I've got a sailworks one on one side and don't use it much ( I did when I first put it on). I figure if I get one on both sides I'll be more inclined to use it. I've also improved a bit and can see the benefits for control etc..
Can I have some feedback on Chinook v Maui sails versions for user friendliness , setup , wear etc..I use Gun aluminium booms.

Fair question Sue. Unfortunately, the red thumb heroes, who like to hide behind internet anonymity, have been at it again. My one green thumb has only improved it marginally. I have no experience with adj OH, but hope you get the answers you're looking for.

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N1GEL said..
Fair question Sue. Unfortunately, the red thumb heroes, who like to hide behind internet anonymity, have been at it again. My one green thumb has only improved it marginally. I have no experience with adj OH, but hope you get the answers you're looking for.

Thanks Nigel. Probably because I asked about them once before. Now I know what type I want ( both side cam cleats) and just want some feedback on brands.

Sue,

I have a Chinook adjustable out haul which I have customised with spectra rope and use with an Chinook pulley system on the clew of the sail. This provides good mechanical advantage, low rope friction and easy of operation, which is essential if you want to get the incremental control that Byron and Hugh use.

have them in stock , chinook is the best setup and used by most , $110

www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi61uz2u4DLAhVG2qYKHeumDy4QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2F4boards.co.uk%2Fproduct%2Fwindsurf%2Fwindsurf-accessories%2Fchinook-adjustable-outhaul-kit%2F&psig=AFQjCNHfEjkPlcOqm_vK92ujfIKegaxYPg&ust=1455855855061755

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adjustable outhaul is very useful but it is a frustrating as it is useful. Not quite as frustrating as the logit app, but almost.

The double sided system is more versatile.
I use the chinook system with applecores thru the clew of the sail.

Pluses - easier to get up wind with extra outhaul on the sail, and it is good not having to get off the board to make adjustments at the clew.
potentially can increase your slingshot by letting off the outhaul at the right time
easier than varying downhaul to get more or less power in the sail

Minuses - takes longer to rig up
Takes quite a while initially to get the adj OH working properly - ie clamps not sliding down the boom, right position. - use some self amalgamating tape under the clamps
the applecores catch when putting your sail in and out of the sail bag, especially if the bag has a mesh insert.
the cords get hooked on everything in your car and make it harder to get your boom out
the cords collect weed
it is hard to adjust "on the fly" especially at breakneck speed because you have to let go of the boom when you are really wanting to hang on!

I haven't had a problem with wear
Despite the minuses I still prefer to have the adj OH

as Bernie said: I think the more skilled get a lot more out of them....

<div>but that applies to most of what we do.

You can source bits from different places if you don't want to outlay the cost of a complete system.
Chinook apple cores and boom arm cleats online, rope (it doesn't have to be formula line) & pulleys from a ship chandlers. Whitworths is good.
Its up to you to decide how you want to configure the length of rope through pulleys an if you want to use elastic shock cord to keep it all under control.
Just make sure the end of the rope (with some sort of grab handle) is easily accessible from your back hand.
Pull it on going upwind and bag the **** out of it off the wind.
For some people it just makes it easier and quicker to rig.

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aussieboats said..
have them in stock , chinook is the best setup and used by most , $110

www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi61uz2u4DLAhVG2qYKHeumDy4QjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2F4boards.co.uk%2Fproduct%2Fwindsurf%2Fwindsurf-accessories%2Fchinook-adjustable-outhaul-kit%2F&psig=AFQjCNHfEjkPlcOqm_vK92ujfIKegaxYPg&ust=1455855855061755

I Like the little clips that hold the ropes to the end of the boom. Stops the pulleys chaffing the sail. mIght have to add those to mine.

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Windxtasy said..
adjustable outhaul is very useful but it is a frustrating as it is useful. Not quite as frustrating as the logit app, but almost.

The double sided system is more versatile.
I use the chinook system with applecores thru the clew of the sail.

Pluses - easier to get up wind with extra outhaul on the sail, and it is good not having to get off the board to make adjustments at the clew.
potentially can increase your slingshot by letting off the outhaul at the right time
easier than varying downhaul to get more or less power in the sail

Minuses - takes longer to rig up
Takes quite a while initially to get the adj OH working properly - ie clamps not sliding down the boom, right position. - use some self amalgamating tape under the clamps
the applecores catch when putting your sail in and out of the sail bag, especially if the bag has a mesh insert.
the cords get hooked on everything in your car and make it harder to get your boom out
the cords collect weed
it is hard to adjust "on the fly" especially at breakneck speed because you have to let go of the boom when you are really wanting to hang on!

I haven't had a problem with wear
Despite the minuses I still prefer to have the adj OH

as Bernie said: I think the more skilled get a lot more out of them....

<div>but that applies to most of what we do.

I find my current one a pain. Mostly because where I have the adjustable tag is right where I grab the boom to gybe and that makes it a double handful for my already tiny hands! Will have to position the next ones where they won't be in the way.I have applecores and haven't had issues with them catching although I know what you mean by all the xtra strings on the boom catching in the car..And if the outhaul ever pulls through it takes me 15mins to work out how to rethread it..

Thanks everyone. I'll have a decent look at all the links and make a decision when I have time in the next few days ..I like the idea of the slipperier rope + gizmos to hold things etc

Regularly lubricate all pulleys on the apple core, on the adjustable out haul and on the end of the boom with silicon. This along with slippery rope like formula line really helps with reducing friction and increasing ease of operation.

For speed sailing, as apart from racing, I use a very simple setup only on one side. In this case Starboard side as most of my speed runs are on S'bd tack.

It would definitely be improved with Formula line to replace the blue line.

Chinook one on the way. I'll have to make sure I place the pulleys so they aren't in the way of my grip for gybing. I noticed that in the latest google pics my sailworks one has an xtra pulley section added.That would make it more user friendly and easier to pullon. I could rarely pull it on on the fly unless I eased the sail right off..one of the reasons I didn't use it much.

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sailquik said..
For speed sailing, as apart from racing, I use a very simple setup only on one side. In this case Starboard side as most of my speed runs are on S'bd tack.

It would definitely be improved with Formula line to replace the blue line.

Why don't you use the pulleys on the lower part of the back end so the clew of the sail is centred on the boom?

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sailquik said..
For speed sailing, as apart from racing, I use a very simple setup only on one side. In this case Starboard side as most of my speed runs are on S'bd tack.

It would definitely be improved with Formula line to replace the blue line.

Why don't you use the pulleys on the lower part of the back end so the clew of the sail is centred on the boom?

Too much friction without pulley on clew
No easy way to cleat off for one sided setup
Centring not any advantage I can detect
I would also have to turn back fitting up the other way
This works for what I want to do and is KISS.

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sailquik said..

AUS4 said..

sailquik said..
For speed sailing, as apart from racing, I use a very simple setup only on one side. In this case Starboard side as most of my speed runs are on S'bd tack.

It would definitely be improved with Formula line to replace the blue line.

Why don't you use the pulleys on the lower part of the back end so the clew of the sail is centred on the boom?

Too much friction without pulley on clew
No easy way to cleat off for one sided setup
Centring not any advantage I can detect
I would also have to turn back fitting up the other way
This works for what I want to do and is KISS.

useful thread and thanks for posting the photos. I've been procrastinating from setting this up, but I've now ordered a clamp and will try and pickup a small pulley locally

If you do it this way you can use the 2 pulleys, the sail will be centred, you can still use the cleat for easy rigging. And you could also turn the boom around the right way instead of being upside down as it is now if you like.

Thanks, but the rope ends up with too much friction that way, can't pull it through to tension the outhaul.
Can't turn the boom over either. Has to be up that way to rig the front end. As I said, this works perfectly for me. No need to reinvent it.

Of course, if I wanted to run two sided adjustment, I would I use all three boom end pulleys with a chinook clew pulley, and of course you don't use the cleat at the back.

Looking closely at my photo, I do need to replace one of those rivets though!!

I have a chinook one and I couldn't live without it now. So used to using it now that I feel awkward not using it!

Instead of threading the sail clew, you can also just use the Outhaul Triple Pulley that comes with the Chinook Kit. If you need extra pulleys (some people have one always attached with each sail), these can be purchased separately. I know the local windsurf shop in Hervey Bay has all that stuff.

I have an applecore in one sail and all my severnes have a setup that you can just loop the outhaul around so it's easy to rig. The only drawback is that they are above / below ( can't remember ) the other clew hole so you can't change heights for the conditions unless you get an applecore for the clewhole as well .
getting mine today and will try and rig it.. Now I just need some wind!

well we are hoping for a sail 2day, mayb 1 of the last ne's, I got the maui sails one off remi.
I use it but forget I got it also sometimes, its great for when it drops off & u need the extra
power to get bak.

Lucky I asked here. I'm fitting the outhaul and expected at least a threading diagram but nothing.. Have to rely on pics posted here. Thanks.. Hopefully I can work it out..

Ok first problem- the diagram I found online has the boom end having 2 sets of pulleys on the top. Mine has the 2 sets of pulleys on the bottom. I've run the line through it the best I can but I imagine it's not going to be as easy to pull on as if I had the other pulley setup.If I turned my boom upside down it would be the same ???.. except the uphaul etc wouldn't go on properly

Photo is looking at the back of the boom with it the usual way up.

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sboardcrazy said..
Ok first problem- the diagram I found online has the boom end having 2 sets of pulleys on the top. Mine has the 2 sets of pulleys on the bottom. I've run the line through it the best I can but I imagine it's not going to be as easy to pull on as if I had the other pulley setup.If I turned my boom upside down it would be the same ???.. except the uphaul etc wouldn't go on properly

Photo is looking at the back of the boom with it the usual way up.

Just drill out the rivets on the boom end and refit it up the other way if it bothers you. My severn boom end is the same and works fine. Look my profile up as I have uploaded pics for windxtcy of how to set her out haul up

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/Outhaul-Kit/#1297351

my good mate (not) AA uses those instead of pulleys on his adjustable outhaul.

Light weight and don't rub on the boom grip with cutting edges.

www.ronstan.com.au/marine5/shocks.asp

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sboardcrazy said..
Ok first problem- the diagram I found online has the boom end having 2 sets of pulleys on the top. Mine has the 2 sets of pulleys on the bottom. I've run the line through it the best I can but I imagine it's not going to be as easy to pull on as if I had the other pulley setup.If I turned my boom upside down it would be the same ???.. except the uphaul etc wouldn't go on properly

Photo is looking at the back of the boom with it the usual way up.

It does not make any difference which way up the rear end is if you intend to have two sided adjustment and use an apple core Chinook clew pulley.

Daffy is right. it doesn't matter. The following is how you do it.

1. Set up both port and starboard outhaul cleats, ropes and pulleys.
2. Take your clew rope and tie it to the end of your outhaul port pulley
3. Thread the clew rope through the bottom port clew pulley
4. The thread it through the port side of the apple core (bottom to top)
5. Then thread through the top centre clew pulley
6. Then thread through the starboard side of the apple core (top to bottom)
7. Then thread through the bottom starboard clew pulley
8. The tie off on the end of the your outhaul starboard pulley

Well 2.30hrs later and 7 rig changes I think I have something that works.. ..needed a 'snickers' half way through or I would have killed someone.. .I'll thread the outhaul through better when I go to sail.
I ended up replacing the ropes that go through the little pully and cleat off with longer ones ( formula line) as the ones I had weren't long enough to let the outhaul off enough to take off the clew fittings when derigging the 7.8m..I'm not using an applecore just the cleats the severne sails have.
One problem is the way it is threaded at the moment it pulls up on the clew ( rather than down) so I've had to use an extra hole in my extension so the clew didn't fit hard against the end.
I don't know how you use the elastic cord for the ends you pull on as if I have it ok for the 35 ext it has big loops for the 10 ext..doing from 7.8m sails to 6m.
I also put the cam cleats a long way towards the boom end . I was sick of the other ones getting in the way when I gybed.
They may be too far away to be able to lift the line up out of the cleat. If I move them closer to me ( in) will that stuff up all the measurements I've set up?
I've left all the excess lines just hanging so I can adjust if necessary..I might also replace the blue line with formula line so it will be more slippery.. I need a rest now..

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Well 2.30hrs later and 7 rig changes I think I have something that works.. ..needed a 'snickers' half way through or I would have killed someone.. .I'll thread the outhaul through better when I go to sail.
I ended up replacing the ropes that go through the little pully and cleat off with longer ones ( formula line) as the ones I had weren't long enough to let the outhaul off enough to take off the clew fittings when derigging the 7.8m..I'm not using an applecore just the cleats the severne sails have.
One problem is the way it is threaded at the moment it pulls up on the clew ( rather than down) so I've had to use an extra hole in my extension so the clew didn't fit hard against the end.
I don't know how you use the elastic cord for the ends you pull on as if I have it ok for the 35 ext it has big loops for the 10 ext..doing from 7.8m sails to 6m.
I also put the cam cleats a long way towards the boom end . I was sick of the other ones getting in the way when I gybed.
They may be too far away to be able to lift the line up out of the cleat. If I move them closer to me ( in) will that stuff up all the measurements I've set up?
I've left all the excess lines just hanging so I can adjust if necessary..I might also replace the blue line with formula line so it will be more slippery.. I need a rest now..

I just re threaded it the way you said John and much better! I had some weird over crossed system.. Hopefully that will also fix the extra extension thingy so it's back to normal. I hope it doesn't change all the other settings though!

Cam cleat current position- can I move it inboard without affecting all the rope lengths/settings...? I know the sail isn't rigged but it's good enough to show you how far out it is.

Elastic idea that doesn't really work.. I will eventually try and get some thinner elastic- that is all we have at the moment.

This one is simple and works well because it uses good pulleys and slick formula rope. No beed for clew pulley at all and no elastic around the mast!