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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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14 Jan 2011 6:55pm
Ok so I'm finally getting airborne and pulling the tail to windward but then the rig gets ripped out of my hands downwind.? At least before I'd land them..[}:)] Am I standing too upright..? Not hanging under the rig..??
albers
albers
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14 Jan 2011 7:13pm
sboardcrazy said...

Ok so I'm finally getting airborne and pulling the tail to windward but then the rig gets ripped out of my hands downwind.? At least before I'd land them..[}:)] Am I standing too upright..? Not hanging under the rig..??


We need some footage - why not GoPro your faulty move and post it!

About 10 seconds should do it!

Cheers
Leman
Leman
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14 Jan 2011 7:24pm
Hard to tell without seeing you jump, but like you said, hanging on the landing will encourage the tail to hit the water first (with a little sheeting out), power the rig after landing and give you greater leavage to hold onto the rig.

You may also be sheeting in too much on landing.

After saying this I had many other problems to solve when learning to jump but the rig being ripped out of my hands wasn't one of them.
nebbian
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14 Jan 2011 5:23pm
Sheet out just before you land.
CJW
CJW
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14 Jan 2011 8:27pm
Grip the boom harder?

As above there are many hurdles when learning to jump but i've never heard of the rig flying out of ones hand before.
saltiest1
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14 Jan 2011 11:09pm
stay harnessed in. just dont do what i did!
decrepit
decrepit
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14 Jan 2011 9:34pm
Are you landing too tail first, and sinking the tail? That will increase the load on the sail.

If you lean the rig forward, and sideways into the wind you can sheet it in, and use it to float down. Then the landing can be very soft, and you'll stay on the plane, reducing landing sail pressure.
If you sheet in without leaning it forwards and sideways, it will push the nose down, (the start of a forward loop).

Staying hooked in when you're in control is fine, but can lead to a painful crash if you aren't.
saltiest1
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15 Jan 2011 12:58am
decrepit said...



Staying hooked in when you're in control is fine, but can lead to a painful crash if you aren't.





yep will back you there.
the leaning forwards bit and side ways, could you clear that one up for me a bit clearer as im sure thats my prob this season. last year was fine.
decrepit
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14 Jan 2011 11:03pm
It's a matter of balancing an asymmetric wing. You have the board and the sail to play with, somehow you need to get the load under the center of lift, otherwise you'll start rotating.

I normally sail with the rig raked backwards seems to give me more speed, but if I carry this position into a jump, I have to sheet out, to stop pitching forward. (The center of lift is behind me)

I guess it's not leaning the sail forward, in front of you, but moving from behind you to above you.

It also has to lean to windward, or you'll start rolling (mast tip going downwind).

When you achieve balance you can sheet in and glide to a certain extent.

The windward rail and nose also have to be tipped up, to get lift from the board. If you let them point down, you'll go into a power dive, this can happen in strong winds if you aren't careful.

If it starts to go wrong, unhook before you land!
I have bailed out but if it's busy out there it's best to hang on, the rig will blow a long way down wind. You won't be very popular if it lands on somebody.

sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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15 Jan 2011 9:52am
albers said...

sboardcrazy said...

Ok so I'm finally getting airborne and pulling the tail to windward but then the rig gets ripped out of my hands downwind.? At least before I'd land them..[}:)] Am I standing too upright..? Not hanging under the rig..??


We need some footage - why not GoPro your faulty move and post it!

About 10 seconds should do it!

Cheers

Grr havent got a go pro.. One day Ill post the only footage I have & you can laugh at me falling off the back as the board keeps going on a gybe exit..
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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15 Jan 2011 9:53am
nebbian said...

Sheet out just before you land.


I don't get to the landing stage.. The rig gets ripped out of my hands as soon as I pull the tail to windward midair..[}:)][}:)]
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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15 Jan 2011 9:54am
saltiest1 said...

stay harnessed in. just dont do what i did!


No way .. the only time I ever did that I had the worst catapult stack ever bad whiplash..
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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15 Jan 2011 9:56am
decrepit said...

It's a matter of balancing an asymmetric wing. You have the board and the sail to play with, somehow you need to get the load under the center of lift, otherwise you'll start rotating.

I normally sail with the rig raked backwards seems to give me more speed, but if I carry this position into a jump, I have to sheet out, to stop pitching forward. (The center of lift is behind me)

I guess it's not leaning the sail forward, in front of you, but moving from behind you to above you.

It also has to lean to windward, or you'll start rolling (mast tip going downwind).

When you achieve balance you can sheet in and glide to a certain extent.

The windward rail and nose also have to be tipped up, to get lift from the board. If you let them point down, you'll go into a power dive, this can happen in strong winds if you aren't careful.

If it starts to go wrong, unhook before you land!
I have bailed out but if it's busy out there it's best to hang on, the rig will blow a long way down wind. You won't be very popular if it lands on somebody.




Maybe thats one of my problems as I am out with the rig back to keep control ..
Leman
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15 Jan 2011 12:11pm
decrepit said...

It's a matter of balancing an asymmetric wing. You have the board and the sail to play with, somehow you need to get the load under the center of lift, otherwise you'll start rotating.

I normally sail with the rig raked backwards seems to give me more speed, but if I carry this position into a jump, I have to sheet out, to stop pitching forward. (The center of lift is behind me)

I guess it's not leaning the sail forward, in front of you, but moving from behind you to above you.

It also has to lean to windward, or you'll start rolling (mast tip going downwind).

When you achieve balance you can sheet in and glide to a certain extent.

The windward rail and nose also have to be tipped up, to get lift from the board. If you let them point down, you'll go into a power dive, this can happen in strong winds if you aren't careful.

If it starts to go wrong, unhook before you land!
I have bailed out but if it's busy out there it's best to hang on, the rig will blow a long way down wind. You won't be very popular if it lands on somebody.




Good info! I'm quite a competent vertical jumper (close to landing backloops) but haven't really developed skills to extend my air time with more horizontal jumps. I think this comes from some really nasty nose first landings when I was first learning. Your descriptions make a lot of sense, I particular like the idea of an almost parachute landing. I'll work on it next time the conditions are right. Thanks.
Waiting4wind
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15 Jan 2011 12:41pm
sboardcrazy said...

nebbian said...

Sheet out just before you land.


I don't get to the landing stage.. The rig gets ripped out of my hands as soon as I pull the tail to windward midair..[}:)][}:)]


Sounds like your're pointing too far down wind.

But that's a good technique for a forward loop...just land nose first, keep sheeting and look around the front of of your mast..... you'll be pulling forwards in not time and be envy of your buddies on the water.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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15 Jan 2011 4:47pm
Waiting4wind said...

sboardcrazy said...

nebbian said...

Sheet out just before you land.


I don't get to the landing stage.. The rig gets ripped out of my hands as soon as I pull the tail to windward midair..[}:)][}:)]


Sounds like your're pointing too far down wind.

But that's a good technique for a forward loop...just land nose first, keep sheeting and look around the front of of your mast..... you'll be pulling forwards in not time and be envy of your buddies on the water.


Too old & decrepid..
So I do what I'm doing but don't turn the tail so far..?
albers
albers
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15 Jan 2011 7:00pm
Dale Cook is considered one of the best inland water/flat water jumpers in high winds. Watch the video. Cheers



PS: I'm sure he keeps his rig flat/level to maintain height, which also helps keep it in his hands provided you hold on tight enough
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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16 Jan 2011 1:11pm
Thanks..looks easy when he does it..
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