thanks again
swoosh - if you are boored, i gives you a compilation of KFC northeasters from recent weeks, courtesy of a very patient chairman and the duck gybe princess.....take from it what you can

keeping hands in normal sailing position was a kind of breakthrough for me, i always thought they had to be back, like for a grubby or flat water loop etc.
carving downwind followed by raking the sail back like you were starting a carving 360, just before throwing it at somewhere between the nose of the board and into the wind, also helps throw your body and the board around..... i have discovered
i'm only half way there, at best, on the other tack. i'm pretty sure i've found this the hardest move yet