I guess the 2nd fin has a unique feeling, but the first and last quite close.

Very entertaining. Wouldn't I love to be able to sail like him..

He almost got launched jibing the freeride fin. I wonder why - less able to maintain speed into the transition?

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He almost got launched jibing the freeride fin. I wonder why - less able to maintain speed into the transition?

Freeride fin doesn't allow the nose and forward rails to ride as freely, so the technique of getting lots of weight driving forward through a racing style jibe shoves the shoulders of the board in, causing a near-catapult as the brakes get applied suddenly. . The race fins provide more lift requiring you to be forward and driving hard through the front foot to engage the rail.

If the board rides so much higher and free over chop with a carbon fin, shouldn't freeriders/ freeracers also be using them?

Being ignorant, I'm curious about the g10 freeride vs carbon fin comments.

I've got g10 MUF weed slalom fins for two boards bow, and they feel good. It's almost a necessity for weed fins here. I've got a carbon select 43cm for my Blast but it collects weeds easily so I don't use it as much and prefee the MUF.

Anyway, they also make a carbon race version. Is there that huge of a difference with just the fin? Do I need a purebread slalom board and cammed sails to really notice it or will something like the Blast noticeably improve with a more racy carbon fin?

I'm not super faat, mostly due to regular winds not being super strong, but I've done 24-26 knots. First session on my MUF weed slalom with my xcite I almost hit 23kts trying to push as hard as possible with a downwind angle but I was on a 6.3 freek and probably could've had more speed with my 6.6 goya mark? Definitely less pull in the freek vs goya but it's easier to handle.

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aeroegnr said..
Being ignorant, I'm curious about the g10 freeride vs carbon fin comments.

I've got g10 MUF weed slalom fins for two boards bow, and they feel good. It's almost a necessity for weed fins here. I've got a carbon select 43cm for my Blast but it collects weeds easily so I don't use it as much and prefee the MUF.

Anyway, they also make a carbon race version. Is there that huge of a difference with just the fin? Do I need a purebread slalom board and cammed sails to really notice it or will something like the Blast noticeably improve with a more racy carbon fin?

I'm not super faat, mostly due to regular winds not being super strong, but I've done 24-26 knots. First session on my MUF weed slalom with my xcite I almost hit 23kts trying to push as hard as possible with a downwind angle but I was on a 6.3 freek and probably could've had more speed with my 6.6 goya mark? Definitely less pull in the freek vs goya but it's easier to handle.

I have the carbon MUF weeder - once I'm back south in August you're welcome to plug it into your board for comparison. These fins are so long-chord that I doubt their twist and flex is much of an issue, so the advantage for the carbon fin is likely just its incredibly light weight. This one weighs about a pound less than a similarly sized Black Project. It's insanely fast and doesn't overpower but doesn't seem to light up as early as the Black Project weed fins, which start lifting at very low speeds. The MUF needs to be urged onto plane well off the wind before being asked to point at all.

I can compare two very good race fins directly - a Tectonics G10 62 and a Kashy XXS 62, both handmade, high-end fins and both of which I've used on my big board with 8.6 and 10.0 sails. The Kashy has a much softer tip and is thinner overall - I doubt you could make a G10 fin that thin without risking it breaking when fully loaded. The Kashy has been up to 33mph - which on an 8.6 and a 91cm board feels very fast - and was still very controllable. I've never been able to urge the Tectonics past 30.

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aeroegnr said..
Being ignorant, I'm curious about the g10 freeride vs carbon fin comments.

I've got g10 MUF weed slalom fins for two boards bow, and they feel good. It's almost a necessity for weed fins here. I've got a carbon select 43cm for my Blast but it collects weeds easily so I don't use it as much and prefee the MUF.

Anyway, they also make a carbon race version. Is there that huge of a difference with just the fin? Do I need a purebread slalom board and cammed sails to really notice it or will something like the Blast noticeably improve with a more racy carbon fin?

I'm not super faat, mostly due to regular winds not being super strong, but I've done 24-26 knots. First session on my MUF weed slalom with my xcite I almost hit 23kts trying to push as hard as possible with a downwind angle but I was on a 6.3 freek and probably could've had more speed with my 6.6 goya mark? Definitely less pull in the freek vs goya but it's easier to handle.

I have the carbon MUF weeder - once I'm back south in August you're welcome to plug it into your board for comparison. These fins are so long-chord that I doubt their twist and flex is much of an issue, so the advantage for the carbon fin is likely just its incredibly light weight. This one weighs about a pound less than a similarly sized Black Project. It's insanely fast and doesn't overpower but doesn't seem to light up as early as the Black Project weed fins, which start lifting at very low speeds. The MUF needs to be urged onto plane well off the wind before being asked to point at all.

I can compare two very good race fins directly - a Tectonics G10 62 and a Kashy XXS 62, both handmade, high-end fins and both of which I've used on my big board with 8.6 and 10.0 sails. The Kashy has a much softer tip and is thinner overall - I doubt you could make a G10 fin that thin without risking it breaking when fully loaded. The Kashy has been up to 33mph - which on an 8.6 and a 91cm board feels very fast - and was still very controllable. I've never been able to urge the Tectonics past 30.

Awesome, that sounds fun to me. By the way I also have this huge 68cm Drake that came with the IQ but never tried. It's the only board I have that's appropriately wide at 95cm. It takes changing the footstrap positions to use and not sure why I would bother, unless I just wanted to experiment in deep/weedless water without a foil on a lightish day.

I don't know that you'd really need to change strap positions - the big fins like the straps way out on the rail and the back strap just overlapping the the front bolt, just like foils do (unless you've got that back strap all the way back which could be a little scary). The problem is that the 9.0 isn't really big enough for light wind finning - those Formula fins work best with sails around 11 or above. Definitely worth a try though, on some day when it's blowing 12 or so and you could foil on a 6m. The speed the big fins can get to is ridiculous and the pointing angle rivals what you can do on a foil.

Maybe it would work without adjusting? I don't know. I had the Blast setup all the way back and liked it there, but it's not even close to the same type.

The official guide does recommend rear all the way back and two notches back on the front strap vs. foil setup, with tweaks to mast base: iqfoil.star-board.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/iFoil-Board-Trimming-Guide_iQFoil95.pdf