Was the floating buoy part of the jet ski course for the hire place?

Paul, it's getting scary out there, yesterday the "Red Devil" jet boat came strait at Curt and me sailing SE from the Train. Just lined us up and didn't veer off.

I like how it slowly pans around to look behind you.

Yeah Nick that was pretty brazen, we had nowhere to go as we were hard to wind. The few times I've sailed there I get the impression its probably isn't appropriate for those boats to be operating at the Train (a midst kite and windsurfers/jetski's anyways) but that's a "judgement call" which i think you need a brain for.

We all saw those jet boats go screaming by the 6 knot marker too ... clearly they don't give a ...

at least that guy stopped and gave way ive had to stop to miss them in the middle of the bay i think sometimes they actually aim for us so they feel tough in there boats

That red jet boat did the same to me a couple of weeks ago and when I fell in going over his wake he turned around and came back and got all the passengers to laugh and jeer at me in the water. Maybe time to follow up on the pr*%k

Where was that Paul? The Train?

yes coming from sea world side towards the train, it was bloody busy and the water was all chopped up between that and a 100 crab pots despite a nice wind i didn't enjoy the sail

I think some people need to redo their boating and jetski licences. Power always gives way to sail.

Not always, when you'll get the cruise ship teminal , you'll have to give them way

Some of the Rules that apply... (Copied from Qld Transport Site)

???PWC drivers must keep a distance of 30m from other moving boats when travelling at more than 10 knots???unless the PWC is involved in an approved aquatic event or where doing so would endanger the driver or another person.

The International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea requires that you consider the density of traffic in the area to determine a safe speed. The following distances must be adhered to, or reduce speed to 6 knots, within:
???60m of people in the water
???60m of anchored or moored boats, structures, boat ramps, jetties or pontoons
???60m of the shore
???60m of the boundary of a bathing reserve.

Exceptions apply to 6 knots within 60m of the shore under the following conditions:
???The waterway is less than 120m wide, and: ???the operator is operating the PWC in as close as possible to a straight line to transit the area
???the operator stays as close as is possible to the centre of the waterway or a marked channel.

???The PWC is being used in waterskiing/towing.


Sailing boats and power-driven boats
Power usually gives way to sail. However, this does not always apply. Larger vessels, such as ferries or container ships, have difficulty manoeuvring due to their size. Masters of other boats, including sail boats, should always apply common sense and seamanship by giving larger vessels a wide berth.

PWC's must:
Give way to (non-powered boats)
Give way to sailing boats canoes
and boardriders.

If the Red boat is a commercial operation I would suggest initially contacting the owner of the company and stating your concerns about the Speed at which they are travelling close to you guy's... The Permit holder for the Operation should make sure that their drivers are "Operating the Vessel Safely".
Failing that, get some "GoPro" footage showing them passing you at speed close by and try to make sure it shows the Registration number and report them to Qld Transport..
A lot of the time Powerboat owners have no idea of the regulations and how they are endangering your lives...

There are a lot of cowboys out there..

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deejay8204 said...
I think some people need to redo their boating and jetski licences. Power always gives way to sail.

I think you might need to redo yours buddy.

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remo81 said..

deejay8204 said...
I think some people need to redo their boating and jetski licences. Power always gives way to sail.

I think you might need to redo yours buddy.

i reckon you should redo yours remo woop woop.

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boardboy said..

remo81 said..

deejay8204 said...
I think some people need to redo their boating and jetski licences. Power always gives way to sail.

I think you might need to redo yours buddy.

i reckon you should redo yours remo woop woop.

I think the only exception is in a marked channel

Actually....Rule 13 of the international Collision Regs. Pretty pertinent to us sailboarders since we can often travel faster than many power driven vessels so sail shall give way to power in this case.

(a) Notwithstanding anything contained in the Rules of part B, Sections I and II, any vessel
overtaking any other shall keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken.
(b) A vessel shall be deemed to be overtaking when coming up with another vessel from a direction
more than 22.5 degrees abaft her beam, that is, in such a position with reference to the vessel
she is overtaking, that at night she would be able to see only the sternlight of that vessel but
neither of her sidelights.
(c) When a vessel is in any doubt as to whether she is overtaking another, she shall
assume that this is the case and act accordingly.
(d) Any subsequent alteration of the bearing between the two vessels shall not
make the overtaking vessel a crossing vessel within the meaning of these Rules
or relieve her of the duty of keeping clear of the overtaken vessel until she is
finally past and clear.

I recon the gc is a freaky place to sail so hold on tight, close your eyes and home for the best. Get the best selfy cause it could be your last. Its setup for $$$ so bring your wallet or go home, god help us, train today was some crap kite doing 11- 15 knots hard on the bank ....yawn. While we all wait around for it to end if your gonna kite at the train get your speeds up cause its scary passing u downwind at 30 when u dont look when boosting at 15 knots Grrrrrrrrr if u choose to sail high then man up ans sail quick cause you r are just in the way :( f###king dangerous!!!!

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remo81 said..

deejay8204 said...
I think some people need to redo their boating and jetski licences. Power always gives way to sail.

I think you might need to redo yours buddy.

i reckon you should redo yours remo woop woop.

I recon you need to redo yours woop woop woop!!!

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vando said..

boardboy said..

remo81 said..

deejay8204 said...
I think some people need to redo their boating and jetski licences. Power always gives way to sail.

I think you might need to redo yours buddy.

i reckon you should redo yours remo woop woop.

I think the only exception is in a marked channel

Maybe when a vessel has restricted manoeuvrability? Or is under pilotage perhaps??

Me thinks that Vando is on to something???

Channel markers has a bit to do with it. Something about restricted waters... COLREGS would be the place to start quoting. If your into that stuff??

One of the lads in the FNQ Mob is a pilot with a Master Mariners deep sea foreign going ticket, I think he would be able to inform the missinformed. (Maybe thats me??)

Sail gives way when overtaking.

Sail gives way to a vessel constrained by her draft.

Sail gives way to a vessel not under command.

Sail gives way to a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre (due to the nature of her work)

Sail gives way to a vessel engaged in fishing (this means commercial fishing)

A vessel of less than 20 metres in length or a sailing vessel shall not impede the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within a narrow channel or fairway

A vessel shall not cross a narrow channel or fairway if such crossing impedes the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within such channel or fairway.

Would we consider a jet boat or jet ski a vessel restricted in its ability to maneuver? If we are in the channel (not crossing the channel) and the jet boat is coming head on and we cannot head up any higher would we have right of way?
The spot where Paul was nearly hit is not in the channel as such and was just on the Northern side of a jet ski franchise (I think).
Perhaps the most pertinent point in the "colregs" is to take positive steps avoid potential collisions.

Jfunk if what you say is right, we have to give way to everybody, what is your take on said jet boat intentionally spinning out in the middle of the channel, if i did this on a jet ski i could be fined for unsafe operations.

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Jfunk if what you say is right, we have to give way to everybody, what is your take on said jet boat intentionally spinning out in the middle of the channel, if i did this on a jet ski i could be fined for unsafe operations.

I'd say that would come under "Sail gives way to a vessel not under command" the word "competent" is silent and occurs between the words "under command"

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Jfunk said..

Sail gives way when overtaking.

Sail gives way to a vessel constrained by her draft.

Sail gives way to a vessel not under command.

Sail gives way to a vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre (due to the nature of her work)

Sail gives way to a vessel engaged in fishing (this means commercial fishing)

A vessel of less than 20 metres in length or a sailing vessel shall not impede the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within a narrow channel or fairway

A vessel shall not cross a narrow channel or fairway if such crossing impedes the passage of a vessel which can safely navigate only within such channel or fairway.

Windsurfer gives way at all times because you'll always come off second best.

The biggest problem I find is when they suddenly appear out of nowhere, even though you are always alert for them. Damn invisible boats.

No team, there are definitions of what each of those categories means.

The term vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre means a vessel which from the nature of her work is restricted in her ability to manoeuvre as required by these Rules and is therefore unable to keep out of the way of another vessel.
The term vessels restricted in their ability to manoeuvre shall include but not be limited to:
(i) a vessel engaged in laying, servicing or picking up a navigation mark, submarine cable or pipeline;
(ii) a vessel engaged in dredging, surveying or underwater operations;
(iii) a vessel engaged in replenishment or transferring persons, provisions or cargo while underway;
(iv) a vessel engaged in the launching or recovery of aircraft;
(v) a vessel engaged in mine clearance operations;
(vi) a vessel engaged in a towing operation such as severely restricts the towing vessel and her tow in their ability to deviate from their course.


The term vessel engaged in fishing means any vessel fishing with nets, lines, trawls or other fishing apparatus which restrict manoeuvrability, but does not include a vessel fishing with trolling lines or other fishing apparatus which do not restrict manoeuvrability.
In other words, a few recreational fishing lines does not mean that a vessel is engaged in fishing for the purpose of the Rules.

The term vessel not under command means a vessel which through some exceptional circumstance is unable to manoeuvre as required by these Rules and is therefore unable to keep out of the way of another vessel.
Examples of exceptional circumstances would be dragging anchor, engine breakdown, loss of steerage and a sailing vessel becalmed. Bad weather conditions are not really exceptional in the terms of this Rule, and difficulty in manoeuvring in bad weather would not normally justify the showing of NUC signals.
Simply being stopped in the water does not make a vessel NUC. A ship which has stopped her engines and is drifting offshore, waiting for weather to ease so that she can enter port is not regarded as NUC, as there is no ???exceptional circumstance???. She is simply a power-driven vessel in full command of her propulsion but which has chosen to drift

The term vessel constrained by her draught means a power driven vessel which, because of her draught in relation to the available depth and width of navigable water, is severely restricted in her ability to deviate from the course she is following.
These are the vessels you give way to when crossing a channel.

After yesterday's session at the Train I don't envy you guys at all having to sail the Broadwater irrespective of how flat the water is. Between those dickhead jetboat drivers, bogans on jetskis, moored boats, crab pots and one kooky kiter who almost took me out I am now thinkingI'm not too bad off sailing in the open ocean where the only obstacles might be some wildlife and I only need to gybe when my back foot starts falling to sleep.

Thanks to all the blokes that have time to pull the rules off the net to properly inform Deejay. Now he can tell his friends that power doesn't always give way to sail.
We run into that sort of person in a sail boat all the time at work... Sydney harbour on a Sunday arvo is the worst.

Small educational flyer could be helpful.
B5 size, funny design describing in easy pictorial format windsurfers rights.
Design by one of us, then generally available for download as pdf.
Everybody could print out and handle to angler, kiters or boaters on the land or water, to avoid prolonged discussion .

Sporadically I do try to educate anglers about danger and inconvenience of dropping fishing lines just at our only access to the beach ( sometimes 50m ) and blocked by angler. By moving just few meters away they could avoid all this conflict.

From legal point of view , I think that operator of the equipment that cause hazard to other water users could be legally responsible for damages and medical costs.

Once informed , by flyer or polite conversation that his behavior - fishing lines, crab pots line 100m long create hazard - can not use any excuse at court when sued.