Ok here we go again.................

18 to 23 cross, cross off , Good 3 foot, on the sets waves,
Bit of a Waiting period for the sets .
In fact if you fanged to fast, you would be 5km out to sea before the sets arrived SO why fang flat out all the time.

1 to get out there first and claim a set wave. (may be you carnt plod along AND stall to stay in line )?
or 2 trying to prove you can sail faster stronger and better in and around the break dumping your kite over around and in front of every one.?

GOT NEWS 4 YOU

kITE PERSONNEL think because where windsurfing ,,,,, pintching relaxing and cruising /plodding up wind...... actually because you dont want to plan flat out and your buying time for the sets to arrive.

Your unhappy ,carnt sail and there better,

I COULD GO ON .........AND WOULD LOVE TO SPEAK MY MIND woulnt want upset da happy forum vibe.

But if you kite POSSIE have been out for 2 hours and 10 sailer hit it............... ......use your fkn brains ......FK OFF

Will one of you please
show us your BACK HAND ROUND HOUSE CUTBACK

I'm sorry, I must have missed something... ^^^
I didn't get your message ???
lol.

If anyone could understand that; then I would have thought it would be you Waveslave!

The art of good tak......

I think it was about waiting for waves out the back and picking up a swell, each person takes their turn, one wave each. Champagne windsurfing.

and then kiters roll up and start doing their trademark 50m long runs and dropping in............. instead of going out the back, picking up a lonely swell and waiting their f%^ing turn like everyone else does.

Sounds like we should put up signs on the beach, could be justified to the local councils as means to avoid fights

But kiters are not the only ones. I've had a few windsurfers tack right in front of me on the swell I'd picked up hundreds of meters back. Rules and courtesy can be learned...

i hear you KOP i hear you.

But i have to add that its not just tea baggers that disobey the unwritten rules.

At a certain wave break in the north west last year polers were also ignoring the rules.
Dropping in, snaking not going to the back of the fkn line etc etc were all order of the day.

It gets to a point where you see the riders doing the righty and you'll give way, smile and share the stoke.
The ones consistiently doing the wrong will incur the wrath of my speed, manoverability and can get ****ed.

Sounds like normal surfing to me. The faster more manouverable surfer pops into the wave whenever they can ... as they should. You can never assume the guy in the right spot will get the wave.

The real test of good manners is whether they pull out when they see you have caught the wave from your position of priority.

Why don't you post your concerns on the kite forum? Preferably with complete sentences so people know what you are talking about.

I wonder why poleys can't fang hard upwind anymore ?
Maybe they never could ?
Maybe the big, boxey boat-rail shaped into the poleboard is what makes them drift downwind so much ?
They need some refinement.

Wave slaye

Funny how when the wind drops out and its really glassy and light perfect for wave slaying YOUR nowhere to be seen.

Windsurfers are all over youS LIKE A RASH plodding out to the take off.

you and yr kiter buddies end up down wind washed up in the shore break and weed ? as u kite drops out of the sky .....love it when i hear boom

OH you REALLY DIDNT UNDERSTAND the main point ..........
THERE NOT ENOUGH ROOM .......AT TIMES

As for the rails may be a bit of volume my help you to link your turns, rather than looking like a water skier behind a v8 running on 4 cylinders? as the fuel is starved and suddenly surges.


Oh youve improved ........

line up and make room or stay down wind

Hey Langy I hear it's getting pretty full on out at the Point these days.
Over population of the stringy thingys forcing many to go elsewhere ?

Please sir can I have some More... Pt More that is !

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Gorgo said...

Sounds like normal surfing to me. The faster more manouverable surfer pops into the wave whenever they can ... as they should. You can never assume the guy in the right spot will get the wave.

Right-on Gorgo. ^^^

Crowd-surfing has always been about the mad scramble for waves and then claiming one for yourself.
Grabbing a wave with a kite is like stalking your prey and then going in for the kill.
Poleys like to think they can take a number and wait, while they line-up in the supermarket wave-queue.
They chug-along on their wind-trolley from way out the back waiting for the check-out chick to call out "next".
If I rode out to sea on the same course as a poley does..
it would feel like I was intentionally trying to go stupidly downwind.
lol.
I'm straight out to the take-off spot, man. Poste haste.
No detours for me.

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waveslave said...

Gorgo said...

Sounds like normal surfing to me. The faster more manouverable surfer pops into the wave whenever they can ... as they should. You can never assume the guy in the right spot will get the wave.

Right-on Gorgo. ^^^

Crowd-surfing has always been about the mad scramble for waves and then claiming one for yourself.
Grabbing a wave with a kite is like stalking your prey and then going in for the kill.
Poleys like to think they can take a number and wait, while they line-up in the supermarket wave-queue.
They chug-along on their wind-trolley from way out the back waiting for the check-out chick to call out "next".
If I rode out to sea on the same course as a poley does..
it would feel like I was intentionally trying to go stupidly downwind.
lol.
I'm straight out to the take-off spot, man. Poste haste.
No detours for me.

Your pretty new school hey. Have you seen Point Break before?
The ocean is just full of energy, theres plenty to share around, bra. You dont have to have the aditude of an armed robber and try to take more than your fair share.

I think what KOTP is saying, is that sometimes you don't want to fang out to sea all the time. You and your windsurf buddies want to be able to stall it around the point, hover around in light winds and pick off the sets. That becomes impossible in light winds when a kite goes past, and picks up the swell first, even though the sailor has been hovering on the right spot for 5 mins. Not sure what the answer is as this also happens just when windsurfers out, but then you kind of don't mind as much as its a level playing field, kind of, and normally, the wobbled sailor gets let on to a few waves anyway by his fellow crew (in my dreams)

But when the wind is light, the windsurfers only option for waves is to wobble around. If the sailor is down wind, then the kiter claims it from kiting in from out the back. If the windsurfers wobbles up wind, he will be told he is dropping in as the kiter has come from out the back, so that leaves the windsurfer nowhere to go but home or just stand around wobbling for a lucky one. No real answer, as in surfing its the same. I guess KOTP grief is because of new tools to do the job. They are being used to get waves early and potentially just ruining it for windsurfers out there on light days. Whos fault or problem is that is a matter of opinion, with no clear answers.

lol.

If this post is anything to go by, then they'll never get the message. I actually feel for the responsible kiters [oops] kiter out there.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=62624

Maybe the answer for all the people that realy get upset about it is to have an Octogon on the beach or in the car park? (UFC)

Then people could leave there frustrations at the beach and not on the Internet.

I do think its funny though. Eg when Im surfing and someone is paddling around me taking all the waves, I just drop in on them when im ready. They might say something the first few times you do it, but they soon get the message

We just need a sign at the beach that says "Play nice boys and girls"

String 'em up!!!!!!!!

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Wet Willy said...

String 'em up!!!!!!!!

Always. I dont see the need for getting upset. Get even.

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waveslave said...

I'm sorry, I must have missed something... ^^^
I didn't get your message ???
lol.

Reminds me of most kiters I see in the waves

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waveslave said...

Gorgo said...

Sounds like normal surfing to me. The faster more manouverable surfer pops into the wave whenever they can ... as they should. You can never assume the guy in the right spot will get the wave.

Right-on Gorgo. ^^^

Crowd-surfing has always been about the mad scramble for waves and then claiming one for yourself.
Grabbing a wave with a kite is like stalking your prey and then going in for the kill.
....

That's not what I said and I think you know it. Everybody goes for the wave and everybody pulls out if the priority guy gets it.

As far as the stalking your prey thing goes, that is ultra lame. For the average windsurfer vs the average kiter there is no contest. Kite gear is so far superior in terms of speed and manouverability that you could grab every wave without exercising much skill at all ... which I guess is what KOTP is whinging about.

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Gorgo said...

waveslave said...

Gorgo said...

Sounds like normal surfing to me. The faster more manouverable surfer pops into the wave whenever they can ... as they should. You can never assume the guy in the right spot will get the wave.

Right-on Gorgo. ^^^

Crowd-surfing has always been about the mad scramble for waves and then claiming one for yourself.
Grabbing a wave with a kite is like stalking your prey and then going in for the kill.
....

That's not what I said and I think you know it. Everybody goes for the wave and everybody pulls out if the priority guy gets it.

As far as the stalking your prey thing goes, that is ultra lame.

I'll tell you what's ultra lame. ^^^
Getting in a stupid queue with chug-along poleys and watching it all back-up and gridlock...
cause the inside dude decides to stall-out to wait for the perfect wave.
lol.

Mr Slave

as you well know stalling is not tolerated at many wave breaks

same as we won't stand for kiters turning onto a peaking wave when we've been on it for 100m already

i try to stay away from rolling waves and head for the peak as that is were the action is

Hey Sausage, if you liked the Currumbin link, check out this amazingly risky kiter jump!!!



Cheers!

Ok there is a times ......a period say in 12to15 Knots where kites can get the wood over a windsurfer.
But not as often as you kiters want to believe and think ,

When wsfng at this wind strenght you have to work the gusts and swells BUT you can elect to bear off and plan and chase down and over take a kite. or cruise plodd UP WIND SLOWLY and guess what a windsurfers and kite meet at the same spot on the crossover.

IF YOUR not a SLAYE to the WAVE youll be up wind of hmm every time

But hey is there really enough wind for a kite to be bearing away ?????????

Volume rails LOVE a bit of volume ???? but hey slide Vs Grip .....Sinking AND SURGING staying on the wave face............

kITERS please sHOW US your fkn CUT BACK IN Cross Cross OF.FFFFFFFFFF conditions.


I CONDON STALLING FOR A SET WAVE AND STACKING A LINE UP. ALL

But agree kiters love to sail out and pick off lots of gods garbage, between the sets waves OK but not if theres crew plodding planing out down wind OF YOU .

Get stuffed its better you sail da beach break.

You got no idea of the wind shear as the thing swings along the surface of the water and up and down like a yo yo as you have to watch it dropping out of the sky come crashing down at you every run .

You want to swoop me ...........Gybe just up wind of me

............ get stuffed .....................

Swoop dogy swoop WELL BRING IT ON .......... GET READY TO BE SWOOPED

like flys on my back ...................im armed with my nanna s fly swat

Huhhhhh????

Waiter, I think that this man has had enough.

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king of the point said...

Ok there is a times ......a period say in 12to15 Knots where kites can get the wood over a windsurfer.

I agree. ^^^

KOTP, that would have to be the best fishing story ever, no bait, no hook, not even a rod

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mineral1 said...

KOTP, that would have to be the best fishing story ever, no bait, no hook, not even a rod

I'm with you on that one Mike... the only problem is what KOTP hooked wouldn't be worth keeping, or throwing back either.
I reckon the garden would even reject it as fertilizer... and that particular individual provides a 24 hour non stop supply of bulls**t !

12 to 15 onshore kiters can have da woody ,you wont see me in your way