Hi all just wondering any ideas i'm 70kg I use the latest severne race sails on a good F2 board but can't seem to get past 35kts ?

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Duane1010 said..
Hi all just wondering any ideas i'm 70kg I use the latest severne race sails on a good F2 board but can't seem to get past 35kts ?

35????

Mate I can't even crack 30 with all the reasonable gear! But Its fun (and frustrating) trying!

Maybe some friendly advice from the Board Crazy Crew could help you?

What size sail fin board and wind strength?

I'm in the same boat other than the full cam sail. The guys & gals that are constantly over 30knts, what size are you using and in what wind.
Also how much faster than the wind are these sailors going?
I find that I'm on a larger fin than I should be, there are tricks or methods of getting on the plane with smaller gear and then staying there. Got to google pumping technique.
I know there is a learning curve that you can't cheat, so I'm really enjoying the ride (for now) just under 30knts.

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Duane1010 said...
Hi all just wondering any ideas i'm 70kg I use the latest severne race sails on a good F2 board but can't seem to get past 35kts ?

Welcome to speed sailing

I'm having trouble getting over 32 myself...

I was in that boat for quite a while, what did it for me was flatter water and more wind.

When you'd usually change down sail size don't.
Time your session so the wind peak speed is early in the session so you can hold down the extra size.
Weight it out. Get a weight vest. At 70 kegs the extra weight will aid your speeds.
Like decrepit says get to flatter water.
If that means getting a delta fin or 50deg rake fin I'd suggest the purchase would pay off.

I recall reading an article in Boards Magazine last year just enjoy sailing with your mates and you will be doing PB's
That's what I've been doing and Done a PB

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decrepit said..
flatter water and more wind.

+1

Next strong NE'erly come down to Wello when the bank is showing

In all honesty, it took quite a while for me to get over 35 - twice in 2014, once last year and once this year...
Well this year my 5x10 was over 35 so it's a continual improvement road.

Time on water, conditions and kit.

Im 68 kg. Also using severne race gear.
Run you sails at max downhaul and very little outhaul. Dont go out underpowered and maybe use a lower carbon mast so it softens the sail.
It took me 6 months when i first got a gps to crack 30knots as a 2second peak. Now im just under 41knots and still not wearing weights
Dont get discouraged as its taken me 8 years to go this fast. Make yourself believe you can do it.
Conditions is one of the main factors on how fast you go.
Plenty of wind (30+knots) and flat water.
Ride small boards. My Falcon 79 is my main board and isonic 44 when its windy, I dont ride anything bigger than that unless im desperate for a sail.
6.2 is my big sail (will be getting a 7.0 at some stage) and 5.6 and 5.1 when its windy. All are reflex's
Work on your slingshot as this really accelerates you to good speeds.
Trust your gear and go hard, try not to back off when others are.
And good luck!!!

I'm going to go right out on a limb here and say that you can usually do around 10-12kts faster than the wind speed depending on the efficiency of your set up. The other week the measured wind speed was gusting up to 30+ kts and Slowy was getting around 43kts on his gear. Food for thought..

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pepe47 said..
I'm going to go right out on a limb here and say that you can usually do around 10-12kts faster than the wind speed depending on the efficiency of your set up. The other week the measured wind speed was gusting up to 30+ kts and Slowy was getting around 43kts on his gear. Food for thought..

what was he using? Board & Sail size?

BSN101 come up to Australind when a good 20knts is forecast. You can take my speed and slalom kit for a blast. You should blow 30+knts easy following the local speed guys lines.

The two major things IMHO that hinder people getting higher speeds is people don't sail deep enough and the other critical one is sail size. If you can comfortable sail up wind your sail is not big enough. The only way I can sail back up wind after a good bear away is by pulling on the outhaul and flattening the sail. that's why adjustable outhaul set ups are vital.

From memory, I think it was a 6.3m and a mistral 95. But most of the mere mortals were on sub 6m.

There is 2 ways to do it , find some dead flat water and 30 knots of wind and claim skill for getting blown along at that speed or just work on your technique , manly is fine for 35 knots my tip is try not to use your hands and let the gust take you downwind the deeper off the wind you go the faster you will go even though it might not feel like it dont try and steer off the wind by sheeting in this will ruin the whole run, put all your weight on the harness lines and kind of lift your feet and point your toes to make it go off the wind.
Lots of people who can sail quite well don’t get impressive numbers because they just sail across the wind all day , they have ability but just haven’t learnt the tricks to getting gps numbers and don’t worry about crashing because you won’t if you won’t think about it ( this might be a lie but confidence is important) . Its surprising how much chop you can go over the back of if you hold your stance right and don’t let the board take off and dont worry about your 70kg weight it wont make a difference especially seen as that board you ride is a good size for you .

There is a big learning curve to GPS sailing and it takes a while to get the hang of it. Learning to bear away is part of it. Learning to sail overpowered is part of it.
For most people it takes about two years to get really good at it.
It took me AGES to get to 30 knots, now I can do 32 regularly but I have not managed 34 yet.
Flat water and strong wind are essential.
Follow fast sailors and follow their line.
Play with settings on your equipment. Change one thing at a time and just a little at a time and note the effect on speed.

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Bender said..

people don't sail deep enough

+1 Something I've been struggling with lately on gear I have been using for years, now I see guys going deeper and faster bastards

All the other advice is true but conditions v ball size = speed

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Windxtasy said..

Follow fast sailors and follow their line.

Good advice Anita.

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pepe47 said..
I'm going to go right out on a limb here and say that you can usually do around 10-12kts faster than the wind speed depending on the efficiency of your set up. The other week the measured wind speed was gusting up to 30+ kts and Slowy was getting around 43kts on his gear. Food for thought..

Only the top sailors (and mostly heavy ones) were doing 40+. The rest of us were struggling to go much faster than the wind speed because it wasn't very flat and the chop was scary in 25-30 knots of wind.
In really flat water a top sailor with good tuning can go nearly double the wind speed

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firiebob said..

Bender said..

people don't sail deep enough

+1 Something I've been struggling with lately on gear I have been using for years, now I see guys going deeper and faster bastards

All the other advice is true but conditions v ball size = speed

yes, I think it is that last one which is holding me back now. Not enough testosterone = too much fear of getting hurt

To keep it simple,
look for bigger gusts then you think you can handle
bear away deeper than you think you need to
hang on
be prepared to bite it
that should get you somewhere then worry about the finer things. somedays it comes easy and somedays it seems impossible to go any quicker
dont stress if its not happening on the day, just enjoy the moments in between. Be prepared and when things line up it happens all on its own!

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Windxtasy said..

pepe47 said..
I'm going to go right out on a limb here and say that you can usually do around 10-12kts faster than the wind speed depending on the efficiency of your set up. The other week the measured wind speed was gusting up to 30+ kts and Slowy was getting around 43kts on his gear. Food for thought..

Only the top sailors (and mostly heavy ones) were doing 40+. The rest of us were struggling to go much faster than the wind speed because it wasn't very flat and the chop was scary in 25-30 knots of wind.
In really flat water a top sailor with good tuning can go nearly double the wind speed

Wow, just think, 60kts in 30kts of wind..

Yes, while not a windsurfer the design spec for Sailrocket was to be able to hit 65 knots in 26 knots of wind in order to average around 60 knots...which they did achieve!

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pepe47 said..

Windxtasy said..

pepe47 said..
I'm going to go right out on a limb here and say that you can usually do around 10-12kts faster than the wind speed depending on the efficiency of your set up. The other week the measured wind speed was gusting up to 30+ kts and Slowy was getting around 43kts on his gear. Food for thought..

Only the top sailors (and mostly heavy ones) were doing 40+. The rest of us were struggling to go much faster than the wind speed because it wasn't very flat and the chop was scary in 25-30 knots of wind.
In really flat water a top sailor with good tuning can go nearly double the wind speed

Wow, just think, 60kts in 30kts of wind..

the problem is in getting really flat water in 30 knots of wind.

I have seen JJ do almost double the wind speed at Coodanup in 15 knots with mirror flat water.

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Bender said..
BSN101 come up to Australind when a good 20knts is forecast. You can take my speed and slalom kit for a blast. You should blow 30+knts easy following the local speed guys lines.

The two major things IMHO that hinder people getting higher speeds is people don't sail deep enough and the other critical one is sail size. If you can comfortable sail up wind your sail is not big enough. The only way I can sail back up wind after a good bear away is by pulling on the outhaul and flattening the sail. that's why adjustable outhaul set ups are vital.

Cheers Bender it would be fun to try a little board.

My local conditions with the off shore breeze makes me too nervous to go out on my little board. Winter westerlies are the ones for it.

When I was in August last I was going so deep that when I was gybing the sail lost its pull, weird feeling! So I do bear away quite well.

I now have a few more smaller fins to reduce drag so will be frothing to try them.

Also I think the NPP Ryde sails are not the fastest out there (6 Batten no cam), but they are not race sails either but certainly plenty for me for now.

Ill get there!

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Duane1010 said..
Hi all just wondering any ideas i'm 70kg I use the latest severne race sails on a good F2 board but can't seem to get past 35kts ?

I wish I could reach 35kts..

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Bender said..
BSN101 come up to Australind when a good 20knts is forecast. You can take my speed and slalom kit for a blast. You should blow 30+knts easy following the local speed guys lines.

The two major things IMHO that hinder people getting higher speeds is people don't sail deep enough and the other critical one is sail size. If you can comfortable sail up wind your sail is not big enough. The only way I can sail back up wind after a good bear away is by pulling on the outhaul and flattening the sail. that's why adjustable outhaul set ups are vital.

Live somewhere with strong consistent wind .. or travel there..

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Simon100 said..
There is 2 ways to do it , find some dead flat water and 30 knots of wind and claim skill for getting blown along at that speed or just work on your technique , manly is fine for 35 knots my tip is try not to use your hands and let the gust take you downwind the deeper off the wind you go the faster you will go even though it might not feel like it dont try and steer off the wind by sheeting in this will ruin the whole run, put all your weight on the harness lines and kind of lift your feet and point your toes to make it go off the wind.
Lots of people who can sail quite well don’t get impressive numbers because they just sail across the wind all day , they have ability but just haven’t learnt the tricks to getting gps numbers and don’t worry about crashing because you won’t if you won’t think about it ( this might be a lie but confidence is important) . Its surprising how much chop you can go over the back of if you hold your stance right and don’t let the board take off and dont worry about your 70kg weight it wont make a difference especially seen as that board you ride is a good size for you .

Thanks I'll try that next time

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Windxtasy said..

firiebob said..

Bender said..

people don't sail deep enough

+1 Something I've been struggling with lately on gear I have been using for years, now I see guys going deeper and faster bastards

All the other advice is true but conditions v ball size = speed

yes, I think it is that last one which is holding me back now. Not enough testosterone = too much fear of getting hurt

We've got an excuse.. .. Mm I don't have that problem though and I still can't get to 35kts.. Just haven't caught a decent gust in the flats yet..

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BSN101 said..

Bender said..
BSN101 come up to Australind when a good 20knts is forecast. You can take my speed and slalom kit for a blast. You should blow 30+knts easy following the local speed guys lines.

The two major things IMHO that hinder people getting higher speeds is people don't sail deep enough and the other critical one is sail size. If you can comfortable sail up wind your sail is not big enough. The only way I can sail back up wind after a good bear away is by pulling on the outhaul and flattening the sail. that's why adjustable outhaul set ups are vital.

Cheers Bender it would be fun to try a little board.

My local conditions with the off shore breeze makes me too nervous to go out on my little board. Winter westerlies are the ones for it.

When I was in August last I was going so deep that when I was gybing the sail lost its pull, weird feeling! So I do bear away quite well.

I now have a few more smaller fins to reduce drag so will be frothing to try them.

Also I think the NPP Ryde sails are not the fastest out there (6 Batten no cam), but they are not race sails either but certainly plenty for me for now.

Ill get there!

I used to use wavesails and they were gutless off the wind- cammed sails are heaps better and have a much wider windrange / control- heavier though

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Duane1010 said..
Hi all just wondering any ideas i'm 70kg I use the latest severne race sails on a good F2 board but can't seem to get past 35kts ?

Yup! Flatter water and especially more wind!

The gear is not as important as the conditions, opportunity and being in the right place at the right time. A few of us have done 40 knots on small wave board fin and sail, bit it was 'really flat' and 'really windy'!