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Transition from windsurfing.

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Created by Underoath > 9 months ago, 5 Mar 2013
Underoath
QLD, 2434 posts
5 Mar 2013 11:17PM
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I was informed that more people made the transition from windsurfing to kite surfing, than the actual number of people who took up the sport (2012).

It was something along the lines of 12% of windsurfers swapped to kite surfing.

Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
5 Mar 2013 9:36PM
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Wow. 12% is hardly a flood. If you look at the wavesailors who left windsurfing to go kite say 5 - 10yrs ago, I reckon at least 12% of them have come back (or dearly wish to) when they found the limitations of kiting. I know a few who have come back to windsurfing, but can't think of a single one who left in the last few yrs


I read more and more people elect to get an auto car license every year cos it is easier. They later regret it when they have to drive for work and may not have option of an auto.

I also read recently that Universities lament the fact that many students in Y12 are now choosing the easier subjects and don't have the requisite skills to survive at Uni, particularly in the areas of English and being able to research a subject and present an argument.

under finned
NSW, 76 posts
6 Mar 2013 12:55AM
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I'm sure the Australian Bureau of Statistics runs a reliable data series on the Transition to Other Surf-related Sports (TOSSer series) that provides extremely accurate quantitative analysis of this migration. Maybe that's where your source got their information? Congratulations if so as it would imply that you have been TOSSing off while deriving your data......

neilpete
WA, 184 posts
5 Mar 2013 10:22PM
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Mark _australia said...
Wow. 12% is hardly a flood. If you look at the wavesailors who left windsurfing to go kite say 5 - 10yrs ago, I reckon at least 12% of them have come back.


Conclusion; 88% death while kiting.

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
6 Mar 2013 1:43AM
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Underoath said...

I was informed that more people made the transition from windsurfing to kite surfing, than the actual number of people who took up the sport (2012).

It was something along the lines of 12% of windsurfers swapped to kite surfing.

Yes, a lot of people stop doing sports altogether.

Generally sad, but in this case, we score cheap 2nd-hand equipment out of this. Great !!

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
5 Mar 2013 10:56PM
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I didnt transfer i just started kitesurfing and i absolutley love it,

BUT im 120Kgs and im young and reasonably fit, so being of DOUBLE SIZE to most european wave sailer stature, its not just a matter of a bigger sail and bigger board, its more to do with stiffer sails and more efficient boards, it got to a point where it simply wasnt enjoyable in winds under 23 knots, well i could get slalom gear but find it too boring and extremely expensive, so i like freesyle and wave sailing...

so i took up kiting in winds up to 22 knots and its perfect for wakestyle, above 22 knots its definetly windsurfing, problem being is that most seabreezes here are 22-24 knots so its always a coin toss



still a windsurfer through and through

Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
5 Mar 2013 10:59PM
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Jase, seeing as though you are a very accomplished widsurfer - how long to learn to get planing on a say a 100L shortboard, get 100% of your gybes and come back again, back and forth, without falling off, for say 10mins?

Then how long to learn to do that kiting?


Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
6 Mar 2013 8:29AM
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Who informed you about this?

Was it the ABS as suggested above? When was the last time I was asked by someone taking the numbers whether I windsurf, kitesurf or sit on my arse watching TV when its windy? Never!

Stupid troll.


JBFletch
QLD, 1287 posts
6 Mar 2013 7:42AM
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Underoath said...

I was informed that more people made the transition from windsurfing to kite surfing, than the actual number of people who took up the sport (2012).

It was something along the lines of 12% of windsurfers swapped to kite surfing.




Unsure where you got the info or why you even bothered posting this but i'm one of a few guys in my area that have recently started wave-sailing again due to many factors that associate with kite sufing.

I think one of the main reason why lots of people cross over (to start with) is because windsurfing takes a lot of skill and commitment to get good at it. (took me 5 years of slogging to get to a waterstart, basic jumping level).

Kiteboarding is easy as, and for most windsurfers can be picked up in a summer.

If you go to any retailer that deals in both kite and windsurf i think you'll find that sales in windsurfing have grown slightly while kiting is down.





Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
6 Mar 2013 10:46AM
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Underoath said...

I was informed that...

It was something along the lines of...


nuf said!

Underoath
QLD, 2434 posts
7 Mar 2013 12:18PM
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Mark _australia said...
Jase, seeing as though you are a very accomplished widsurfer - how long to learn to get planing on a say a 100L shortboard, get 100% of your gybes and come back again, back and forth, without falling off, for say 10mins?

Then how long to learn to do that kiting?



Mark, I have never windsurfed. Never saw the appeal even growing up in Geraldton.
I was addicted to surfing- and in my later years got interested into kiting.
If I wanted to windsurf, I would have taken it up and would be pretty competent at this stage.

Secondly, why does every windsurfer always rant on about, "Oh windsurfing is harder!"??

Who cares what's harder to learn, Isn't that the drive and motivation of most people, to achieve something challenging? I get a massive thrill putting my body on the line boosting a mega loop or smashing out some slider work.

I don't think the real reason people are transitioning from W to K is because of the implied difficulty in learning, after all these are competent windsurfers that are leaving in significantly high numbers.

I believe there is an appeal in kiting that can't be matched by similar water sports. I guess for each person it's a different appeal.

It's a pretty magical feeling getting ripped along on a kite, playing in the waves, boosting loops, learning wakesyle, S bends, massive down winders, oh them down winders are such joy! Beers in the pub with mates up at Lanno after smashing out a 50km down winder....Yes I said 50km! Waves all the way!

I encourage you all to give it a go, you only have one shot at life, it seems you're mostly all competent in windsurfing, why don't you give kiting a go?

Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
7 Mar 2013 10:21AM
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Underoath said...
it seems you're mostly all competent in windsurfing, why don't you give kiting a go?




cos then it will be 13% and we can't have that

leftfield
WA, 200 posts
7 Mar 2013 10:46AM
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Underoath said...

I was informed that more people made the transition from windsurfing to kite surfing, than the actual number of people who took up the sport (2012).

It was something along the lines of 12% of windsurfers swapped to kite surfing.




I was informed by someone that Underoath probably prefers to wear pantyhose 8% of the time.

hamburglar
ACT, 2174 posts
7 Mar 2013 1:49PM
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Underoath said...
Mark _australia said...
Jase, seeing as though you are a very accomplished widsurfer - how long to learn to get planing on a say a 100L shortboard, get 100% of your gybes and come back again, back and forth, without falling off, for say 10mins?

Then how long to learn to do that kiting?



Mark, I have never windsurfed. Never saw the appeal even growing up in Geraldton.
I was addicted to surfing- and in my later years got interested into kiting.
If I wanted to windsurf, I would have taken it up and would be pretty competent at this stage.

Secondly, why does every windsurfer always rant on about, "Oh windsurfing is harder!"??

Who cares what's harder to learn, Isn't that the drive and motivation of most people, to achieve something challenging? I get a massive thrill putting my body on the line boosting a mega loop or smashing out some slider work.

I don't think the real reason people are transitioning from W to K is because of the implied difficulty in learning, after all these are competent windsurfers that are leaving in significantly high numbers.

I believe there is an appeal in kiting that can't be matched by similar water sports. I guess for each person it's a different appeal.

It's a pretty magical feeling getting ripped along on a kite, playing in the waves, boosting loops, learning wakesyle, S bends, massive down winders, oh them down winders are such joy! Beers in the pub with mates up at Lanno after smashing out a 50km down winder....Yes I said 50km! Waves all the way!

I encourage you all to give it a go, you only have one shot at life, it seems you're mostly all competent in windsurfing, why don't you give kiting a go?



Shhhhhhhhh kiting is gay, its too easy, everybody should windsurf, its in the Olympics

That way there's more room for me


aus301
QLD, 2039 posts
7 Mar 2013 1:16PM
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Honestly... WHO CARES???

Are you on the water having fun and enjoying a healthy pursuit in the outdoors? That is all that matters.

My sport is better than yours arguments remind me of pissing in the wind.

Reflex Films
WA, 1459 posts
7 Mar 2013 11:52AM
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Did both for a while

kitesurfing is a lot of fun. for sure. And definitely easier to learn.

I got a little bit over the fundamental dragginess of kites - and while the car boot space was far less - the beach footprint - especially on a busy day (along with the endless launching and catching of kites from crew who just couldnt do it themselves) got a bit old.

I reckon in small onshore waves in 18 knots and less kites and surfboards are an awesome way to get reos where you might be struggling with windsurfing gear.

Last time i kited was in Vietnam 3 years ago - busting some F16s on a 14 - then i came in and got on a 7.5 fast windsurfing freeride set up and had way more fun.

Eventually i quit kiting

- i worked in kite retail for a while and could see the writing on the wall with some of the yeahaars/ shennagins / self obsessed stupidity that a certain percentage of kiters seemed to have hard wired into their brains.

I also met some great people in my time in the sport too. But boy o boy did i meet some cowboys too!

I am a full time windsurfer again now and loving it. There arent as many windsurfers around as there were in the 90s - but is that such a bad thing - epic wave conditions with 3 or 4 guys out kinda suits me - especially compared to the perth surfing circus

I wouldnt rule out kiting in future - but then again it looks like kite crowds also have gone ballistic ...

pierrec45
NSW, 2005 posts
7 Mar 2013 10:20PM
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Underoath said...
If I wanted to windsurf, I would have taken it up and would be pretty competent at this stage.

Nice self-serving statement, but we'll never know: you seem to prefer easier things, as you said. You might just as likely have thrown in the towel as too difficult.
Underoath said...
Secondly, why does every windsurfer always rant on about, "Oh windsurfing is harder!"??

Who cares what's harder to learn, Isn't that the drive and motivation of most people, to achieve something challenging? I get a massive thrill putting my body on the line boosting a mega loop or smashing out some slider work.

But it's not an achievement if everyone does it on their 4th day of learning. My view: if everyeone does it, it's no big deal. Like, I don't get a big thrill just walking the dog: too many people do it. (it's easy)
Underoath said...
I don't think the real reason people are transitioning from W to K is because of the implied difficulty in learning, after all these are competent windsurfers that are leaving in significantly high numbers.

Doesn't matter what you think, you shoulda read the fora a bit more. It's been forumed many times that some get tired spending the money and not improving for it, or simply that the W-S gear "doesn't fit in a car".
Underoath said...
I encourage you all to give it a go, you only have one shot at life, it seems you're mostly all competent in windsurfing, why don't you give kiting a go?

Will do mate. One day I'll be too old or tired for sports. My shoulders hurt, and a bad back. In a few or many years, I'll give up sports altogether and take up some activity where I don't need to work up too hard, as you suggest. A friend is pushing towards macrame. Or just plain sailing - it's fun too.

jn1
SA, 2683 posts
8 Mar 2013 10:23AM
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Underoath said...
If I wanted to windsurf, I would have taken it up and would be pretty competent at this stage.

but you haven't though . My challenge to you is prove us wrong. Debunk the sport by demonstration instead of just talking about doing it. "Don't knock it until you've tried it". Regarding your opening statement, facts and figures please.

Macroscien
QLD, 6808 posts
8 Mar 2013 10:26AM
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Underoath said...

I was informed that more people made the transition from windsurfing to kite surfing, than the actual number of people who took up the sport (2012).

It was something along the lines of 12% of windsurfers swapped to kite surfing.




Do you know statistics how many Kiters switched to ice skating in Queensland recently ?

Dom
WA, 61 posts
8 Mar 2013 8:34AM
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Do mean figure skating?

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
8 Mar 2013 11:44AM
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What about the stats of the number of kiters who were bashed up by the police after the Sydney Mardi Gras?

Dom
WA, 61 posts
8 Mar 2013 9:06AM
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Talking of ice skating and kiting. Has any one tried it on the large frozen lakes in the northern hemisphere. I've seen footage of snowboarding and kiting but not ice skates.

PhilSWR
NSW, 1104 posts
8 Mar 2013 12:24PM
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You can tell there's no wind...

jsnfok
WA, 899 posts
8 Mar 2013 11:03PM
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PhilSWR said...
You can tell there's no wind...


yea gets a bit crazy on here with no wind

Underoath
QLD, 2434 posts
9 Mar 2013 2:16PM
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jsnfok said...
PhilSWR said...
You can tell there's no wind...


yea gets a bit crazy on here with no wind



The wind was decent on the river this morning. Any windsurfers make it out?

I did see 7 people learing to Kitesurf with different levels of success.

I thought to myself that it might have been you lot!

jn1
SA, 2683 posts
9 Mar 2013 4:19PM
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Underoath said...
I did see 7 people learing to Kitesurf with different levels of success.


7 different levels of face planting into the sand ?

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
9 Mar 2013 7:10PM
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jn1 said...
Underoath said...
I did see 7 people learing to Kitesurf with different levels of success.


7 different levels of face planting into the sand ?



It's successful if their feet leave the sand...BOOST!

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
9 Mar 2013 9:11PM
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Yawn
The facts are , at our local the windsurfers out numbered the kiters many moons ago.
Now all but one of the windsurfers now kite full time and often metion it is alot less restrictive and enjoyable than dancing. Even the local windsurfing instructor has shut shop and is now kiting.
The one poler left, he is a legend btw, said the other day that if he wasnt as old as he is and set in his ways, that he would give it a go.
I hope he dosent, some one has to fly the flag and it would be a shame to see windsurfing completely gone.


True story from our local.

needsalt
NSW, 385 posts
9 Mar 2013 9:24PM
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PLEASE do us all a favour and take all this talk of kiting back to the KITING FORUM.

PhilSWR
NSW, 1104 posts
9 Mar 2013 9:35PM
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Before buying a sailboard 15 months ago I very briefly had a look at kiting. Whilst it looked like fun, the deal breaker was the way they appear to be dragged around. It just seemed odd and wrong. I wanted to actually "sail", fly along in control, sail as many points of the compass as possible, and ultimately tear chunks out of waves on as close a thing to a surfboard as possible. Windsurfing is hard and technical- that is a huge draw card for me. I still suck at it, but thriving on the challenge.

Got nothing against kiting or kiters (know a few and they're top blokes), I just can't connect with the whole dragging thing. Oh, and clowns like Underoach are sinking the last strands of respect to the good guys kiting out there. Shut him down, it's pretty sad and embarrassing really...

mahi
QLD, 119 posts
9 Mar 2013 9:17PM
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I hope he dosent, some one has to fly the flag and it would be a shame to see windsurfing completely gone.
True story from our local.


Might be the other way around when you guys manage to get yourselves ban from all the good spots.
Today was a typical situation where kiter was jumping way too close to swimmers.
True story from our local.



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