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Some basic glassing techniques.

Created by NotWal NotWal  > 9 months ago, 26 Oct 2019
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NotWal
NotWal

QLD

7435 posts

26 Oct 2019 10:33pm
BSN101
BSN101

WA

2378 posts

26 Oct 2019 11:31pm
That was pretty good
Imax1
Imax1

QLD

4926 posts

27 Oct 2019 6:30am
^^^^
I never knew Quentin Tarantino is into glassing
Wollemi
Wollemi

NSW

350 posts

27 Oct 2019 12:56pm
That was good - thanks, NotWal.

While sea-kayaking around Tasmania's Macquarie Hbr for a week, I sailed at quite some speed into a submerged rock. Another kayaker gave me a tube of marine putty. Never opened, but was old; couldn't knead it properly - it crumbled and cracked rolling it in my hand; but it was a cold day?

- do I need to remove the lumpy product from the kevlar hull? Manufacturer suggests no need - www.whitworths.com.au/j-b-weld-waterweld-epoxy-putty-57g
- How do I work on the leading edge of my composite sea-kayak when it is V-shaped? Resin will run... Tape off area well? Work in several thin layers of resin/catalyst mix, and like the man in the video says, sand coarsely between each layer?

- My kayak; www.phseakayaks.com/kayaks.php?kayak=Cetus%20178%20MV
Mark _australia
Mark _australia

WA

23526 posts

27 Oct 2019 4:21pm
An auto body filler wont sag too bad as they're designed for vertical panels. Even better, 15min cure in this weather. So 2 or 3 applications to build it up isn't too bad. I'd use a 2 part filler to bog it, reshape and then glass over with just a layer to even it all out. Fill thinly with same again, and blend edges in, then sand
Imax1
Imax1

QLD

4926 posts

27 Oct 2019 6:32pm
Does good surfboard epoxy leave a soapy residue ?
Ive never washed and sanded between glass layers and never noticed a problem .
Should I wash and sand ?
I obviously sand between filler and top coats but never wash .
decrepit
decrepit

WA

12802 posts

27 Oct 2019 5:19pm
I've never washed between, coats. Sanding before a coat should be enough to get rid of any contaminants.

Even polyester filler/finishing resin that does have a wax coat on top, I've only ever sanded.
decrepit
decrepit

WA

12802 posts

27 Oct 2019 5:32pm
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Wollemi said..>>>- How do I work on the leading edge of my composite sea-kayak when it is V-shaped? Resin will run... Tape off area well? Work in several thin layers of resin/catalyst mix, and like the man in the video says, sand coarsely between each layer?

- My kayak; www.phseakayaks.com/kayaks.php?kayak=Cetus%20178%20MV


Mark's approach will work, but if it's actually a hole through the hull I'd tackle it differently.

I'd sand back an area a couple of centimetres around the hole, tape over the hole from the inside. Then wet a few layers of fibreglass on a piece of plastic, and apply to the hole. The glass will stop the resin running.

The j-b-weld stuff looks like a putty so shouldn't run, but I'd only use that if there's no hole all the way through the hull.
sun fisher
sun fisher

NSW

36 posts

27 Oct 2019 10:24pm
Epoxy curing creates an "amine blush" on the surface. It is best to wash it off with soap and water before applying more layers / paint. I have had success with sanding but people recommend washing before sanding for best results.

You can add fillers to your resin to make it thicker, but they don't add much strength. There is a wide variety depending on what you are doing. https://www.westsystem.com/the-105-system/fillers/
You can even use talcum powder.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia

WA

23526 posts

28 Oct 2019 5:06pm
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decrepit said..
Mark's approach will work, but if it's actually a hole through the hull I'd tackle it differently.

I'd sand back an area a couple of centimetres around the hole, tape over the hole from the inside. Then wet a few layers of fibreglass on a piece of plastic, and apply to the hole. The glass will stop the resin running.

The j-b-weld stuff looks like a putty so shouldn't run, but I'd only use that if there's no hole all the way through the hull.


Yeah - oops I thought he meant work on that vertical edge after fixing a hole. Didn't read it properly.....

Yes - decrepits method.


Sunfisher- water alone is best to remove amine blush. Its a water soluble whatsadicky that rises to the surface.
Then a sand.

Some fillers do add strength like milled fibre (fine glass fibres)
So you can make say resin, milled fibre and q-cell to have something very light but still stronger than just a normal filler. Loses the easy sanding that the filler is supposed to have though, so different stuff for different jobs.

olskool
olskool

QLD

2459 posts

28 Oct 2019 7:23pm
Amine blush is why West system epoxy advises to keep laying up just as first layer goes tacky. Chemical bond is a superior bond. Way less work. Way less cost. No sanding or buying sanding consumables n no washing or wasting time. In the real world this cant always be achieved though.
Gougeon Brothers (west system) do a great book on Epoxy use.
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