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adjustable outhauls

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Created by sboardcrazy > 9 months ago, 15 Nov 2013
sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
15 Nov 2013 2:53PM
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Been looking on google at a few.This one seems simple.Does it work?
www.sailworks.com/adjustable-outhaul-double-side.html
Also how hard are they to use ( all types). One thing I read confused me as it said if you let it off to go downwind and gybe and then pull it on it stuffs up the other side ..???or something..didn't really understand what they were getting at.

cammd
QLD, 4331 posts
15 Nov 2013 2:14PM
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If you keep easing it off on one tack, and tensioning it on the other tack you run out of rope on one side of the boom. I wouldn't be without one on race gear. Don't like the look of that sailworks one, I prefer the chinook system with cleats.

KevinD002
226 posts
15 Nov 2013 12:29PM
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cammd said..

If you keep easing it off on one tack, and tensioning it on the other tack you run out of rope on one side of the boom. I wouldn't be without one on race gear. Don't like the look of that sailworks one, I prefer the chinook system with cleats.


+1 for the chinook

I always tend to tension the rope on the opposite tack after releasing it than releasing it right before I switch tacks. Like Cammd said, if you are not careful you'll run out of rope/adjustment!

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
15 Nov 2013 3:51PM
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KevinD002 said..

cammd said..

If you keep easing it off on one tack, and tensioning it on the other tack you run out of rope on one side of the boom. I wouldn't be without one on race gear. Don't like the look of that sailworks one, I prefer the chinook system with cleats.


+1 for the chinook

I always tend to tension the rope on the opposite tack after releasing it than releasing it right before I switch tacks. Like Cammd said, if you are not careful you'll run out of rope/adjustment!


What I don't understand is I thought you could only adjust the side you are standing on at a time? It sounds like you can adjust both sides from the one side..?

ka43
NSW, 3097 posts
15 Nov 2013 3:57PM
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Google Chinook adjustable outhaul FFS.

powersloshin
NSW, 1844 posts
15 Nov 2013 5:20PM
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I have both systems and actually like the sailworks one for the reason that to release it you just press the clip. With cleats you need to make the effort of pulling the rope out before releasing it. Plus the cleats make hard bits sticking out..

NotWal
QLD, 7435 posts
15 Nov 2013 5:34PM
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sboardcrazy said..

KevinD002 said..

cammd said..

If you keep easing it off on one tack, and tensioning it on the other tack you run out of rope on one side of the boom. I wouldn't be without one on race gear. Don't like the look of that sailworks one, I prefer the chinook system with cleats.


+1 for the chinook

I always tend to tension the rope on the opposite tack after releasing it than releasing it right before I switch tacks. Like Cammd said, if you are not careful you'll run out of rope/adjustment!


What I don't understand is I thought you could only adjust the side you are standing on at a time? It sounds like you can adjust both sides from the one side..?


Yes you can only adjust them from the side you are standing on. What happens is for eg you may be blasting along upwind and pull on max tension then gybe and let the tension off from the new side to go downwind. If you do that a couple of times you will have no more slack left and when you go to let the tension off there will be no line left to let out. It will all be hanging out of the cleat on the other side. What you have to do is dump some tension before you gybe.

There is a way of setting up an AOH with an endless line but it's overkill. It's undoubtedly convenient but nobody bothers with it.

windsufering
VIC, 1124 posts
15 Nov 2013 7:23PM
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How much are you letting out 4 cm 100 cm they are great for racing

cammd
QLD, 4331 posts
15 Nov 2013 7:56PM
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Been doing some training on Saturdays with the rsx & technos getting coached by Maks Wojik (raceboard world champ), he said downwind you want the sail to be touching the boom from the clew all the way to in front of the harness lines.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
16 Nov 2013 8:07AM
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NotWal said..

sboardcrazy said..

KevinD002 said..

cammd said..

If you keep easing it off on one tack, and tensioning it on the other tack you run out of rope on one side of the boom. I wouldn't be without one on race gear. Don't like the look of that sailworks one, I prefer the chinook system with cleats.


+1 for the chinook

I always tend to tension the rope on the opposite tack after releasing it than releasing it right before I switch tacks. Like Cammd said, if you are not careful you'll run out of rope/adjustment!


What I don't understand is I thought you could only adjust the side you are standing on at a time? It sounds like you can adjust both sides from the one side..?


Yes you can only adjust them from the side you are standing on. What happens is for eg you may be blasting along upwind and pull on max tension then gybe and let the tension off from the new side to go downwind. If you do that a couple of times you will have no more slack left and when you go to let the tension off there will be no line left to let out. It will all be hanging out of the cleat on the other side. What you have to do is dump some tension before you gybe.

There is a way of setting up an AOH with an endless line but it's overkill. It's undoubtedly convenient but nobody bothers with it.



Aah. Thanks that helps. Bit hard to work out how it all works without seeing it in the flesh.

Wood Duck
157 posts
16 Nov 2013 6:29AM
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ka43 said..

Google Chinook adjustable outhaul FFS.


I did + read all the posts.



STICK TO PAINTING !!!!!

joe windsurf
1482 posts
16 Nov 2013 9:34AM
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Aah. Thanks that helps. Bit hard to work out how it all works without seeing it in the flesh.


NO NEED to see the flesh

it's quite simple actually
want more sail - loosen the AOH
need sail tighter - tighten the AOH
quite simple really and VERY practical !!!

upwind tighter and downwind looser - comes automatically with time !!

almost planing - loosen it

OVER - tighten

you get the drift ...

DNSDC
NSW, 26 posts
16 Nov 2013 1:21PM
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sboardcrazy said..

Been looking on google at a few.This one seems simple.Does it work?
www.sailworks.com/adjustable-outhaul-double-side.html
Also how hard are they to use ( all types). One thing I read confused me as it said if you let it off to go downwind and gybe and then pull it on it stuffs up the other side ..???or something..didn't really understand what they were getting at.


Loosen the out haul before you bear away. Tighten the out haul just before you gybe. After your gybe, you will be set for close hauled upwind sailing. If you want to go down wind again loosen the out haul on the new side. Don't over think it Sue: release for downwind - reset - gybe - leave it set to go back upwind or release on the new side to go down wind - repeat ad infinitum. Easy

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
16 Nov 2013 3:54PM
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Thanks everyone.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
16 Nov 2013 9:46PM
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Tough crowd. Time to get back to caption comps, cutting down masts and ding repairs here.

NotWal
QLD, 7435 posts
17 Nov 2013 6:44PM
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Try again without naming names.

The forum rules summary:
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* Be part of the community
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Some of you guys must have been raised by baboons.

Rus13b
NSW, 271 posts
18 Nov 2013 8:11AM
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I think it time for laurie to implament a hero section of seabreeze. all the know it all hero's can sign
into a diiff seabreeze than us mear mortals.
remember when you didn't know about ****.

PubMenace
WA, 12 posts
18 Nov 2013 5:24AM
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Rus13b said..

I think it time for laurie to implament a hero section of seabreeze. all the know it all hero's can sign
into a diiff seabreeze than us mear mortals.
remember when you didn't know about ****.


I dont think it is about that Rus13b, I think it is about someone repeatedly asking questions but never takes any of the advise.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
18 Nov 2013 1:05PM
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PubMenace said..

Rus13b said..

I think it time for laurie to implament a hero section of seabreeze. all the know it all hero's can sign
into a diiff seabreeze than us mear mortals.
remember when you didn't know about ****.


I dont think it is about that Rus13b, I think it is about someone repeatedly asking questions but never takes any of the advise.


How do you know I don't take the advise?

KevinD002
226 posts
18 Nov 2013 11:17AM
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NotWal said..

Try again without naming names.

The forum rules summary:
* Be friendly
* Be helpful
* Show respect for others

* Be part of the community
* Help others be better
* Help keep topics, on topic
* No abuse, insults or personal attacks
* No foul language
* No trolling
etc etc (look it up)

Some of you guys must have been raised by baboons.



Huh? Were there some personal attacks in this thread??

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
18 Nov 2013 1:36PM
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Sue,
Firstly take this advice with a grain of salt, but from a grumpy middle aged man's perspective you don't earn yourself brownie points with some fellow seabreezers by being lazy and starting thread topics that have been covered ad infinitum in lieu of doing a seabreeze / Google search in the first instance.

As a community we do happily provide invaluable advice but I'm sensing some angst from fellow seabreezers towards you for failing to do even the most basic of internet searches.

Anyway as I mentioned you can take my advice with a grain of salt.

NotWal
QLD, 7435 posts
18 Nov 2013 4:15PM
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^^^ There is no place for grumpy male angst on a civilized forum. We shouldn't pander to it.

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
18 Nov 2013 5:27PM
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Sue,
Firstly take this advice with a grain of salt, but from a grumpy middle aged man's perspective you don't earn yourself brownie points with some fellow seabreezers by being lazy and starting thread topics that have been covered ad infinitum in lieu of doing a seabreeze / Google search in the first instance.

As a community we do happily provide invaluable advice but I'm sensing some angst from fellow seabreezers towards you for failing to do even the most basic of internet searches.

Anyway as I mentioned you can take my advice with a grain of salt.


I did Google and read all the previous posts I could find + googled and book marked adjustable outhauls before I posted this.
Nothing like some real world user feedback... None of the posts I found talked about it from the user angle other than Windxtasy and her cleat slipping.What experience have people had etc.. I also couldn't quite understand one of the concepts from looking at the diagrams but thanks to people here I now do.
I appreciate all the input and used seabreeze feedback to choose my last board -
People here suggested JP"s Tabou 3 S - rockets , freestyle waves etc. I PM'd a few girls about some of the types to get their feedback.
I reluctantly discarded the 3s because from feedback here the tail was too narrow to take big cammed sails.
It was also suggested I demo boards so when I got the chance to demo a Freemove ( which I was assured was designed to handle large cammed sails) and a 115ltre rocket I tested both.Using peoples comments helped me to make my decision. I know my choice was a compromise but I'm happy with it.
So thanks for all the imput.
It's one thing to read manufacturers raves and another to get peoples own experience of a product. You then have to take into account your own particular needs and single out the one that's most likely to suit you.

powersloshin
NSW, 1844 posts
18 Nov 2013 5:50PM
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sausage said..
Sue,
Firstly take this advice with a grain of salt, but from a grumpy middle aged man's perspective you don't earn yourself brownie points with some fellow seabreezers by being lazy and starting thread topics that have been covered ad infinitum in lieu of doing a seabreeze / Google search in the first instance.
..............



The same topics keep appearing over and over: advise for newbie, how to fix my board, waterstart, jibe tips, where to sail in SW, etc. I have never seen anyone been blamed for not researching the seabreeze forum history. Also no one is forced to reply if he doesn't like the question. So I agree that it's better to keep negative feelings for yourself and post only if you are happy to help others.

CaptainHadoc
NSW, 128 posts
18 Nov 2013 6:57PM
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I remember when I bought my first one. I easily found all the information about where to get all the parts, which pulley worked the best, what rope diameter for each section...
However, I remember struggling to visualise exactly how it worked, what force it would require and when to use which position. Also, rigging up with one.
And sure as hell, I'd probably still fail to do this freak*** bowline knot on first attempt (mine was a 3:1).

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
18 Nov 2013 7:32PM
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NotWal said..

^^^ There is no place for grumpy male angst on a civilized forum. We shouldn't pander to it.


Plenty of grumpy males in Sydney ATM, not enough wind and too much rain!,


Ben 555
NSW, 456 posts
18 Nov 2013 8:23PM
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Sad white grumpy males with compassion fatigue

And I am one of them

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
18 Nov 2013 9:14PM
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sboardcrazy said..


... None of the posts I found talked about it from the user angle other than Windxtasy and her cleat slipping.What experience have people had etc.. I also couldn't quite understand one of the concepts from looking at the diagrams but thanks to people here I now do.


I disagree SBcrazy. Here's a 5minute search of relevant threads:
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/Outhaul-Kit/
http://www.jfeehan.net/windsurfing/outhaul.html
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/Adjustable-Outhaul/
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/setting-up-adjustable-outhaul/
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/Wide-end-boom-adjustable-out-haul/
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/Adjustable-outhaul/
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/Loft-adjustable-outhaul/
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/In-Flight-Outhaul-System/

Images - google 'adjustable outhaul + windsurfing'
www.google.com.au/search?q=adjustable+outhaul+%2B+windsurfing&client=firefox-a&hs=32h&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=reeJUu66OYG-kAXZr4DIDA&ved=0CE0QsAQ&biw=1076&bih=843


PS - Apologies as my grumpiness was/is elevated from sitting in a hospital waiting room for the better half of the day.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
18 Nov 2013 9:36PM
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.............. So I agree that it's better to keep negative feelings for yourself and post only if you are happy to help others.


Fair point Powersloshin.

shoodbegood
VIC, 873 posts
18 Nov 2013 10:52PM
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Leave Sue alone, if you don't like her or any one else's questions, move on.
Everyone's different, some are happy to experiment, some want to weigh it all up, so what?
Remember, the best sailor, surfer, SUPer, Kiter, whoever, is the one having the good times, it's not that serious, we're not world champions, we're just mucking around having fun! Ha!



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