Light wind Challenge

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elmo
elmo
WA
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22 Sep 2010 7:22am
I've always liked light wind blasting, some of my best sessions have been having low speed drag races with Hard'z where because of the light winds there is very little difference between you and you end up being very evenly matched.

After having a few ripper sessions on the new JP SLW and knowing how poor the winds have been in a lot of areas this year I thought I'd put out there a different type of challenge for light wind Fatty boomballatta gear.

So here it is:

Date:.............
Boards:...........Greater than 130L
Sails:............ Less than 11m (can't have the formula crew murdering everyone)
Wind speed:....Less than 20 Knots (yellow arrows only) post a graph image if possible
2 Sec:............
5x10 Sec........
Alpha 500.......

Anyone up for it?

elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
22 Sep 2010 7:27am
Date:.............15/09/2010
Boards:...........JP SLW 154L
Sails:............ NP RS6 7.8m
Wind speed:....13-18knots
2 Sec:............25.012knots
5x10 Sec........22.953
Alpha 500.......17.174



OceanBlue64
OceanBlue64
VIC
980 posts
VIC, 980 posts
22 Sep 2010 10:13am
Being a light weight, my light wind board is a 105L hypersonic that I use with a 8.5 sail. Does this mean I cant enter?
Please dont discriminate against us vertically challenged light weights
BundyBear
BundyBear
NSW
325 posts
NSW, 325 posts
22 Sep 2010 10:31am
I think you have just discriminated out the whole of WA, not many people have boards above 130L
CheekyMonkey
CheekyMonkey
QLD
53 posts
QLD, 53 posts
22 Sep 2010 10:32am
OceanBlue64 said...

Being a light weight, my light wind board is a 105L hypersonic that I use with a 8.5 sail. Does this mean I cant enter?
Please dont discriminate against us vertically challenged light weights


I agree. How about just a sail size limit?
elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
22 Sep 2010 8:55am
Lighter weights, generally don't have to much of an issue with lighter winds so should be ripping around anyway.

The whole point is that bigger kit although not up with the smaller stuff on a windy day can be and is fun to ride.

BundyBear said...

I think you have just discriminated out the whole of WA, not many people have boards above 130L



That's why most people haven't sailed much over winter.


I've got 2 I've Had an awesome winter


lao shi
lao shi
WA
1346 posts
WA, 1346 posts
22 Sep 2010 9:02am
I can only offer a session from last year ( I shouldn't have sold the Battleship!)

Date:.............09/07/2009
Boards:...........Fanatic falcon 160L ish 2001 84 wide, 58cm pointer
Sails:............ Koncept 7.5
Wind speed:....12-16 knots
2 Sec:............26 knots
5x10 Sec........24.62
1 Hour............18.67
Alpha 500.......18.93

gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2009-07-09&team=12
fullmoon
fullmoon
WA
314 posts
WA, 314 posts
22 Sep 2010 9:17am
By my reckoning Jet is gonna blitz it with this one when he starts windsurfing again.
60 kg 133 Futura 7.5 Overdrive or Apollo with 8.5 Overdrive/10 Overdrive.
Ive sailed the Apollo with the 10 and it planes on a ****teenth of wind and that is with 86 90 94.278kg onboard.

Hmmm,aparently you cant say p00f in this forum[}:)]. How politically correct is that.
Well done Seabreeze. AAA ebay rating
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
22 Sep 2010 9:44am
elmo said...

Wind speed:....Less than 20 Knots (yellow arrows only) post a graph image if possible


19 knots? Luxury!
After the lack of wind since April even 15 knots seems like an absolute bonus...

and I agree, 130L + boards rules out most lightweights who haven't kept their beginners gear!

Really, a windspeed limit and a restriction on formula gear is all that is required.

Overall, a good idea Elmo, because currently you can't do well inthe GPS challenge unless you get a lot of wind, regardless of how good you are. A division which provides interest for areas which are in their low season would add an extra dimension to the comp.

swoosh
swoosh
QLD
1929 posts
QLD, 1929 posts
22 Sep 2010 1:46pm
man you guys got it good if you reckon <20kts is light wind.

tobyhodgso
tobyhodgso
WA
300 posts
WA, 300 posts
22 Sep 2010 3:08pm
Gear correction factor
smaller board same sail gets better points= 1/volume
smaller sail same board gets more points= 1/area
best gust of the day in your seabreeze graph location = /max gust
multiple by 2 sec speed
multiple by 1000 to look better

=((1/board)*(1/sail))/max gust*2 sec speed*1000

take Lao shi and my hypersonic same day.

boardxxxxxx160xxxxxx160xxxxxx105xxxxxx105
sailxxxxxxxxx10xxxxxxx5xxxxxxxx10xxxxxxxx5
max guist xxx16xxxxxxx16xxxxxxx16xxxxxxx16
2 secxxxxxxx26xxxxxxx26xxxxxxx19xxxxxxxx19
xxxxxxxxx1.015625xx2.03125xxxx1.13xxxxx2.261904762


so I beat Laoshi cos my board had smaller volume, or a smaller sail despite he went faster with the same wind.

Wineman
Wineman
NSW
1412 posts
NSW, 1412 posts
22 Sep 2010 7:54pm

A session from 2/1/10 at Yamba

Date:.............02/01/2010
Boards:...........RRD 155lt, with 38 Maui then 44 Maui
Sails:............ 7.0 Maui Titan
Wind speed:....16-19 knots N/E
2 Sec:............25.12 knots
5x10 Sec........23.15
Naut Mile .......21.0
Alpha 500.......10.76

Top spot for Nm & distance
tobyhodgso
tobyhodgso
WA
300 posts
WA, 300 posts
22 Sep 2010 6:52pm


DaGodfather
DaGodfather
SA
280 posts
SA, 280 posts
22 Sep 2010 9:41pm
I know this is not windsurfing, but check this one out going in 12 knot wind on glassy flat water:



AUS2001
AUS2001
NSW
86 posts
NSW, 86 posts
22 Sep 2010 10:19pm
Light weight wind challenge-count me in!

60 litre Flare and a 3.6m and if it hits 15 knots I'll be smokin on my CA SL45,48 litre and a 3.0m
...
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
22 Sep 2010 11:02pm
Date: 16/12/2009
Board: Tabou Rocket 140
Sail: Loft 02 6.6m
Wind: Gusts up to twenty knots
2 sec: 26.3
5x10 sec: 24
Alpha 500: 16.4

AUS-057
AUS-057
QLD
466 posts
QLD, 466 posts
22 Sep 2010 11:11pm
Date: 09/12/2008
Board: Starboard F162
Sail: Neil Pryde RS:6 9.8m
Wind: 12-15kts
2 sec: 24.76
5x10 sec: 22.84
Alpha 500: 12.98

My fastest session on a formula board was only my third time out on the new board.
Pointman
Pointman
WA
437 posts
WA, 437 posts
22 Sep 2010 9:35pm
Date:.............22/08/2010
Spot:..............Pinnaroo Pt
Boards:...........RRD Crossfire 135L
Sails:............ KA Koncept 8.5
Wind speed:....12-18knots
2 Sec:............26.81
5x10 Sec........23.32
Alpha 500.......10.84

grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
22 Sep 2010 10:13pm
to buggery with the lightweights.

I'm all for discrimination


Go ELMO [}:)]
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
22 Sep 2010 10:41pm
tobyhodgso said...






Not having a go, but just curious why Toby's leftmost fun factor 1.25, while his rightmost fun factor is 1.22, with the same numbers used to calculate it

Undoubtedly light winds can be fun, I use the "woohoo" scale, the more woohoos the more fun Sunday rated a 2
elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
22 Sep 2010 11:07pm
Woo hoos and yeaharghs
sailquik
sailquik
VIC
6171 posts
VIC, 6171 posts
23 Sep 2010 1:44am
Bugger! I have some large sails but my light wind board is a measly 111 litres...... not counting the Gemini Tandem that is.............. oh wait, I still have a really old 186 SB Formula laying around somewhere, but man that thing is slow. I'm lucky to crack 20 knots on that thing.
pepe47
pepe47
WA
1382 posts
WA, 1382 posts
23 Sep 2010 4:37am
date: 01 09 2010
board: 135l rocket
sail: 8.2m h2
wind sp: 12-20 kts
2 sec: 26.51
5x10: 24.01
alpha: 16.33

!st time with the fat gear, good stuff
tobyhodgso
tobyhodgso
WA
300 posts
WA, 300 posts
23 Sep 2010 6:46am
hmm my attention to detail fails me again. funked up the copy and pasting.

Seriously, I like the idea elmo. To make it a proper challenge we need maths and policeman/line judge- like the ashes challenge.I hope someone will take up that role.

Foolishly, am I missing the point? is this just another bragging post?
If it is you all beat me cos I cant coax more than 20kn in 16 knots max gust, yet on a 105L.

Applying science and mathematics to passion and fun is foolish.
"Fyeahs"/"yee ha"/"maaaaaate"/"yeah baby!" scale 1 to 10 might be better

Sunday was a 6! LOC practice run 26.12.09 a 10 and LOC race day was a 3 !
OceanBlue64
OceanBlue64
VIC
980 posts
VIC, 980 posts
23 Sep 2010 9:01am

Date:3/7/10
Board: 105L Hypersonic,
Sail: 8.5 KA Formula
Wind: 8 - 14knots
Temp: 8 - 13 degrees

2 sec: 24.26
5x10 sec: 20.031
Alpha 500: 13.582
elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
WA, 8890 posts
23 Sep 2010 7:27am
Toby, No it's not a bragging post (well it is kinda in some ways). It's about getting more TOW

A lot of people have been complaining this winter about how crap it's been yet looking at the data I've had more sessions than ever since I've started logging, nearly twice as many compared to previous years.

This is primarily because I bit the bullet and went out on the Fear Factory (10.9m sail and an old 160L board). I had a ball. OK not above 24 knots but I was out when a hell of a lot of people were grumbling

The beauty about light wind sailing is the water condition, there's stuff all chop, you may not go quite as quick but can still have some great races with your mates which are a lot closer than what you would have normally on a windier day.

It's my opinion that if you are a windsurfing tragic (like me) then some Fatty Boombalatta gear in the shed is a necessity as it greatly increases your TOW.

In all honesty, most of my peak speed sessions I don't remember detail (apart from freckle clenching), but I do remember a lot of my light wind races with Hardie

Also for the fly weights big gear for you generally 120-130L myself being a bit more loved by gravity @ 96kg the big kit is around the 150L mark.

So on the light day's dig out Big Bertha from the back of the shed, dust her of and go out and have fun.
tobyhodgso
tobyhodgso
WA
300 posts
WA, 300 posts
23 Sep 2010 7:32am
agreed elmo- more TOW! and anyway we can encourage that is great.

yes the adventure is remembered more than the speeds- hey nebs?
elmo
elmo
WA
8890 posts
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23 Sep 2010 7:38am
tobyhodgso said...

agreed elmo- more TOW! and anyway we can encourage that is great.

yes the adventure is remembered more than the speeds- hey nebs?


Neb's is a classic example by having Lemony Snickets, his Hardy-Dercrep Wave board, gets out there having a ball on waves long before other people bother turning up at the beach.

If you are out on the water instead of mowing the lawn you're a winner
tobyhodgso
tobyhodgso
WA
300 posts
WA, 300 posts
23 Sep 2010 8:24am



obsession with numbers ......................
Pointman
Pointman
WA
437 posts
WA, 437 posts
23 Sep 2010 12:44pm
elmo said...


The beauty about light wind sailing is the water condition, there's stuff all chop, you may not go quite as quick but can still have some great races with your mates which are a lot closer than what you would have normally on a windier day.

It's my opinion that if you are a windsurfing tragic (like me) then some Fatty Boombalatta gear in the shed is a necessity as it greatly increases your TOW.



Totally agree Elmo.
I love fangin on the big gear in 15-18K.

Speed is relative...cracking a 25K peak on the fat boy set-up feels like a 30k peak on the smaller gear.


nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
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23 Sep 2010 2:24pm
elmo said...
Neb's is a classic example by having Lemony Snickets, his Hardy-Dercrep Wave board, gets out there having a ball on waves long before other people bother turning up at the beach.



The guys on the beach get sick of my Yee Haarrrs after a while
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