They always cut the gybes! Almost everytime, even in racing videos, they cut just as the gybe is starting or even halfway through! Why is this? I would have thought everyone who windsurfs would want to see the gybes.

Maybe it's just me?

I had always assumed that it was because the gybe failed or didn't look smooth.

I agree that they should want to show completed gybes, but I am not sure how many look good or smooth.

... is the s**t music...!

That I no longer get to feature in Dan's best work

360deg cameras, the original gopros were bad enough with the fisheye lense but the 360's take it to a new level of woefull distortion

People doing sick moves on boards without toe in

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peterowensbabs said..
... is the s**t music...!

Yeah I wish youtube was't so aggressive with copyright stuff. I can cut some of my lame windsurfing clips to better music and make it way more interesting, but then they slap it with a notice and warning and won't show it in certain countries. The country list depends on the song. And then instead you can slap on their canned music which is like elevator music but worse, and there's no way I would make an edit so that the music/clips line up well to that crap...

It's a lot of fun when learning editing to do that and they just neuter it right out of the gate. They even let you add real music on instagram but people just choose poorly, usually...

Counterpoint:

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Gestalt said..
People doing sick moves on boards without toe in

I can never decide how much toe in to put on my boards , so I always leave my single fins straight.

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Imax1 said..

Gestalt said..
People doing sick moves on boards without toe in

I can never decide how much toe in to put on my boards , so I always leave my single fins straight.

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elmo said..
360deg cameras, the original gopros were bad enough with the fisheye lense but the 360's take it to a new level of woefull distortion

Yes. They flatten the chop so much it looks like a millpond.

The boring pre-sesh drive to the beach, hoody clad bro-love in the carpark, the always terrible music, lack of gybes (agree with op, although he does have a well known gybe fetish) and high twich editing in general, sunset afterglow shots. Basically, i don't watch them much...

I just realised i generally dont watch videos with carve gybes..

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musorianin said..
The boring pre-sesh drive to the beach, hoody clad bro-love in the carpark, the always terrible music, lack of gybes (agree with op, although he does have a well known gybe fetish) and high twich editing in general, sunset afterglow shots. Basically, i don't watch them much...

The editing! What can we learn form 2 and 3 second shots? Nothing! It's just image salad. If you are going to make a windsurfing video it should have some actual windsurfing in it that you can watch!

That vid " Speedsurfen in Geraldton", is great. The best I've seen for getting the real feel.
For those who havnt seen it
www.bing.com/videos/search?q=speedsurfen+in+gelaldton&&view=detail&mid=C92678F6A187DB614EA9C92678F6A187DB614EA9&&FORM=VRDGAR

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That vid " Speedsurfen in Geraldton", is great. The best I've seen for getting the real feel.

Its made by PvB isn't it? Always good to watch. An exception to the rule of generally deplorable videos

i have to agree on the 360 cam thing - not a fan at all.

I switch off as soon as i see 360 footage.

Newer go pros shoot a nice image with an optional not-so-crazy wide look (that makes mast high waves look like waist high)
and with amazing stabilisation. The real culprit here is the "junkification" of video. Too many short videos dropped on instagram / facey - which people watch the first few seconds of and then scroll on.

(The algorithm counts this as a "view" thus rewarding the creator and in turn their sponsor with a useless stat )

Especially if its a freestyle move -there are literally hundreds and thousands of freestyle videos of flakas etc or, someone trying to tack on a lame 4th or 5th slow spinning slide onto the end of a sequence. It just feels forced.

But i have so much respect for the actual athleticism and technical skill that freestyle windsurfers have.

So there is a huge paradox there. Freestyle action is epic live, but almost unwatchable now on screen due to media saturation.

So much video is made with no care.

The word "Content" is a red flag - just shoot it and get it out there.

With no love in acquisition or edit. But get it out there NOW! live if possible. More, more more! In vertical please so it looks really bad but takes up the most screen on a lazily un rotated phone screen

No lensing,no love to framing or camera movement - often just a phone shot.

Sponsored riders have pressure to get more viewers by dropping endless short low-value videos. As long as the sponsor sees a big number of videos dropped they are happy - regardless of the actual result.

(hint: they need to find a way to measure net engagement - better to have 200 people that love and watch your videos from start to end than 10 thousand viewers that watch the first 3 seconds and scroll on to whatever lame content the algorithm serves up next)

This de values the whole viewing experience.

You can't please everyone all of the time and shouldn't try.

Some people just want you to get straight to the action.

Others love and embrace the journey (PVB video style has captured this really well )

Another Paradox.

What does it all mean? The hope is in longer format video. Or short format done well.

At a time when we are told that attention spans are getting shorter.

(To illustrate how bad it is Facebook recently dropped video optimization from the first 3s to the first 2s of video views.3 seconds was too long to count as a view because people were gone by then)


But at the same time, people are buying film cameras/ vinyl records and embracing the wait to develop film.


And, happily - Punk (or pop punk / punk rock) is Back! Amyl and the Sniffers



- which usually signals a pushback against the narrative people are being fed. Which is encouraging.

More paradoxes! My take - it is better to have a lovingly made production with care and design given to creation, and something to say, and have less viewers but to make a real impact on them.

Examples

- Anything by Bernd Roediger
-John John Florence series of Surfing movies
- The Windsurfing Movies
-4 Dimensions by Andre Paskowski (RIP)

^^^^^ sorry mate, this forum is no place for world class, qualified opinions, we prefer to hear from people with no idea.

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Thats me ,
Im fluent at crap

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Imax1 said..
That vid " Speedsurfen in Geraldton", is great. The best I've seen for getting the real feel.
For those who havnt seen it
www.bing.com/videos/search?q=speedsurfen+in+gelaldton&&view=detail&mid=C92678F6A187DB614EA9C92678F6A187DB614EA9&&FORM=VRDGAR

Direct link - it's on youtube.

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peterowensbabs said..
... is the s**t music...!

Yeah I wish youtube was't so aggressive with copyright stuff. I can cut some of my lame windsurfing clips to better music and make it way more interesting, but then they slap it with a notice and warning and won't show it in certain countries. The country list depends on the song. And then instead you can slap on their canned music which is like elevator music but worse, and there's no way I would make an edit so that the music/clips line up well to that crap...

It's a lot of fun when learning editing to do that and they just neuter it right out of the gate. They even let you add real music on instagram but people just choose poorly, usually...

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I just credit the music and post the video. It's not as though my videos are going to be watched by many people or overseas.
I'm surprised by how often a ' happy' accident occurs with editing and the music lines up beautifully with the 'action'.

Music is difficult. Every one has different tastes and they can be polarising. Most music used in windsurf videos is terrible. Either: Euro-trash - (which is strange given the the European classical music heritage); "edgy" quirky but utterly forgettable pop ; or hard rock knock-offs, which is generally offensive to anyone without acne.

I usualy mute the video and put my own choice on.