Hey everyone,
I'm looking at trading in my old sails soon, and getting a more matching range of sails and masts.
I'm more specifically looking for PowerWave Sails (freestylewave)
that are quite tough to survive catapaults everynow and then
And more importantly dont carry to big a price.
Sizes im thinking are, 4.8, 5.5, 6.2
I think 2005-08 range is ideal, so there in still good quality but are quite low on the price side.

I will take on everybodys opinion, but queenslanders and nsws more specifically as they will have similar sails to the ones on the market.

Please list any dud powerwave sails of the years 05-08

Cheers

KA KULTS!

Bit of a blatant pimp here, but i got a 06 5.3m naish force and a 07 5.9m north duke for sale cheap. Both sails get good reviews. And will fit on the same mast. I saw a NP x6 RDM in buy/sell for cheap which would probably be a good fit.

i think you are around the same weight as me, and 4.7 (the ezzy you already have?), 5.3, 5.9 is a good sail range to have, along with a 100L freestyle board for our conditions, and something around 85L for windier days. Thats my kit, and I think most of the guys who are into freestyle around here thats the kit of choice.

Your most important bit of kit would be a sail around 5.7 <-> 6.1m and a 100L freestyle board, cause guaranteed that will be the kit you use 80% of the time.

If you are keen on racing, then obviously you would want some bigger gear.

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swoosh said...



i think you are around the same weight as me, and 4.7 (the ezzy you already have?), 5.3, 5.9 is a good sail range to have, along with a 100L freestyle board for our conditions, and something around 85L for windier days. Thats my kit, and I think most of the guys who are into freestyle around here thats the kit of choice.

Your most important bit of kit would be a sail around 5.7 <-> 6.1m and a 100L freestyle board, cause guaranteed that will be the kit you use 80% of the time.

Hey mate, yeah ive updated my gear abit since the 4.7 and 155lt :P

Getting a 99lt Starboard Flare
Also have a 85lt Hardcore Wave board
And currently have a 4.7 Ezzy Wave SE, 6.2 Gaastra, 7.0 Ezzy Wave SE
My problem is, the ezzys are very heavy to learn freestyle, and the gaastra proberbly wont last another 3 months. My masts dont suit the sails. and yeah i think your getting my point that i should just start fresh on sails and masts.
And yeah weight = 75kg

Ow and can somebody tell me the min wind speed for freestyle with 6.2?

Hey you will probably start planing around 13kts but you would probably want 15-16kts+ to be able to pop reasonably well.

End of the day you are always going to have a tradeoff between weight and durability, if you want a light monofilm sail its not going to last anywhere near as along as an xply sail no matter what the manufacturer tries to say about their magical new monofilm blend or whatever. Also you will probably want to go for a smaller sail if at all possible. 6.2 is probably a bit big, if you can get away with something as small as a 5.7 like haircut it would make your life easier.

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Scully said...

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Please list any dud powerwave sails of the years 05-08

Cheers

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Gestalt said...

KA KULTS!

I thought you liked them.

they're awesome.

everyone should get some.

i also agree with swoosh, 5.8 is the biggest you want for freestyle and with that size and a 100lt freestyle board and decent fin you'll be going in 13 knots.

mabey ill just reply to my own question :P

LOFT LIP WAVE
Naish Force
Ezzy Wave SE
NP Combat
Simmer Icon + Iron
Gaastra Poison
Goya Wave
Severne s1 + Gator
North Ice + Duke
Tushingham Rock
KA KULT toooo rare

Ill edit this later with ther prices, strength, wikidness

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Scully said...

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Please list any dud powerwave sails of the years 05-08

Cheers

Gestalt said...

KA KULTS!

I thought you liked them.

hehe

But seriously Scully I dont know if you want to get to fussy with sails and mast mate.
Yer sure down the track you may feel the diff but at at your stage i wouldnt worry too much. **** you should have been around back when I was learning and the crap we use to have to use .

cheers Vando

don't forget

loft lip wave,
vandal reverb
sailworks revolution
XO shark
blade sails global wave

hey i noticed KA not on your list.

www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing/Sails/~r6dae/2006-Naish-Force-53-metre.aspx?search=P6K%2ftsb2rZrARE%2bQ6m0Zxw%3d%3d

What about this one Scully within your budget

thx vando,
i was more wanting tips on which ones to stay away from and which ones are ideal etc.
Is there a local loft dealer, that happen to stock 2nd hand lips?
So i could buy your old 5.2 then get a 5.7 and 4.7 :D

Scully, there really isn't any dud sails out there these days. Pick any sail, and you will find a bunch of people who swear by them, and others that hate them. A lot is down to personal preference, and mast compatibility.

http://www.boardseekermag.com/windsurfing-equipment-tests/test-index.html <<there heaps of tests here that might give you some idea on the traits of each sail.

Also, recent ezzy's have been some of the lighter sails around. The '09 ezzy wave panthers are size for size lighter then '09 NP the fly.

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Scully said...

thx vando,
i was more wanting tips on which ones to stay away from and which ones are ideal etc.
Is there a local loft dealer, that happen to stock 2nd hand lips?
So i could buy your old 5.2 then get a 5.7 and 4.7 :D

Windsurfing sales had some 08 stock of the lips but they sold out of most.
They do have the 360 free which is there freestyle sail see http://www.windsurfingsales.com.au/products/sails/2009360free.php
I haven't used one so i cannot tell you how good they are.
They seem to have some good reviews on them though.

Thx Vando, they Look great.
Once i have money in my actual hand, ill consider them.

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Gestalt said...

don't forget

loft lip wave,
vandal reverb
sailworks revolution
XO shark
blade sails global wave

Are these good or bad because all of mine have been Sailworks revos..

i was just getting them added in that's all,

Believe it or not, crossply is usually lighter than monofilm, due to its hybrid construction -- you can use much thinner layers of mono in the outside of the sandwich, compared to when you have to make the whole lot out of one bit (which doesn't have the internal reinforcing that X-ply has).

That said, I wouldn't use an Ezzy if you want to learn freestyle -- the large amounts of seam shaping mean that it's almost like a cammed sail. It stays bellied out, even with no wind on it, which is pretty much the opposite of what you're after in a freestyle sail. I know that learning to helitack on my Ezzys is really really hard due to the big change in force that the sail applies when the battens bang over to the new side.

You want a sail that goes dead flat with no wind in it, and slowly bellies out with more wind -- the best I've seen that does this is the Hot Sails Maui sails. They should last forever too

Nebbian deserves a mars bar
thx

scully, save your pennys and buy at the end of the season, just as the 2011 sails come out. You can either get good deals on brand new 2010 sails, or score a full set from someone that might update their quiver each year.

As Swoosh said, you would be hard pressed to find a bad sail in your desired style. Just be sure of what you want the sail to do and go from there. Also consider that some sails have a better resale than others. This is due to many factors, least of which is marketing of a particular brand. So on the second hand market you can get a good sale cheap just because it may be less desirable, however that may come back to bite if you sell it in the future.