SPIN OUT

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RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2897 posts
SA, 2897 posts
4 Nov 2013 8:53am
I believe there is a need to have a sticky topic here dedicated to answers for stopping spin out and recovery.

perhaps we can all add our thoughts and knowledge to a topic so that when someone new to the forum gets on and asks this eternal question, all the answers are right up there at the top.

after enough info is gathered the moderators can put it into a quick and easy to read point form.

so to start.

1. I believe the main culprit for causing spin out is sail tuning. A correctly tuned(enough down haul) sail has its draft well forward which in turn moves the thrust vector forward and thus sail power drives you forward. Not enough down haul and the draft is back and the force of the sail is more sideways. This sideways vector overloads the fin (stalls) and you have spin out. So first thing to check is "Do you have enough down haul?".

2.
KevinD002
KevinD002
226 posts
226 posts
4 Nov 2013 7:48am
From my own experience, I tend to spin out if my outhaul is too negative and a strong gust causes my sail to deform on the boom. I also use pretty small fins as I am trying to go for speed :D
John340
John340
QLD
3410 posts
QLD, 3410 posts
4 Nov 2013 1:03pm
Sail trim is very important, not just downhall but also outhall, but it's not the only factor. Side foot pressure on the fin is also very important.

I spin out when
- I'm trying to point, especially in light wind
- landing a jump, if I don't tuck in my tail to windward on landing
- trying to close the gap between the bottom of the sail and the water

These all put increased side pressure on the fin. However when my sail is properly tuned, I find I am less prone to spin out under the these conditions.

I employ the following strategies to avoid / reduce spin outs:
- use a good quality fin - the right size for the sail
- maintain the fin by removing any obvious dings with sandpaper
- tune the sail properly for the conditions
- look ahead when sailing and adjust for chop, lulls, etc
- sail with my back leg bent
DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
4 Nov 2013 2:13pm
First thing I usually do (because I'm already on the water) is move my harness lines back a touch, to decrease my backhand pull.
I'm no guru so take my advice with caution.
shear tip
shear tip
NSW
1125 posts
NSW, 1125 posts
4 Nov 2013 8:14pm
John340 said..
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- sail with my back leg bent


Definitely. A rigid back leg will be jarring on the fin. You can have plenty of pressure on the back leg (slalom), but it has to be a shock absorber.
PeterHazael
PeterHazael
QLD
50 posts
QLD, 50 posts
4 Nov 2013 7:30pm
Remove the fin and sail in shallow water or turn your board around and sail standing on the nose of your board .
paddymac
paddymac
WA
943 posts
WA, 943 posts
4 Nov 2013 9:59pm
Steve Stratfold suggests that some high performance slalom fins have quite a sharp leading edge and that slightly rounding that edge can make the fin more forgiving.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23647 posts
WA, 23647 posts
4 Nov 2013 10:10pm
and harness lines. If they are even just 20mm too far forward on wave / freestyle gear, you will use more back foot pressure to sheet in with your bodyweight, and spin out heaps more

I can use same sail on a FSW and a pure wave board, and will move harness line back a bit on the latter.

da vecta
da vecta
QLD
2515 posts
QLD, 2515 posts
5 Nov 2013 3:15pm
shear tip said..

John340 said..
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- sail with my back leg bent


Definitely. A rigid back leg will be jarring on the fin. You can have plenty of pressure on the back leg (slalom), but it has to be a shock absorber.


Yeah, but being too bent can make you spin out even more.
John340
John340
QLD
3410 posts
QLD, 3410 posts
5 Nov 2013 4:09pm
da vecta said..


shear tip said..


John340 said..
...
- sail with my back leg bent



Definitely. A rigid back leg will be jarring on the fin. You can have plenty of pressure on the back leg (slalom), but it has to be a shock absorber.



Yeah, but being too bent can make you spin out even more.


You can never be too bent! Lifes to short to be normal
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8333 posts
NSW, 8333 posts
6 Nov 2013 1:58pm
I find that when I get really powered up and reaching , bear offs on my 78ltre Tabou Pocket wave using an 18cm weedie I often slide out diagonally and do my PB's diagonally..
I eventually get it back together but it's really off putting..Not sure if it's the small fin or my technique..
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
9 Nov 2013 5:04am
I find that having a full time job, being married / kids is the biggest cause of SPIN OUT!!!



NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
9 Nov 2013 10:18am
Practical applications of freestyle #2: Weed on the fin causes spin out. Some people have the uncanny knack of popping their board off the weed while sliding.
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