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RSX it's not over....

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Created by seanhogan > 9 months ago, 8 Nov 2012
12 Nov 2012 9:42AM
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GazMan said...
paddymac said...
Peterc150 said...
They should trial kitesurfing as a demo sport in Rio then decide how to progress, and leave Windsurfing as the established sport that it is.

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A real slap in the face for enthusiastic kiteboard racers around the world and for professional athletes like Dorian who had no choice but to switch sports. Shame on the ISAF and others involved in wasting their efforts and time, even if the decision is ultimately good for olympic windsurfing (would think that the decision will likely create more animosity between kitesurfers and windsurfers worldwide which in my opinion is not a good thing!)


If there is any animosity from kiters it would be directed towards ISAF and and IOC, not windsurfers. The way the original vote was held was wrong, and everything thats happened since behind the scenes is pretty smelly too, but thats just the politics of money.
RSX needs to be replaced with Formula IMO, there was a Formula event at Botany bay yesterday, heaps of real people competing and lost of spectators, not an RSX in sight. Wind was light boards were still moving fast and it was interesting to watch.

Coincidentally, a local guy was cruising up and down on a 12M Rebel and an Airush sector 60 board and then later some guys on real kite race gear turned up and were blasting around all over the bay, wind was sub 15/16 and holey all afternoon. Kite Racing will continue to grow, and its on again next Saturday same place the Formula was held at, Ramsgate Beach opposite Hollywood St. I hope one day soon we can have a mixed event, I think it would open a lot of windsurfers eyes to see how well the kite racers can point and sail a course.

beatlloydy
NSW, 133 posts
12 Nov 2012 9:57AM
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Kitepower Australia said...
GazMan said...
paddymac said...
Peterc150 said...
They should trial kitesurfing as a demo sport in Rio then decide how to progress, and leave Windsurfing as the established sport that it is.

+1



+2

A real slap in the face for enthusiastic kiteboard racers around the world and for professional athletes like Dorian who had no choice but to switch sports. Shame on the ISAF and others involved in wasting their efforts and time, even if the decision is ultimately good for olympic windsurfing (would think that the decision will likely create more animosity between kitesurfers and windsurfers worldwide which in my opinion is not a good thing!)


If there is any animosity from kiters it would be directed towards ISAF and and IOC, not windsurfers. The way the original vote was held was wrong, and everything thats happened since behind the scenes is pretty smelly too, but thats just the politics of money.
RSX needs to be replaced with Formula IMO, there was a Formula event at Botany bay yesterday, heaps of real people competing and lost of spectators, not an RSX in sight. Wind was light boards were still moving fast and it was interesting to watch.

Coincidentally, a local guy was cruising up and down on a 12M Rebel and an Airush sector 60 board and then later some guys on real kite race gear turned up and were blasting around all over the bay, wind was sub 15/16 and holey all afternoon. Kite Racing will continue to grow, and its on again next Saturday same place the Formula was held at, Ramsgate Beach opposite Hollywood St. I hope one day soon we can have a mixed event, I think it would open a lot of windsurfers eyes to see how well the kite racers can point and sail a course.



Hear Hear...one thing that bugs me a little about this forum is the animosity between all the sports...Perhaps a lot of it is in jest. However, from my point of view we should show solidarity not divisiveness.

I can understand animosity towards say jetskis but anything that is powered by nature is IMHO a good thing.

Kitesurfing and racing is just another newer extension of things that man has done for eons (harnessing the power of nature).

wdric
NSW, 1625 posts
12 Nov 2012 12:13PM
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AGK said...
As far as I remember from being part of 2 Olympic training squads for Athens and Beijing the same applied for all sailing teams. Just because you qualified the country doesn't mean you are automatically sent. Everyone starts a 4 yr campaign knowing this. It was pretty clear then and sure it is now. All classes are required to do this. YA needs results and medals to get $$$ from government. It is debatable as to if a strong class results should carry a lesser performing class. So it's not just as clean cut as get selected and you should go. Look at it like a business as that's the way the government does.

I'm not saying this is totally right. But I don't disagree with it either.


I would have thought that most of the budget for a team was spent in the leadup to an olympics, so the extra money needed to actual send them to the games after years of hard work and qualification would surly be minimal.

wdric
NSW, 1625 posts
12 Nov 2012 12:28PM
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beatlloydy said...

Hear Hear...one thing that bugs me a little about this forum is the animosity between all the sports...Perhaps a lot of it is in jest. However, from my point of view we should show solidarity not divisiveness.

I can understand animosity towards say jetskis but anything that is powered by nature is IMHO a good thing.

Kitesurfing and racing is just another newer extension of things that man has done for eons (harnessing the power of nature).


Using this same Logic though shouldn't all sailors show solidarity?
not just windsurfers and kiters, but all classes that use the wind!
At the end of the day there are so many spots available and the sport of sailing should be evolving with the real world and every now and then an older discipline no longer popular in the real world should go and a new one come in
unfortunately we have all just seen the ugly side of this process in action

HF
WA, 167 posts
12 Nov 2012 9:29AM
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Just out of curiosity, was another class removed to get windsurfing in back in the 80's or was windsurfing just an added class?

JBFletch
QLD, 1287 posts
12 Nov 2012 12:59PM
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Mark _australia said...
JBFletch said...
AGK said...
Good day for RSX not so for kite racing, lets hope YA and RSX Australia actually start to push juniors towards RSX or we may end up looking silly and not having reps at rio. Let hope we do for sports in Australia in general.


so true.

there is far more kids kiting and kite racing then you'd see at a RSX or any windsurf racing event.



What numbers are you looking at???!!!!


i was once, 1 of 3 under 15 year olds windsurfing in SA.
I believe there is a similar number still.

3 (give or take) every generation is pretty low.

why would a young kid, who can go wavesailing wanna jump on a big clunker like an RSX???

I once tried the beast in question, did one reach, gybed came back in and gave it back.

sorry but, if windsurfing wants to stay exciting, they need to make it formula or something more fresh.

cRAZY Canuk
NSW, 2528 posts
12 Nov 2012 6:24PM
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This is the farce that is ISAF - bunch of old fools.

I took offence to Windsurfing being turfed, and I'm going to take offence to kiting being turfed.

I've been on windpowered craft since I could crap in my own hand and I only wish I had the physical ability to fling it at them.

It's a simple list

1 Single hand - male/female
2 Double handed skiff - male/female
3 Multihull - Mixed Crew
4 Windsurfing - male/female
5 Kitesurfing - male/female course racing has only been mainstream for 4 years look at the entrylist for the last worlds in Europe
6 Keelboat - mixed - not really viable but it should be there,3m/1f but there isn't anything good enough cheep enough like a Melges 20, a viper, the new version of the J80 what ever they called it something fast and interesting.

And above all else - good coverage that makes people want to watch it. That is the main reason is getting the squeze by the IOC people dont' watch it, advertisers want something "main stream" so it doesn't make money and they'd rather show something that did.

Chris 249
NSW, 3531 posts
12 Nov 2012 8:45PM
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JBFletch said...
Mark _australia said...
JBFletch said...
AGK said...
Good day for RSX not so for kite racing, lets hope YA and RSX Australia actually start to push juniors towards RSX or we may end up looking silly and not having reps at rio. Let hope we do for sports in Australia in general.


so true.

there is far more kids kiting and kite racing then you'd see at a RSX or any windsurf racing event.



What numbers are you looking at???!!!!


i was once, 1 of 3 under 15 year olds windsurfing in SA.
I believe there is a similar number still.

3 (give or take) every generation is pretty low.

why would a young kid, who can go wavesailing wanna jump on a big clunker like an RSX???

I once tried the beast in question, did one reach, gybed came back in and gave it back.

sorry but, if windsurfing wants to stay exciting, they need to make it formula or something more fresh.


There's dozens of kids in SA (and hundreds in NSW) sailing dinghies that are slower, heavier and more "clunkerish" than an RSX. Whether a bit of gear is a clunker or not has nothing to do with how popular it is; cost, convenience and that sort of thing are much more important.

Chris 249
NSW, 3531 posts
12 Nov 2012 8:51PM
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cRAZY Canuk said...
This is the farce that is ISAF - bunch of old fools.

I took offence to Windsurfing being turfed, and I'm going to take offence to kiting being turfed.

I've been on windpowered craft since I could crap in my own hand and I only wish I had the physical ability to fling it at them.

It's a simple list

1 Single hand - male/female
2 Double handed skiff - male/female
3 Multihull - Mixed Crew
4 Windsurfing - male/female
5 Kitesurfing - male/female course racing has only been mainstream for 4 years look at the entrylist for the last worlds in Europe
6 Keelboat - mixed - not really viable but it should be there,3m/1f but there isn't anything good enough cheep enough like a Melges 20, a viper, the new version of the J80 what ever they called it something fast and interesting.

And above all else - good coverage that makes people want to watch it. That is the main reason is getting the squeze by the IOC people dont' watch it, advertisers want something "main stream" so it doesn't make money and they'd rather show something that did.


Kites, boards, cats and skiffs are vastly less popular than conventional dinghies and keelboats if you look at the numbers of people actually racing. And boards, cats and skiffs are actually LOSING market share of racers, compared to slower boats like dinghies and yachts.

If watching skiffs, cats and boards made people interested in sailing then why are they much less common in the real world?

And if you look at the official ratings figures from the IOC, you will see that "spectacular" sports don't rate well. White water kayaking, for example, rates worse than flat water kayaking. MTB bikes rate lower than road bikes.

So since many fewer people actually get into skiffs, cats or boards; since the yachts actually earned sailing's spot in the Games; and since people don't actually watch "spectacular" sports more than less spectacular ones, why would you throw out the boats that most people actually sail in favour of ones that few people care about to sail?

Chris 249
NSW, 3531 posts
12 Nov 2012 9:05PM
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wdric said...the sport of sailing should be evolving with the real world and every now and then an older discipline no longer popular in the real world should go and a new one come in
unfortunately we have all just seen the ugly side of this process in action


The "real world" is showing the way sailing is really evolving. What is "no longer popular" is high performance sailing, which includes boards.

Tonight - a weeknight - in Sydney there would have been about 650 sailors sailing keelboats. There's about 270 each Friday at my local club alone, and other days of the week see even bigger fleets of boat sailers. There is no kiting in this area and about 30 windsurfers.

Major yacht races overseas (UK Round the Island etc) attract about 11,000 sailors to a single race. How big are the biggest board events?

In the slow Laser dinghies, you have to qualify at your region to be allowed to go to a world champs - and yet across the various categories of the world champs, you get around 1500 sailors competing.

There is no board worlds that is anything like as popular.

The very, very slow Optimist dinghy for kids was introduced as a sponsored class in Australia about the time that kites came in. Despite competition from many other classes in the same age bracket (Sabots, Minnows, MJs, Bics, etc) over 170 kids did the nationals. How many did board nationals?

The facts and figures are out there if you do research - the slow boats are what people are actually sailing these days.

As board sailers, we can't ignore reality. We are a tiny part of the sport, and we are not attracting kids in anything like the numbers that the yachts and dinghies are. That is the truth, so let's accept it and fix it.


Stuthepirate
SA, 3591 posts
12 Nov 2012 8:38PM
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Chris 249 said...

If watching skiffs, cats and boards made people interested in sailing then why are they much less common in the real world?



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Chris 249
NSW, 3531 posts
12 Nov 2012 10:56PM
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Stuthepirate said...
Chris 249 said...

If watching skiffs, cats and boards made people interested in sailing then why are they much less common in the real world?



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Not really.

More people own offshore racing yachts than 12, 16 or 18 Foot Skiffs, but the yachts cost much more.

More people own racing yachts than racing cats, but the yachts cost much more.

More people race dinghies than boards, but the boats cost much more.

These people aren't stupid or ignorant - they are choosing boats in much larger numbers than boards, because the boats are giving them what they want. If we just listened to them, that could change - again.



Mark _australia
WA, 23526 posts
12 Nov 2012 8:01PM
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JBFletch said...
Mark _australia said...
JBFletch said...
AGK said...
Good day for RSX not so for kite racing, lets hope YA and RSX Australia actually start to push juniors towards RSX or we may end up looking silly and not having reps at rio. Let hope we do for sports in Australia in general.


so true.

there is far more kids kiting and kite racing then you'd see at a RSX or any windsurf racing event.



What numbers are you looking at???!!!!


i was once, 1 of 3 under 15 year olds windsurfing in SA.
I believe there is a similar number still.

3 (give or take) every generation is pretty low.

why would a young kid, who can go wavesailing wanna jump on a big clunker like an RSX???

I once tried the beast in question, did one reach, gybed came back in and gave it back.

sorry but, if windsurfing wants to stay exciting, they need to make it formula or something more fresh.


Dude, the youth class of Techno293 has the most participants of any youth sailing class except for Optimist, and it is sooo damn close that the Techno is probably just in front or equal.

RS:X attracted roughly 10x more people to it's world champs that kite racing did.

Now like I said in the thread over in the kite forum I don't think this has gone well and I don't gloat that "we won and they lost".
BUT if you wanna talk youth participation, windsurf racing has a lot more - like about 500% more - participation rate by youth, and adults and everyone. Fk-all ppl kite race.

The fact wavesailing is more exciting is irrelevent to this argument - cos kids who kite also wanna shred waves or freestyle more than they wanna race, same as windsurfing kids would rather be wavesailors than racers.

BTW "windsurfers should just make the Olympics a Formula class" is a dumb argument cos if you knew the history - it has been done!!! the whole idea of Formua was the PWA sailors invented it to be exciting and be the Olympic class. But the ISAF and IOC didn't like it and we scored RS:X.

FormulaNova
WA, 15090 posts
12 Nov 2012 8:39PM
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Mark _australia said...

BTW "windsurfers should just make the Olympics a Formula class" is a dumb argument cos if you knew the history - it has been done!!! the whole idea of Formua was the PWA sailors invented it to be exciting and be the Olympic class. But the ISAF and IOC didn't like it and we scored RS:X.



Sadly, I think it was the reality that the Olympics are often held in low-wind locations, so they had to make a class where there was some performance in non-planing mode. It makes sense really.

Stuthepirate
SA, 3591 posts
12 Nov 2012 11:24PM
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Chris 249 said...
Stuthepirate said...
Chris 249 said...

If watching skiffs, cats and boards made people interested in sailing then why are they much less common in the real world?



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Not really.

More people own offshore racing yachts than 12, 16 or 18 Foot Skiffs, but the yachts cost much more.

More people own racing yachts than racing cats, but the yachts cost much more.

More people race dinghies than boards, but the boats cost much more.

These people aren't stupid or ignorant - they are choosing boats in much larger numbers than boards, because the boats are giving them what they want. If we just listened to them, that could change - again.






agreed, but as an introductory class i can go down to any local sailing club in WA, buy a muddie and have my 6yo kid sailing under $200 instead of $400+ just for the sail and rig let alone a board to introduce kids into windsurfing.
By the time they're twelve they're involved in state and national titles and have formed great friendships and bonds within the sailing fraternity.
The problem is not adults buying boats and skiffs etc.. it's that there are not many clubs and programs that cater for kids.
Maybe it's different on the east coast?

Subsonic
WA, 3384 posts
12 Nov 2012 9:07PM
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Chris 249 said...
Stuthepirate said...
Chris 249 said...

If watching skiffs, cats and boards made people interested in sailing then why are they much less common in the real world?



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Not really.

More people own offshore racing yachts than 12, 16 or 18 Foot Skiffs, but the yachts cost much more.

More people own racing yachts than racing cats, but the yachts cost much more.

More people race dinghies than boards, but the boats cost much more.

These people aren't stupid or ignorant - they are choosing boats in much larger numbers than boards, because the boats are giving them what they want. If we just listened to them, that could change - again.






We're not really on the scene though are we?

Take a walk down at the local sailing club on the weekend, you'll see plenty of racing dinghies/yachts rigging up, more than likely though you wont see any windsurfers/RSX or kite boarding going on.

Down the road from me there's three sailing clubs, all on the same stretch of water I can tell you from experience, the larger amount of the members at the clubs wouldn't have a clue that there's 50 odd windsurfers and about the same number of kite surfers fanging around having an awesome time, just the other side of the point, a stones throw away (on a windy weekend).

The clubs draw the "crowds", not the classes on their individual merits. when joe public see some sailing on tv they take a wonder towards the yacht masts on the foreshore, and then take a look at what the clubs got that might suit what they want to do.

cammd
QLD, 4331 posts
12 Nov 2012 11:48PM
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Why dont more windsurfers get their kids into Techno. Its the perfect free pass to go sailing yourself and a great way to spend more time with your kids.

My son started windsurfing at Christmas sold his motorbike to buy a techno and entered his very first race the day it was annouced windsurfing was dumped from the Olympics. We raced together on saturday then went sailing in 30knts on Sunday on short boards. My smallest sail is a 4.7 np alpha and he pinched that and my 110 ltr slalom. In 10 months he has got to that level and both of us put it down to racing techno weekly. Kids learn fast and quickly get dragged up to the level of the other kids there sailing with. The youngest techno sailor in Qld is 11.

its a fantastic class 8000 kids cant be wrong so why dont more windsurfers in Australia get there kids into techno

paddymac
WA, 941 posts
12 Nov 2012 9:56PM
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Watching some of "Wind Legends: The history of windsurfing" reminded me of the early days of windsurfing being a family pastime. That was the peak, when mum, dad and the kids could all have a bit of fun. It seems that since that time the sport has continued to market itself as an "extreme" sport and paid a heavy price by doing so. I can't remember seeing a family shot in a magazine for years, it's always JP does Jaws, or Gollito doing a move that maybe five guys in the world can do.

Market to women, market to kids, market to families. Make it cheaper. Make the gear have a wider range. Don't change the gear every season. Good for the windsurfing as a whole and good for windsurfing competition. The Bic Techno class is a great example.

Look at Lasers. If I wanted to race that is the class I would pick. Simple, sail in any conditions, compete on equal terms with a huge fleet of talented sailors for a few grand. And you know they are going to stay the same for many years to come.

Yet most people seem TOTALLY FIXATED (look into my avatar, not around my avatar, into my avatar ) with proposing a class that is cooler, faster, more exciting than the last idea. It seems to me that this is what got us where we are today, a niche sport struggling to stay relevant.

iCarbon
QLD, 195 posts
13 Nov 2012 12:36AM
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It's not hard to see why "RS:X is not over"



MatStirl
TAS, 136 posts
13 Nov 2012 1:50AM
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Why all the RSX bagging?

So what if it's not quite as fast as formula, its a lot faster than the original windsurfer. It is one design, useable in non planing conditions, you can teach beginners and is a natural progression from the techno293. If we aussie windsurfers had any interest in promoting our sport we'd join our European friends and race the rsx to ensure windsurfing stays in the olympics.

That said whoever decided to call the event 'rsx' should be shot. What is 'rsx' to a person in the street? It's like calling tennis 'spaulding' or the 100m sprint 'nike'. It's called WINDSURFING!

Windsurfing has died because we all want the fastest gear and don't support class racing or encourage beginners enough. The Olympic movement want to keep their event current and appealing to the younger generations. Like bmx I'd suggest they want kiting and will include it soon. If it's at windsurfings expense we've only got ourself to blame.

Mat

PeterP
873 posts
13 Nov 2012 3:52AM
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I'm glad RSX is back in - now its time for windsurfers to support the class and show that it's worthy of being in the olympics - there was so much windsurf whining when it was kicked out, now its back in, so now its time to show the support and true colours - go get your RSX's...[}:)]

There were 220 registered kiters at the last Worlds in and 114 RSX's so pretty much outnumbered 2 to 1.....despite above claims of 10-1 in the opposite direction...

Between the lines it seems to me that windsurfers weren't particularly sad to lose the RSX olympics - but they were particularly sad to lose to kites....

Whats up with this inter-sport rivalry? It would be nice if they could both be in, but windsurfing should have a box rule, like the kites, and the brands and stars of the sport might take an interest as well...

Disclaimer - old windsurfer (loved it) turned kiter who is now SUP'ing.....

Brett Morris
NSW, 1204 posts
13 Nov 2012 10:35AM
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I don't believe there was or is any animosity between kites and windsurfers, until we were pitted against each other for an Olympic slot.

It was a kill or be killed situation that was always going to end in tears for someone.

Kites have a huge future and this decision could be the best thing that every happened to them?

Windsurfing has been given a huge wake up call. How we as a windsurfing community decide to react going forward is critical to the future of the sport.

Windsurfing in Yacht Clubs.....

Chris 249
NSW, 3531 posts
13 Nov 2012 11:35AM
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PeterP said...
I'm glad RSX is back in - now its time for windsurfers to support the class and show that it's worthy of being in the olympics - there was so much windsurf whining when it was kicked out, now its back in, so now its time to show the support and true colours - go get your RSX's...[}:)]

There were 220 registered kiters at the last Worlds in and 114 RSX's so pretty much outnumbered 2 to 1.....despite above claims of 10-1 in the opposite direction...

Between the lines it seems to me that windsurfers weren't particularly sad to lose the RSX olympics - but they were particularly sad to lose to kites....

Whats up with this inter-sport rivalry? It would be nice if they could both be in, but windsurfing should have a box rule, like the kites, and the brands and stars of the sport might take an interest as well...

Disclaimer - old windsurfer (loved it) turned kiter who is now SUP'ing.....


There were 42 women and 153 guys who raced at the Kite Racing worlds

108 men and 12 women at the Formula worlds, plus 60+ at the Formula Masters and Youth Worlds;

46 at the Formula Experience worlds;

59 at the Kona Worlds

70 at the Raceboard Worlds 2011 and I think similar numbers at the Raceboard Masters and Youth Worlds.

So ignoring the RSX and Techno (which both do well out of being Olympic) the windsurfers are still more popular, but not 10 to 1.

And if we want to look at other sailing world titles, ALL the boards look sick;

Finn Masters - 283 competitors 2011, and then there's the "real" worlds as well.

Laser worlds - about 1500 competitors across various divisions, and normally only open to those who have qualified at home through their local championships.

143 at the OK dinghy worlds.

260 sailors at the GP14 worlds

180 sailors (60 boats) at the Dragon worlds.

ORCi worlds - about 1100 sailors on 124 boats.

Add in the dozens of other boat classes with huge fleets and it seems that no board class has much to talk about, numbers wise. We're bloody lucky to be in the Games at all from some angles.

PS - about "windsurfing should have a box rule, like the kites, and the brands and stars of the sport might take an interest as well..."

The "stars of the sport" in many ways are those in RSXers - some were selected to carry the Olympic flame and national flags at the last Games. Some are significant sports stars in their home countries, like Israel or Hong Kong.

Oh, and box rules can give an enormous advantage to rich countries. The track bicycles (not the road bikes, which are more expensive) that the Brits used at the last Games cost about $23,000 each, IGNORING the development costs which were elsewhere in the 13 million pound per annum (IIRC) budget.

In 2000, the British Olympic team bought a ONE TONNE block of alloy and milled it down to make the mould for a mast for an 11' Europe dinghy. The exercise cost over $20,000 for ONE mast for a boat smaller and slower than a Laser.

That's the sort of thing that can happen in box rules in Olympic classes, where countries budget to spend millions per medal. Oh, and none of those bikes or masts are being passed to the general public.

Is that sort of budget really going to make Olympic boarding popular?

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
13 Nov 2012 11:47AM
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The thing is windsurfing for most windsurfers has never been about racing. Never has, never will. Same for kiters too, most of them never have, never will and will never want to race. Only a small minority will race.

While for dingies and sailing boats racing is usually a big thing.

So for the vast majority of windsurfers and kiters these numbers mean nothing and the Olympics along with all the other championships around are irrelevant. Most windsurfers have nothing to do with Yachting Australia. We want nothing to do with them. Its not why we windsurf.



hardie
WA, 4129 posts
13 Nov 2012 9:11AM
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Brett Morris said...
I don't believe there was or is any animosity between kites and windsurfers, until we were pitted against each other for an Olympic slot.

It was a kill or be killed situation that was always going to end in tears for someone.

Kites have a huge future and this decision could be the best thing that every happened to them?

Windsurfing has been given a huge wake up call. How we as a windsurfing community decide to react going forward is critical to the future of the sport.

Windsurfing in Yacht Clubs.....


The Mandurah Mob (MM)Team from the GPS Team Challenge (GTC) was invited to join the Mandurah Yacht Club (MYC), we have 30 members, and other than 1 member who was already a member of the MYC, no-one was interested. The membership fees were a barrier (from memory $500 annual membership), the formality was a barrier, the structured racing times was a barrier, the racing format was of no interest, and none of us had equipment that would have have suited the racing format, and no-one was interested in investing in RSX or that type of wsurf race equipment. So massive barriers to joining a Yatch Club.

Strapping on a GPS and going sailing whenever you wanted and downloading the data, which creates a statistical analysis, a historical log of results, and ranking of results is what has appeal, and what most windsurfers are interested in. The GTC has 520 registered members in Austalia alone. So in a way we are partly responsible for the demise of windsurfing racing in Yacht Clubs.

I personally like that status of windsurfing in the Olympics and support all the athletes who train for years to compete, just have no idea how you would create more interest, when formal racing in a Yatch Club has little appeal to the majority of windsurfers???? I Geuss its something Yacht Clubs have to conjure up if thats what they desire??

So Yatchies, take note, this is a litlle bit of information about what windsurfers actually do, and why Yatch Clubs, have little appeal. Can you make it attractive for us???

Chris 249
NSW, 3531 posts
13 Nov 2012 2:26PM
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But Hardie, the "yachties" don't HAVE to make it attractive to us, do they? They are the one with the numbers. They are the ones with the spot in the Games. They are the ones with the big youth programmes. They are the ones who WE have to attract if we want boards in the Games. They are the ones who WE have to attract if we want more kids on boards.

There are many sports that want to get into the Games, including ones like rugby and softball that are miles more popular than windsurfing or kiting. The only way boards can get into the Games is under the umbrella of sailing.

We've found that if we can get a couple of keen people into a club with gear, we can get a dozen or so kids into the sport pretty quickly. The problem is that as in any sport, kids move on to other things (study, boat sailing, parties, etc) and to keep critical mass, you have to get volunteers to get more kids coming in. People in other sports do it but windsurfers tend to think that volunteering is too much hassle. Being a part of sailing clubs can make the logistics much easier because they have things like clubhouses and rescue boats. Sure, clubs don't fit the style of sailing that most current sailors like, but the sport is currently only appealing to a small minority.

If we want to keep the sport alive, we may have to get used to putting more back in and opening up our conception of the sport. It's like any sport, if people want to keep it alive they may have to turn up to and organise events. It could be as simple as publicising the GPS Teams Challenge and creating a simple club so that windsurfers who do GPS speedsailing can be recognised by Yachting Australia.

Moby, the point about the numbers is not just that there are many more boat racers, it is that we - whether racing or not - are a very small part of the sport of sailing in general and we have to realise that. We just look silly when we abuse ISAF for being unrepresentative or ignoring growing areas of the sport (as many have) when the reality is that boards are NOT a very big part of the sport.

We could also look at the numbers and realise that we have a lot to learn from the boat sailors (and I am one of them as well as a windsurfer) when it comes to attracting big numbers. At the moment many board types just diss the boat sailors rather than trying to learn from them.

To be honest, I'm far from sure that the proportion of yachties who race is necessarily larger than the proportion of windsurfers who currently race. The bay where I keep my boat is probably typical, in that about 1/10 of the yachts moored there are ever used for racing.



hardie
WA, 4129 posts
13 Nov 2012 12:13PM
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Chris 249 said...
But Hardie, ...............






Yes you make excellent points Chris, I geuss our behaviour strongly suggests we dont really care about the Olympics................ but then go and get annoyed when we are dropped from it How Embarrassment!!! Caught out for the shallow self-interested fools we are

jmetcher
QLD, 144 posts
13 Nov 2012 8:25PM
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MatStirl said...
Why all the RSX bagging?

So what if it's not quite as fast as formula, its a lot faster than the original windsurfer. It is one design, useable in non planing conditions, you can teach beginners and is a natural progression from the techno293. If we aussie windsurfers had any interest in promoting our sport we'd join our European friends and race the rsx to ensure windsurfing stays in the olympics.



Having raced alongside the local RSX fleet for the last couple of months, I have to say that board and rig are pretty amazing if you consider the whole wind range. A lot of classes say they'll sail from 0-30 knots, but the reality is you need lots of expensive rigs (formula, skiffs), you'll take hours to get around a course in less than 5 knots (formula), you've gotta be King Kong to sail the thing at all in 25 knots (formula, skiffs, high perf. cats) yada yada yada. But the RSX sailors make that one board and one rig work across the whole wind range - and these are club level sailors, not the gods of the sport. For anyone who wants to actually sail every weekend, without obsessing about the wind and obsessing about gear, it's pretty hard to go past the RSX. Not saying it can't be improved or is necessarily better than the IMCO, but it *is* pretty impressive.







MatStirl
TAS, 136 posts
14 Nov 2012 12:19AM
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After years of slalom and wave I now sail a mistral prodigy more than my freestyle board.

Have taught friends to sail on it, take the kids on it, race it against that arms race formula stuff, explore the qld islands, use as a paddle board and tow it behind our trailer yacht as a tender.

In a very saturated sporting market and with a top end that is completely alien to the average windsurfer our sport is losing relevance.

Getting new people into the sport via the rsx/techno at yacht clubs is probably one of the only ways prevent our sport slipping further into obscurity. That said sailing clubs are having their own problems attracting juniors.

Years back I hoped the Olympic rsx would help our sport and be embraced by the formula bunch. Sadly that hasn't occured and windsurfing is now foreign to younger generations. I think it's too late and it will remain very much a fringe activity.



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