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Transition from windsurfing.

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Created by Underoath > 9 months ago, 5 Mar 2013
Subsonic
WA, 3384 posts
16 Mar 2013 11:21PM
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Wow! the old gangs here! everyone but Flipper1111 er whoops, I mean Flipper4444, where are ya Flip?

I remember reading posts like this with Mark, Loto and Flipper etc in a big verbal stouch, were what got me interested in the seabreeze scene!

Ahhhh, Happy Days

hamburglar
ACT, 2174 posts
17 Mar 2013 8:24AM
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Had to check twice to make sure I was in the right forum, for a bunch of anti kiters you sure like talking about them

And I'm surprised at how many of you homophob's have tried it and failed, only to cover it up by saying
"It was to easy, i don't like having fun, I'm to manly to do that girly stuff, how can i froth a dragon on mushies with tampon strings arrrrgh, no one can red thumb me when my hands on me pole "

Bwhahahaha sisisis hahahaha

ggh
VIC, 190 posts
17 Mar 2013 10:02AM
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Underoath said...

I was informed that more people made the transition from windsurfing to kite surfing, than the actual number of people who took up the sport (2012).

It was something along the lines of 12% of windsurfers swapped to kite surfing.




We are now at page three just a reminder of how it started

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
17 Mar 2013 9:40AM
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ggh said...
Underoath said...

I was informed that more people made the transition from windsurfing to kite surfing, than the actual number of people who took up the sport (2012).

It was something along the lines of 12% of windsurfers swapped to kite surfing.




We are now at page three just a reminder of how it started



Tar

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
17 Mar 2013 9:53AM
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hamburglar said...
Had to check twice to make sure I was in the right forum, for a bunch of anti kiters you sure like talking about them

And I'm surprised at how many of you homophob's have tried it and failed, only to cover it up by saying
"It was to easy, i don't like having fun, I'm to manly to do that girly stuff, how can i froth a dragon on mushies with tampon strings arrrrgh, no one can red thumb me when my hands on me pole "

Bwhahahaha sisisis hahahaha



Watch were you put that hand

I can do anything hanging on to my pole ...........Just red thumbed you

Who said anyone was anti kiting only in cross offshores and 20 knots

I JUST HATE THEM anywhere near me

Up wind
Down wind
Flatwater
In the surf

The best kiting is done down at your local park

Underoath
QLD, 2434 posts
21 Mar 2013 7:46PM
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This thread needs a bump. I obviously haven't ticked off enough old foke yet.

CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
21 Mar 2013 10:08PM
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At my local it's the opposite, on many occasions this summer there has been more windsurfers than kiters, bucking the 'trend'

I only have one suggestion for kiters though, stop riding surfboards toe side and strapless, it looks straight up full retard most of the time. Get some straps and utilise your parachute and boost airs off the lip back into the pocket or something worthy of praise. Stop riding toe side because it looks ridiculous, you guys ride twin tips both sides, do the same on surf boards if you insist on riding them.*

*Observations from someone who has observed kiting for some period and has seen a marked decline in the wave riding prowess of most people since the strapless craze started.

windsurfer93
QLD, 6 posts
21 Mar 2013 9:35PM
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Proof that kitesurfing is stupid! www.kitemare.com/kitemare-lessons-learned/

Richiefish
QLD, 5612 posts
22 Mar 2013 8:29AM
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"Harder is better" .Quote. The Porn Industry.

Wineman
NSW, 1412 posts
22 Mar 2013 10:00AM
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I have been ignoring this thread, but it might just be worth this [}:)]


windsurfer93
QLD, 6 posts
22 Mar 2013 10:06AM
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Statistics show Underoath is a wa###r! And should try windsurfing!

sboardcrazy
NSW, 8292 posts
22 Mar 2013 1:11PM
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windsurfer93 said...
Proof that kitesurfing is stupid! www.kitemare.com/kitemare-lessons-learned/


Cripes I used to think I might give it a go if I had more money and lived on the coast but not after reading some of those!!

terminal
1421 posts
22 Mar 2013 6:40PM
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sboardcrazy said...
windsurfer93 said...
Proof that kitesurfing is stupid! www.kitemare.com/kitemare-lessons-learned/


Cripes I used to think I might give it a go if I had more money and lived on the coast but not after reading some of those!!


The kite gear has got a lot safer in recent years.

There's also an advantage in being a windsurfer in that if conditions dont suit kitesurfing eg. there is no safe launch available or the wind is very strong, gusty or just stop-start - you can go windsurfing.

Being sensible helps too, as the vast majority of kite accidents were avoidable if you went about things the right way and stuck to the safety advice.

Gwendy
SA, 472 posts
22 Mar 2013 9:24PM
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mrrt said...
Underoath said...

I was informed that more people made the transition from windsurfing to kite surfing, than the actual number of people who took up the sport (2012).


I bought a kite and then came back to windsurfing after a kitemare and the hassles of kiting just got too much.

Kiting is very easy to learn - I did three small jumps one after the other on my first run with a board (as opposed to body-dragging) and found getting air to be very fun.

However, these are some of the things I don't like about kiting:

- untangling lines in the sand and weed of the beach
- having to pester someone else to launch and land my kite
- the amount of beach I took up with my lines spread out
- unless I bought a much bigger kite than my 12m, I still couldn't sail on days with wind lighter than my 7.5m windsurfer sail could get me planing on.
- like water skiing or wake-boarding it's hell on your legs in choppy water - so much for having fun in the waves
- worrying about getting tangled in my lines in the water and then having the kite re-launch and take off a finger or worse.

However, it is the kitemares that every kiter has that had me re-thinking my reponsibility to my 4 year old daughter after the number of kiting fatalities passed the 100 mark including that father of several kids down at Safety Bay a few years back.

In my case I ended up being dragged through the water towards rocks unable to release any of my safeties against the water pressure that did it for me. Thankfully my kite hit the beach before I hit the rocks on that occasion. Then there were the innumerable stories my Physio cousin had to tell of kiters coming in with ankle, knee, leg and back injuries.

I do aim to get out again sometime as i do enjoy it - maybe next season, but I keep finding it so much less hassle rigging my windsurfing kit that I keep putting it off.


how would you know that kiting is easy to learn when you obviously have not yet learnt it.

All the problems with kiting you mention are all beginers issues. All these problems disappear after you have learned to kite properly.

We all know the potential hazards with kites and they are all easily avoided with good instruction and experience. common sence helps too.

After decades of sailboarding my attitude to kiting was much the same as the other sailboarders in this thread until my son took up kiting a few years ago. I had lessons too so I would know what to do if he got in the sh!t.

I saw the potential and bought a kite for those 15 knot days when its not enough for decent blast on a sailboard. Before long it was 50/50 if it was kite or sail in 18 to 25 knots and now I'm at the point that I wonder if I'll ever use a sailboard again. I sold all my bigger gear and kept a small wave board and 4.2 and 5.0 sails for when its really nuking.

saying all kiters have had a kitemare is total rubbish. I still have not had anything in kiting that sucks as much as getting heavily catapaulted on a sailboard.



pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
23 Mar 2013 1:43AM
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how would you know that kiting is easy to learn when you obviously have not yet learnt it.

Huh, simple: because all kiters and all windsurfers taking up kiting say so.
I think they invariably refer to the time taken to get started, and the lesser effort it takes to do it.
Not a problem with that, but just answering the question.

Cluffy
NSW, 422 posts
23 Mar 2013 9:29AM
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I've never really been jealous of kiting until last Thursday at jimmy's beach. Even When I'm out on my JP SLW 90 in light stuff having a relaxing time and kiters with massive kites and race boards are absolutely kicking my arse. I'm still not jealous, mainly impressed and bemused at how often they get dragged. Those big kites are definitely doing some impressive speeds in light stuff though.

but getting back to Thursday at jimmy's, this guy was only on a small kite and a strapless board(what's with that anyway?) but he was sailing a few feet from the shore in the mirror smooth water with his kite up above the dunes catching nice wind while I was struggling in gusty crap. I was downwind in the gusty northerly trying to get some decent wind and water and at that point I became jealous of kiting for a few moments. I must confess I said to myself I need to do that one day.

Brien
NSW, 172 posts
23 Mar 2013 12:47PM
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What people need to realise is that to actually do any discipline in either sport really well is really hard and takes years to get good at. Sure it is easier to be a kook at kiting than a kook at pole boarding but to actually be good at either sport is just as hard. As far as strapless kiting goes it is lots of fun but takes a very long time before it actually looks good, to judge people on it you need to take into account how long they have done it for. And don't forget that very few wavesailors make our sport look good, but we all know how much we enjoy and that's all that matters.

sideskirt
328 posts
23 Mar 2013 5:45PM
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Haircut
QLD, 6491 posts
23 Mar 2013 9:14PM
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^^ Dasfunnee

terminal
1421 posts
23 Mar 2013 7:54PM
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This sort of sums it up, when you can get professional lessons in a place like this and then thank them afterwards.

Fortunately there are some schools where you can learn safely, but does a beginner understand the difference?

Gwendy
SA, 472 posts
23 Mar 2013 11:32PM
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pierrec45 said...

how would you know that kiting is easy to learn when you obviously have not yet learnt it.

Huh, simple: because all kiters and all windsurfers taking up kiting say so.
I think they invariably refer to the time taken to get started, and the lesser effort it takes to do it.
Not a problem with that, but just answering the question.




Pffft. I fart in the general direction of your gross generalisation.

On a Maui trip in the 90's, My wife had some sailboard lessons. We picked an instructor who claimed to have every student sailing around within a 2 hour lesson, guaranteed. Sure enough, She was sailing in and out within an hour.

Now the purists among you may squeal "Oh, that was a 14 ft board with a 2.7m sail, you can't call that windsurfing". My answer to that would be that this bloke was at the time a Neil Pryde PWA team sailor and if he reckons its windsurfing it is. He even gave me one of his surplus gear bags with the badge still on it.





In 2 hrs of kite lessons she didn't get anywhere near being ready for getting up on a board. Why, because jumping on a big wally board and uphauling a little sail is way easier than learning the skills required before dropping a kite into the power zone with your feet in the straps of a twin tip, no matter what size. A lot of people short cut the process, and don't master kite control and body dragging first, and that is why sh!t happens.

Besides that, You can't consider yourself a kiter unless you can rock up at your local, self launch and land, and enjoy a session with the confidence to deal with any situation alone if necessary. Bit like you can't consider yourself a driver unless you can drive a car around the block without wiping anything out.


Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
23 Mar 2013 9:27PM
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All of that may be true Gwendy, but that is just to "get going". Lets look at proficient flat out and carve turn, and come back, say 20x without falling in.
That is a season for kiting, and 3 seasons (at best) for windsurfing.

For proper wavesailing it is maybe 3 seasons for kiters and 5 or 6 for windsurfers.
I see windsurfers with 10 yrs experience use every ounce of skill to get out thru mast high stuff (planing) and a 2 season kiter just boost or turn outa trouble.
I see people using every tiny bit of skill to keep planing in marginal conditions on a windsurfer but the kite's lift just keeps the kiters going easy. Weed is no issue. Crossing the reef is no issue.

Major major differences.

Who cares, we are ALL having fun. But many windsufers pride themselves on taking the harder road.

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
24 Mar 2013 11:17PM
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WOW,, all those things you listed above Markie.........no wonder all the windsurfers are now kiting.

Carantoc
WA, 7194 posts
25 Mar 2013 7:47AM
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What also appears to be true is that 12% of kiters come here to make comment that is soley designed to stir up a reaction from the gentile retired windsurfing folks - and the biggest reactions they get are from other kiters

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
25 Mar 2013 4:06PM
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^^^^^^So Mark does kite.

Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
25 Mar 2013 7:17PM
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lotofwind said...
^^^^^^So Mark does kite.


I did it a few times. I found it not that easy, it was hard to control the kite especially steering it left to right to keep it in the power window. Like, once you get it where you want it, then it is hard to keep it there. Once you have that bit nailed, it is OK. That certainly took me a day or so to get it right.
Then there was no wind for a while so it was a few months before I went out again. It was again a little hard but bit like riding a bike, the skills came back to me after 5mins so I knew I was getting there.

Then when I turned 10 I gave up on flying kites.

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
25 Mar 2013 10:38PM
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Roughly speaking how many months of practice does it take before you are ready to start doing some of those cool kiting tricks like the car park drag, the tree climb, and the boost into the rock wall?

terminal
1421 posts
25 Mar 2013 10:12PM
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ikw777 said...
Roughly speaking how many months of practice does it take before you are ready to start doing some of those cool kiting tricks like the car park drag, the tree climb, and the boost into the rock wall?


Some people are naturals.
I read of one man who only got as far as trying to lay out and set the kite up and it took off, badly injuring him.

Its not even a question of intelligence - intelligent people get injured because they assume the people who got injured weren't intelligent.

It pays to start off with a healthy respect for the kite and gradually learn to control it well through a sensible series of stages.



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