riding the Isonics 72-73 and the boards are fast, very fast. From 13-26 knots with 7.8 and 7 sail size- OD/M4/M5M6 with a 37 fin. The larger volume is not a problem, it's actually nice in lighter winds but not a problem in high winds. The board gives you so much control and confidence.
Also the new Fox V3 are great boards. I had a go on some of them and they are fast and comfortable. I hope this helps

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catchmeifucan said..
Hi Mario, I have been riding the Isonics 72-73 and the boards are fast, very fast. From 13-26 knots with 7.8 and 7 sail size- OD/M4/M5M6 with a 37 fin. The larger volume is not a problem, it's actually nice in lighter winds but not a problem in high winds. The board gives you so much control and confidence.
Also the new Fox V3 are great boards. I had a go on some of them and they are fast and comfortable. I hope this helps

Yes, having seen how fast you are on it plenty of times, im now interested to see how fast you go with an anchor attached.

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Dezza said..
Tardy there is a very nice 21 67w isonic on the buy n sell now, did you miss it . It's too far away for Mario I think

Mario you have a great board collection already, for a board to use with both 7.0 and 7.8m sails, the 67w/113l isonic would slot into that quiver very well. The 72w will be too close to your patrik 125l.

Hi Dezza

Thanks for your reply and help

Unfortunately i am to far away to buy that board
After all your comments i am looking for the 67 but the problem is the supply chain
In Europe i can find the 72 new or used easily but the 67 no, neither used or new, all gone
I have to keep looking and waiting for what pops up, meanwhile i have to slog with the turtle sometimes

Cheers

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catchmeifucan said..
Hi Mario, I have been riding the Isonics 72-73 and the boards are fast, very fast. From 13-26 knots with 7.8 and 7 sail size- OD/M4/M5M6 with a 37 fin. The larger volume is not a problem, it's actually nice in lighter winds but not a problem in high winds. The board gives you so much control and confidence.
Also the new Fox V3 are great boards. I had a go on some of them and they are fast and comfortable. I hope this helps

Hi

Thanks for your reply and help
Some friends tell me to buy the 72, but i am only 80Kg and not 90kg + that can hold a 121L board with 7M with 25 knots and chop.
I know that the 72 despite the volume is very controlable but with 121L it is to close to my 125L
I love the Fox 95 V2 that i have, best board for blasting around in high wind and huge chop i am curious if the V3 is as good as the V2
I have a friend that pre-ordered a Fox 102 V3 in Agust of 2022 and sill hasn't received it

Cheers

Hi mmilhazes, I see you live in Portugal. Because you do not like the Futura, maybe the surf shop were you purchase it will do a good deal on exchanging the Futura for an iS67, have you asked them? If it is a good surf shop, I'm sure they will try their best to help you out.

A little birdie told me the 2024 iSonic range will include the old pine wood construction. I don't know prices, but I'd expect the wood construction prices to be less than carbon.

Oh, and for 80kg, the iS67 will better for you than the iS72.

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mark62 said..
Hi mmilhazes, I see you live in Portugal. Because you do not like the Futura, maybe the surf shop were you purchase it will do a good deal on exchanging the Futura for an iS67, have you asked them? If it is a good surf shop, I'm sure they will try their best to help you out.

A little birdie told me the 2024 iSonic range will include the old pine wood construction. I don't know prices, but I'd expect the wood construction prices to be less than carbon.

Oh, and for 80kg, the iS67 will better for you than the iS72.

Hi Mark

Thanks for the reply and help
Yes i live in Portugal
The problem is this: I bought the 2022 Futura for 1850? and after speaking to the store they will only sell a 2023 Isonic 67L for 2850, so the deal is give back the Futura and pay more 1350?, as the Futura is now only worth 1500? after 5 uses The problem is the 1 year gap between models
I am thinking also of not selling the Futura because i will loose a lot of money but also i will keep it for when i go out in open ocean with big swell, in these kind of conditions i don't want to go fast as in flat water

Cheers

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mmilhazes said..

catchmeifucan said..
Hi Mario, I have been riding the Isonics 72-73 and the boards are fast, very fast. From 13-26 knots with 7.8 and 7 sail size- OD/M4/M5M6 with a 37 fin. The larger volume is not a problem, it's actually nice in lighter winds but not a problem in high winds. The board gives you so much control and confidence.
Also the new Fox V3 are great boards. I had a go on some of them and they are fast and comfortable. I hope this helps

Hi

Thanks for your reply and help
Some friends tell me to buy the 72, but i am only 80Kg and not 90kg + that can hold a 121L board with 7M with 25 knots and chop.
I know that the 72 despite the volume is very controlable but with 121L it is to close to my 125L
I love the Fox 95 V2 that i have, best board for blasting around in high wind and huge chop i am curious if the V3 is as good as the V2
I have a friend that pre-ordered a Fox 102 V3 in Agust of 2022 and sill hasn't received it

Cheers

They're better, I have ridden the 95 and the 105 FoxV3 in 30 knots with the M6 and they are impressive. It would be nice if they came with tuttle box. If you go with the 72 you probably won't use your 125. If you want to keep your 125 go for the 67. Construction wise go for the carbon reflex It's the better product and more durable from personal experience. ??

Tabou Manta - Re entered the sport after years. Previously been only on Isonics and SB Formula boards. Bought a 2011 Manta because it was too cheap to pass up and barely used.

Has the speed of the isonic but so much easier to control especially in chop. The wind range on it is massive. - wish I had been on them earlier

Hi

I finally solved the problem.
Bought a second hand Isonic 67 from 2020!! What a difference to the Futura
Now i have the Futura stuck in the garage as a ornament

Cheers

Well done Mmilhaze ,it's one of my favorite boards .

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Tardy said..

Great video.
Thanks!!