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landyacht
landyacht
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1 Aug 2011 9:05pm
does anyone know of a windsurfer that sails with the sail number SIN 101 (I'm assuming thats singapore, or has anybody ever dumped a red sail with that sailnumber at Balcatta recycling?
Im building an extreme wind landyacht sail with the sail at the moment that will come out at 2.5m , and would be interested to know who owned the sail last
pierrec45
pierrec45
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2 Aug 2011 7:41am
One Kerem Kirkpinar.
DavMen
DavMen
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2 Aug 2011 9:05am
SIN101=0.981627183
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
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2 Aug 2011 12:25pm
I'll ask around. Maybe one of the old guys will know
Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
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2 Aug 2011 10:50am
He was a Perth local for a few years but moved to Darwin from memory.
Originally from Singapore or spent a bit of time up there.

Can't remember his name now
razzmatazz
razzmatazz
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2 Aug 2011 10:18pm
DavMen said...

SIN101=0.981627183


this is clever. took me a second but then my math brains kicked in
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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2 Aug 2011 8:26pm
finshed the sail tonight, but didnt have time to rig for a photo before dark.
something to look forward to whilst mowing lawns tommorrow
meanwhile heres the picasso that was donated to my research late last year
cut back from 5.5 to 2.8m. cracked a 70.6kph on its first resail that got to 90.00before the wind got to strong on sunday . i then rigged my daughters 2.2m beginners sailand crept up to 90.67 before I chickened out. an unvoluntary double 360 with a recovery speed of 75kph, and all 3 wheels staying on the ground throughout has a chickening effect
even I dont get away with that very often
silvec01
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WA
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2 Aug 2011 10:28pm
isnt it Kevin Netto????
Ian K
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WA
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3 Aug 2011 7:34am
landyacht said...

finshed the sail tonight, but didnt have time to rig for a photo before dark.
something to look forward to whilst mowing lawns tommorrow
meanwhile heres the picasso that was donated to my research late last year
cut back from 5.5 to 2.8m. cracked a 70.6kph on its first resail that got to 90.00before the wind got to strong on sunday . i then rigged my daughters 2.2m beginners sailand crept up to 90.67 before I chickened out. an unvoluntary double 360 with a recovery speed of 75kph, and all 3 wheels staying on the ground throughout has a chickening effect
even I dont get away with that very often



How much drag would an extra front wheel add? Reliant Robins are famously unstable with only one front wheel.


doggie
doggie
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3 Aug 2011 9:55am
Ian K said...

landyacht said...

finshed the sail tonight, but didnt have time to rig for a photo before dark.
something to look forward to whilst mowing lawns tommorrow
meanwhile heres the picasso that was donated to my research late last year
cut back from 5.5 to 2.8m. cracked a 70.6kph on its first resail that got to 90.00before the wind got to strong on sunday . i then rigged my daughters 2.2m beginners sailand crept up to 90.67 before I chickened out. an unvoluntary double 360 with a recovery speed of 75kph, and all 3 wheels staying on the ground throughout has a chickening effect
even I dont get away with that very often



How much drag would an extra front wheel add? Reliant Robins are famously unstable with only one front wheel.





Good question, I have thought the same thing
Paul Kelf
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3 Aug 2011 1:45pm
silvec01 said...

isnt it Kevin Netto????


Correct Chad
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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3 Aug 2011 7:41pm
Thank you kevin netto for your kind donation.
reliant robins have a motor sitting over the frontwheel,and people just behind. in my landyachts the centre of gravity is about 200mm in front of the back wheels, directly below the centre of effort of the sail.
when you guys move your rig forward or back , we bend our knees and slide forward /back. ( well , we should , but some one will reply shortly and tell you that you lean out,but thats a technique from the age of dinosaurs.).
you dont get much more stable than this configuration.
the mast is 3.5m overall,cut from an early carbon( probably 10%)WA made hypersonic RX sport wallymast.mast rescued from kerbside pickup in Greenmount sail area 2.52m, slight front suspension to assist tacking upwind, and long flexing rear axles for stability assistance. I do hope the 101 tag is an omen

Krisiz1
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WA
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3 Aug 2011 10:34pm


I have a serious question. I see when you modified the sail you have the boom in the position of a traditional sail/mast/boom configuration. Is there a speed advantage on a land yacht compared to the position it is on a windsurfer rig?


decrepit
decrepit
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3 Aug 2011 10:42pm
Well for a start the sailor/driver, can lay down so there's less drag from him/her/.

The mast will have a different bend as well, because it's only supported at the base. Don't know what effect that has.

Wineman
Wineman
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4 Aug 2011 11:40am
DavMen said...

SIN101=0.981627183


You've still got it Dave.

Bet your family HATE your Dad jokes. [}:)]
DavMen
DavMen
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4 Aug 2011 1:43pm
Wineman said...

DavMen said...

SIN101=0.981627183


You've still got it Dave.

Bet your family HATE your Dad jokes. [}:)]


Child: Dad Can I ask you a question?
Dad: You mean besides that one?

......Yep they HATE my Dad jokes!
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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4 Aug 2011 8:00pm
Krisiz1 said...



I have a serious question. I see when you modified the sail you have the boom in the position of a traditional sail/mast/boom configuration. Is there a speed advantage on a land yacht compared to the position it is on a windsurfer rig?



apart from being able to get underthe rig, and having your boom tucked in close to the sail, , the sheeting system allows you to start with a fuller sail which then flattens outas you sheet in. If you had a wishbone you would have to have some kind of system to all ow the mast to rotate.
landyachts are quite a fascinating mid point between yachts and windsurfers,a yacht with a windsurfers speed

felixdcat
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WA
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5 Aug 2011 10:25am
What is the wind span you intend to sail in? the sail looks so small!
Where are you sailing in WA?
slowboat
slowboat
WA
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5 Aug 2011 10:49am
Kev is in Melbourne now...
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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5 Aug 2011 10:53pm
felixdcat said...

What is the wind span you intend to sail in? the sail looks so small!
Where are you sailing in WA?

last weekend we camped out at Lake Lefroy( south of Kambalda ) and started sailng at 8.30amwind was +20knts, so we started withthe picasso cut down .
it had pulled a 77kph the day before in 18knts.
first run was an 80.1 then1/2hr later up to 85.4. then we swapped pilots , I got in and did an 87.6, then a 90.00, the wind was up to 25+ with gusts, i changed to an old tatty 2,2m sail that was flapping and banging , but managed a 90.67.
with a smooth clean sail i think another 5kph would have been possible in that wind, , we were packed up by 1.00pm as the wind was now35+ and the flappy sail was not safe to use, a flapping sail will transmit down to the front wheel making steering really difficult and usually causes you to spin out, rather than capsize.
today I finishe d off a 2.2m stuart bell cutdown, which should have real potential, and a 2.4m RAF that i will let somebody else use so they dont feel left out
I would love to get 100kph out of the way in this mini classand get on with cracking 110. my daughter cracked a 105.1 in exceptional circumstances, last year, so it is possible.
I managed 110 in all the other bigger yachts I have , so bringing the minis up to that potential has become a bit of an addiction for me
so yes the sails look and feel small right up to the point where your windward wheel starts to lift

Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
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6 Aug 2011 11:33pm
there was a race in Singapore today, and I saw a sail numbered 101...something tells me it wasn't the same guy though...the torch has been passed...
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
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7 Aug 2011 8:57pm
the torch is safe for another weekend, only had the 4.5m out today in 13kph wind for a 54.4kph
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
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8 Aug 2011 11:04am
landyacht said...

felixdcat said...

What is the wind span you intend to sail in? the sail looks so small!
Where are you sailing in WA?

last weekend we camped out at Lake Lefroy( south of Kambalda ) and started sailng at 8.30amwind was +20knts, so we started withthe picasso cut down .
it had pulled a 77kph the day before in 18knts.
first run was an 80.1 then1/2hr later up to 85.4. then we swapped pilots , I got in and did an 87.6, then a 90.00, the wind was up to 25+ with gusts, i changed to an old tatty 2,2m sail that was flapping and banging , but managed a 90.67.
with a smooth clean sail i think another 5kph would have been possible in that wind, , we were packed up by 1.00pm as the wind was now35+ and the flappy sail was not safe to use, a flapping sail will transmit down to the front wheel making steering really difficult and usually causes you to spin out, rather than capsize.
today I finishe d off a 2.2m stuart bell cutdown, which should have real potential, and a 2.4m RAF that i will let somebody else use so they dont feel left out
I would love to get 100kph out of the way in this mini classand get on with cracking 110. my daughter cracked a 105.1 in exceptional circumstances, last year, so it is possible.
I managed 110 in all the other bigger yachts I have , so bringing the minis up to that potential has become a bit of an addiction for me
so yes the sails look and feel small right up to the point where your windward wheel starts to lift




Woaw! sounds like scary but adrenalin pumping fun!
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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9 Aug 2011 6:52pm
actually you lay as still as possible and hold the sheet rope in tight , the only movement is you feet moving slightly to keep in a straight line.. its more like the luge or the skeleton bobsleds, just bracing your body and focusing on the little tweeks that make you go fast
I would rank it as one of the laziest "exteme" sports around.
When i see adverts on the internet advertizing Blokarts as Extreme sailing machines , it still makes me chuckle
here we are at 77kph , dont go to sleep now
Wineman
Wineman
NSW
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10 Aug 2011 12:02am

Great stuff Mr Landyacht! Looks like fun

Do you bear away from broad reach to get max speed?
If so, at what angle?

Windsurfers bear off at 120+ degrees for max speed - is it similar
Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
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10 Aug 2011 3:39pm


This is a contraption I built about 6 years ago, mainly from kids bikes found at the tip. I built it to get my kids into it, but they have all left home now. It seats 2, has a brake, and dis-assembles for storage.
I would recommend it to any windsurfer who is itching to go for a blast when there's bugger all wind.
(the photo makes it look as if it has forward mast rake but this is not so)

landyacht
landyacht
WA
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10 Aug 2011 6:18pm
Wineman said...


Great stuff Mr Landyacht! Looks like fun

Do you bear away from broad reach to get max speed?
If so, at what angle?

Windsurfers bear off at 120+ degrees for max speed - is it similar

about the same when trying to go fast. in that respect they are very similar to a windsurfer, but the same rig will readily sail very high upwind.
the day after that footage was taken it reallyblew its bits off and on the downwind runs the whole rig would gybe without notice so we must have been around 150degrees at times

landyacht
landyacht
WA
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21 Aug 2011 10:36pm
got some consistent results for SIN 101 today,
wind was 30kph gusting to35. sail cruised at 75 and peaked in the gust at a sniff over84.
having that big square top seemed to even the ride out so that even on 2 wheels the sail handled nicely mind you I did capsize on one wet patch, which is a first for the new yacht.
so a big thank you to all the windsurfers that drop off sails to the recycling depots and give us the opportunity to try these experiments
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