Waterstarting cramps

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powersloshin
powersloshin
NSW
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7 Apr 2012 8:09pm
I am learning to waterstart, so maybe I spend more time kicking in the water than necessary. Today at the end of the session the back of both my tighs started cramping. Has it happened to anyone else and do you know what is the best thing to do or to avoid doing ?
Thanks !
ikw777
ikw777
QLD
2995 posts
QLD, 2995 posts
7 Apr 2012 8:24pm
Bouyancy vest.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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WA, 23647 posts
7 Apr 2012 6:31pm
^^ agreed.

But also..... to minimise treading water:

Go out on a day when you are bordering on overpowered so when you fly the sail it wants to rip you up out of the water

- Point nose of board into wind so mast is across the wind
- Lay on your back and frog kick to tow mast upwind and lift at same time - it will fly easily then. The frog kick is important as if you have more than about a 170cm boom the clew end will dig in once the wind lifts the mast end. You are trying to move the rig upwind as you lift the mast.
- Once you have the rig out of the water, and remember we are talking a windy day, you can hang your weight under it with no treading water required. Then just use the power in the rig to steer the nose of the board downwind.

This involves a whole lot less treading water than the "lift mast at the tip and work your way down" technique. It also teaches how to rig steer the board into position when the sail is above your head, which you are going to have to do eventually... especially in choppy water, where the board has moved by the time u have flown the mast tip and worked your way down.

Also, the lazy way.... The wind will blow the board downwind faster than the sail. So if you crash and everything is positioned totally wrong, sit on the board and have a spell. As it floats downwind and the sail stays in the water, the whole thing will rotate around the centre of the board (mastfoot area) and will at some stage be in a bewwdiful waterstart position without you needing to tread water and drag it around.
ginger pom
ginger pom
VIC
1746 posts
VIC, 1746 posts
7 Apr 2012 8:48pm
Mark is right. Keep mast across wind and do the start in a bear away and go movement where you go up as the board bears away. If you bear away and don't go, then all you'll do is drift fast while the sail stalls.

The wind likes to see the mast so think about the mast being most upwind part of the sail.... It's all 3d and difficult to explain so try it with beer mats first.
powersloshin
powersloshin
NSW
1855 posts
NSW, 1855 posts
7 Apr 2012 9:32pm
Thanks for all your tips, but my question was not put clearly enough, it was not about waterstarting, but more specifically about cramps. I go out with a pfd, have an idea of what to do and manage to eventually start. But I think what happened to me could happen to a better sailor in different circumstances like a long day or a marathon or being very far from shore. I wanted to know if it is more or less common and what can be done once you get the cramps.
Cheers
evets
evets
WA
685 posts
WA, 685 posts
7 Apr 2012 7:58pm
I hugely reduced the occurrence of cramp by wearing a camelback and drinking regularly while sailing
nick0
nick0
NSW
510 posts
NSW, 510 posts
7 Apr 2012 9:58pm
i get em im my thighs i find trying to reach for my toes on what eva leg it is .. work best 4 the pain and helps to get rid quicker .. also swearing and mabey a fist pump will hlp with the pain :)every now and then i get in bicept while jybeing/tacksing then my arms are under load and bend .. only when tired after a long sail
stringer
stringer
WA
703 posts
WA, 703 posts
7 Apr 2012 8:24pm
Don't go out when you have your period. :)

But seriously drink lucozade, or cranberry juice
grandfromage
grandfromage
WA
344 posts
WA, 344 posts
7 Apr 2012 8:32pm
I used get em every time I went sailing or baddle boarding along with heavily blurred vision and headaches. Tried bananas, magnesium tablets, even had a cat scan, but the thing I found worked best was to make sure you had eaten a decent meal at some point during the day before sailing (not immediately before or sometimes you end up eating it twice) and to drink 1-1.5 liters of water on your way to the beach. Literally works every time. If you cant eat for whatever reason, make sure you drink the water. Good luck, cramps are really annoying.
R1DER
R1DER
WA
1474 posts
WA, 1474 posts
7 Apr 2012 8:39pm
If your prone to cramps.
Don't drink alcohol the night before sailing
Pinch of salt in a big bottle of h20 come in and drink regularly.
Daily magnesium supplement
Healthy diet
Larger size wetsuit = better blood flow, less constrictive.
Regular cardiovascular exercise.
Works for me
ikw777
ikw777
QLD
2995 posts
QLD, 2995 posts
7 Apr 2012 11:20pm
powersloshin said...

Thanks for all your tips, but my question was not put clearly enough, it was not about waterstarting, but more specifically about cramps. I go out with a pfd, have an idea of what to do and manage to eventually start. But I think what happened to me could happen to a better sailor in different circumstances like a long day or a marathon or being very far from shore. I wanted to know if it is more or less common and what can be done once you get the cramps.
Cheers


If thats the case then a little more practice will see you right. I have always used a pfd. I don't think I kick much at all evenwhen positioning the rig.
aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
8 Apr 2012 9:02am
just drink lots of water before and after sailing and a bit of stretching before you head out can help.

Stay away from carbonated drinks.
ABCELMO
ABCELMO
104 posts
104 posts
8 Apr 2012 8:00am
Magnesium may help, I take it at night time with zinc (before bed) and = no cramps even when i'm at the gym.

This is a good article for mag:

www.mg12.info/articles/cramps.html

Or this website for magnesium rich foods:

whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=75
jermaldan
jermaldan
VIC
1572 posts
VIC, 1572 posts
8 Apr 2012 4:23pm
what about the water temp where you are? do you wear a steamer? do you wear booties?
R1DER
R1DER
WA
1474 posts
WA, 1474 posts
8 Apr 2012 8:13pm
windlure said...

Magnesium may help, I take it at night time with zinc (before bed) and = no cramps even when i'm at the gym.

This is a good article for mag:

www.mg12.info/articles/cramps.html

Or this website for magnesium rich foods:

whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=75

Thanks both good articles

Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
10 Apr 2012 8:38pm
jermaldan said...

what about the water temp where you are? do you wear a steamer? do you wear booties?


I only get cramps during water starting when I sail in winter.
I doubt that's your problem at the moment though.
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