What small freerides are on the market these days? Most makers seem to offer only fsw in the 85 - 95 litre range now. Open water blasting is my thing. My local is too rough for slalom (uncomfortable) when the wind is up - and fsw is too mellow, turny and slow.

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for Freerace sails:
Severne fox 95?

or for freeride sails:
Patrik F cross / AV Chubby 2022 (both with 4 straps, and use a freerace fin like the the atomic master blaster i)

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Patrik f-cross 87 or 94. I have used 103 and is fast and agile in chop.

So is the small around freeride 85 litres a dead category? Or was it never a thing?

I don't think that size freeride board has been made for a while now. Which fsw did you try? The Dyno 85l with a single fin and double back footstraps is a great board for that type of sailing

I thought my suggestion the cheapest......

If I was getting back into going fast when it's windy+choppy, I'd probably get a Windtech 90l because Neil is the maddest of Aussie scientists at making fast boards for Aussie peoples.

So I have a collection of Exocet Crosses in 84, 94 and 104. Billed as FSW they are really freerides with dead-straight rockerlines aft and fitted with slalom fins they are superb for blasting in rough seas. Recently however the line has gone to tri-fin and 10cm has come off the lengths, so they are drifting from the original concept. Sooner or later I will need new boards. Yes the Fox 95 looks good, but my best sailing is on about 84 litres when the wind is up (I'm 83kg). I'm hoping to find another Cross 84 (carbon) secondhand (anybody have one???) to go in the rack for a rainy day, but I'm trying to find what else is on the market.

Ideally such a board would have the following qualities:
- seakindly hull shape with straight rocker aft
- moderate vee
- more outboard straps than fsw but not as aggressive as a slalom board
- supportive rail shape to help push off the fin
- single fin box
- 90.x litre should carry a 6.5 with ease. 80.x litre as 6 or 5.5
- plane early and keep planing in gybes
- gybe well
- 235-240cm in length
- moderate tail width

Rockets are a good board
www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing-Boards/~47ppl/Tabou-Rocket-237-cm-95-litres.aspx?_page=1&search=MsVd7Fn%2F%2FIqpuC7FKbN3fTa5cZ2JSVMR

Not mine

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FacPrime said..
Patrik f-cross 87 or 94. I have used 103 and is fast and agile in chop.

Patrik F-Race goes down to 100x60wide. A smaller one would be awesome. Feelin the need too

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FacPrime said..
Patrik f-cross 87 or 94. I have used 103 and is fast and agile in chop.

Patrik F-Race goes down to 100x60wide. A smaller one would be awesome. Feelin the need too

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Shifu said..
So I have a collection of Exocet Crosses in 84, 94 and 104. Billed as FSW they are really freerides with dead-straight rockerlines aft and fitted with slalom fins they are superb for blasting in rough seas. Recently however the line has gone to tri-fin and 10cm has come off the lengths, so they are drifting from the original concept. Sooner or later I will need new boards. Yes the Fox 95 looks good, but my best sailing is on about 84 litres when the wind is up (I'm 83kg). I'm hoping to find another Cross 84 (carbon) secondhand (anybody have one???) to go in the rack for a rainy day, but I'm trying to find what else is on the market.

Ideally such a board would have the following qualities:
- seakindly hull shape with straight rocker aft
- moderate vee
- more outboard straps than fsw but not as aggressive as a slalom board
- supportive rail shape to help push off the fin
- single fin box
- 90.x litre should carry a 6.5 with ease. 80.x litre as 6 or 5.5
- plane early and keep planing in gybes
- gybe well
- 235-240cm in length
- moderate tail width

Custom.

There are lots of older boards that are suitable. The Starboard Kombat from -07 was a great board for instance (made down to 79 litres) and I really liked the 87 litre one.

Then there is also the classic Mistral Flow, a great board but hard to find these days I guess.

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Shifu said..
What small freerides are on the market these days? Most makers seem to offer only fsw in the 85 - 95 litre range now. Open water blasting is my thing. My local is too rough for slalom (uncomfortable) when the wind is up - and fsw is too mellow, turny and slow.

I have the same "problem", my 62 slalom gets a bit too big on a overpowered 6.0, but my RRD 60/90 is slowish, although a fast fin, Tectonic Falcon, made quite a difference and the board is a dream to jibe with a Point-7 ACX. My "solution" is a smaller slalom board, I am finally getting an AV Modena 88/60 and will report how it works in open seas/chop/swell ... probably in a couple of weeks. It is finally in the process of being shipped after months and months of pandemic delays.

I considered getting a Flikka Slalom custom, but then I decided to trust Aurelio Verdi. Building world class slalom boards for years should count for something!

[Now ... I must admit, I do feel a bit depressed to buy a board while Ukraine is reduced to rubble ...]

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duzzi said..

Shifu said..
What small freerides are on the market these days? Most makers seem to offer only fsw in the 85 - 95 litre range now. Open water blasting is my thing. My local is too rough for slalom (uncomfortable) when the wind is up - and fsw is too mellow, turny and slow.

I have the same "problem", my 62 slalom gets a bit too big on a overpowered 6.0, but my RRD 60/90 is slowish, although a fast fin, Tectonic Falcon, made quite a difference and the board is a dream to jibe with a Point-7 ACX. My "solution" is a smaller slalom board, I am finally getting an AV Modena 88/60 and will report how it works in open seas/chop/swell ... probably in a couple of weeks. It is finally in the process of being shipped after months and months of pandemic delays.

I considered getting a Flikka Slalom custom, but then I decided to trust Aurelio Verdi. Building world class slalom boards for years should count for something!

[Now ... I must admit, I do feel a bit depressed to buy a board while Ukraine is reduced to rubble ...]

PS the RRD is the FSW model. Surprisingly capable with a freerace 6.0 sail (the ACX) but it can really only keep up with a dedicated slalom board on a broad reach, overpowered, with some swell and chop to slow down the slalom beast. Still, a fast FSW might be what to want, just noticed this one: bruchboards.com/freedom/

For this year (i think its new?) Jp have added a smaller Super ride 92 litres x 58 wide

jp-australia.com/p/windsurfing/boards/super-ride/

has anyone considered getting one?
id be curious how this goes vs a severne fox 95 or a fast freewave board like an exocet cross / Patrik f-cross

Or maybe it works well as a high wind slalom style board for us mere mortals.

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MHSA said..
For this year (i think its new?) Jp have added a smaller Super ride 92 litres x 58 wide

jp-australia.com/p/windsurfing/boards/super-ride/

has anyone considered getting one?
id be curious how this goes vs a severne fox 95 or a fast freewave board like an exocet cross / Patrik f-cross

Or maybe it works well as a high wind slalom style board for us mere mortals.

Looks like a good sized board.

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Shifu said..

MHSA said..
For this year (i think its new?) Jp have added a smaller Super ride 92 litres x 58 wide

jp-australia.com/p/windsurfing/boards/super-ride/

has anyone considered getting one?
id be curious how this goes vs a severne fox 95 or a fast freewave board like an exocet cross / Patrik f-cross

Or maybe it works well as a high wind slalom style board for us mere mortals.

Looks like a good sized board.

There's one for sale used in buy & sell:
www.seabreeze.com.au/Classifieds/Windsurfing-Boards/~4p44h/2021-JP-Australia-Super-Ride-Pro-232-cm-92-litres.aspx?_page=1&search=MsVd7Fn%2F%2FIoYnFxofLJ1sg%2BDI%2B8jvd2j

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Shifu said..
So I have a collection of Exocet Crosses in 84, 94 and 104. Billed as FSW they are really freerides with dead-straight rockerlines aft and fitted with slalom fins they are superb for blasting in rough seas. Recently however the line has gone to tri-fin and 10cm has come off the lengths, so they are drifting from the original concept. Sooner or later I will need new boards. Yes the Fox 95 looks good, but my best sailing is on about 84 litres when the wind is up (I'm 83kg). I'm hoping to find another Cross 84 (carbon) secondhand (anybody have one???) to go in the rack for a rainy day, but I'm trying to find what else is on the market.

Ideally such a board would have the following qualities:
- seakindly hull shape with straight rocker aft
- moderate vee
- more outboard straps than fsw but not as aggressive as a slalom board
- supportive rail shape to help push off the fin
- single fin box
- 90.x litre should carry a 6.5 with ease. 80.x litre as 6 or 5.5
- plane early and keep planing in gybes
- gybe well
- 235-240cm in length
- moderate tail width

If you're looking for the next size down from a 90-95L board then imo an 84-85L JP FSW would likely deliver what you want and you could utilise the same PB fins from you Cross 84. I'm still using a 2006 85L JP FSW that has had repairs around the deck box (before I got it for $300) as well as a nose job. It's such a versatile, quick and smooth riding board in moderate to rough seas. If it died I'd most likely just get a later model same size/volume. The pre 2010 JP FSW's from what I've heard appear to be more speed oriented than later years though in 20 knots+ I can't imagine that the newer JP FSW's would be much slower than previous incarnations.

I also have a Windtech Silver Bullet 57 which is an awesome board specifically designed for ocean slalom and blasting but the WT guys were winding the business up late last year so likely would only be available used (I got the second last new 57). Previous board to the WT57 was a Rocket 95 LTD which many people rave about for rough water sailing but I found the 85 JP FSW much smoother and just as quick over a choppy ocean, plus nicer to jump, easier on the knees and def more fun!!! Haven't tested the WT57 in rough water yet though it does feel more freeridey than slalom and appears to get up and go as good as my old Rocket 95 but with a much better top end and more lively feel.

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Mark _australia said..

Shifu said..
So I have a collection of Exocet Crosses in 84, 94 and 104. Billed as FSW they are really freerides with dead-straight rockerlines aft and fitted with slalom fins they are superb for blasting in rough seas. Recently however the line has gone to tri-fin and 10cm has come off the lengths, so they are drifting from the original concept. Sooner or later I will need new boards. Yes the Fox 95 looks good, but my best sailing is on about 84 litres when the wind is up (I'm 83kg). I'm hoping to find another Cross 84 (carbon) secondhand (anybody have one???) to go in the rack for a rainy day, but I'm trying to find what else is on the market.

Ideally such a board would have the following qualities:
- seakindly hull shape with straight rocker aft
- moderate vee
- more outboard straps than fsw but not as aggressive as a slalom board
- supportive rail shape to help push off the fin
- single fin box
- 90.x litre should carry a 6.5 with ease. 80.x litre as 6 or 5.5
- plane early and keep planing in gybes
- gybe well
- 235-240cm in length
- moderate tail width

Custom.

Yep, custom.....I,ll design you something and get Mark to buid it.

Martin, I was actually thinking your Masterblaster59 for him with a little volume taken out - I reckon it would fit the bill