No loop, no good, hooked in, no pass even ####ier




sail bags to the rescue.


The unhooked handlepass loop, a history,
The unhooked handlepass loop was first performed by Otto Lilienthal a pioneer of human aviation who became known as the Glider King. During a flight on 9 August 1896 seconds before the first unhooked handlepass loop, Lilienthal's kite stalled and he fell from a height of 17 m (56 ft), breaking his spine. He died in Berlin the following day.
Whilst few tried to emulate him in this Cleveland era, against a background of Tchaikovsky and Vivaldi, and a fashion of full beards or mutton chops, the seed was sewn.
Fast forward to the early 21st century, a new breed of radical riders, Haslow, Lenton, Bose, Naish, Yates to name a few were pushing the envelope, drawing perfect circles in the sky with their modern equipment, to the amazement of all who witnessed.
Their bravery, courage and seeming disregard for personal wellbeing pushed the sport to further heights, literally. How could they do such a thing? the polies with knees destroyed from jumps far less audacious cried, and cried, and cried.
So arrogant were these riders, to unhook from such a powerful aerofoil, then, in an almost rude gesture, turn their back to the very power source that could hurt them so much.
But they did, and did.
Big jumps and loops lost favour in the latter part of the decade, as powered tricks became more the vogue.
Meanwhile, the polies still did the same old stuff.

Footnote: There is talk among historians of an earlier unhooked handlepass loop attempt in China around 1500bc by a peasant called Sum Karnt, however historical records are incomplete, and scholars generally accept Lilienthal as the first to survive, albeit briefly, attempting the move.

Here's a shot of Otto Lilienthal on that fateful day, seconds before the first unhooked handlepass loop, and a few hours before his death.





(For those of you out of the loop, this may help
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Kiters-carnt-do-full-round-house-cut-backs/ )

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Joe Cron said...


(For those of you out of the loop, this may help
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Kiters-carnt-do-full-round-house-cut-backs/ )

I didn't read one sentence of that you twat, but if you're gonna fill us in on any stories, why don't you go to the start.. It was kiters who first came onto a windsurf forum ragging about roundhouse cutties.. Looks like the thread in your link is a retaliation thread, and now you have made a retaliation thread about a retaliation thread.. Nice work.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Wave-sailing/The-trip-North-delivers/?page=1

Damn straight Polies can't do unhooked Loop handle passes

There's no handle

here's one for ya

Do a loop where the kiter goes over the kite not just looping the kite

myself i still stain myself just jumping

Or just sail backwinded.

Betcha can't

He must have been kicked out of the kite forum

can too.

yes, my position is better thought out than yours.

Elmos on it.
Aint no such thing as a loop on a kite

To loop implies end over end rotation.

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barn said...

Joe Cron said...


(For those of you out of the loop, this may help
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Kiters-carnt-do-full-round-house-cut-backs/ )

I didn't read one sentence of that you twat, but if you're gonna fill us in on any stories, why don't you go to the start.. It was kiters who first came onto a windsurf forum ragging about roundhouse cutties.. Looks like the thread in your link is a retaliation thread, and now you have made a retaliation thread about a retaliation thread.. Nice work.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Wave-sailing/The-trip-North-delivers/?page=1

hahaha spot on Barn.

Their regular trolls come here and dish it out but everyone has a cry when a windsurfer does it in their forum.

How come your constantly over in the kiters section grovelling for sympathy Mark?

Or just spreading the love between one wind sport to an other

I've posted in 6 threads there in the last 12months. Often for something that is linked from the WS forum.

Compares pretty favourably with the kitetrolls who are in WS forum daily, wouldn't you say?

Quote"Their bravery, courage and seeming disregard for personal wellbeing pushed the sport to further heights, literally. How could they do such a thing? the polies with knees destroyed from jumps far less audacious cried, and cried, and cried.
So arrogant were these riders, to unhook from such a powerful aerofoil, then, in an almost rude gesture, turn their back to the very power source that could hurt them so much.
But they did, and did."


Please Sir amuse us further with these stories of bravewy couwage and seeming diswegard for perswonal wellbeing....

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Mark _australia said...

I've posted in 6 threads there in the last 12months. Often for something that is linked from the WS forum.

Compares pretty favourably with the kitetrolls who are in WS forum daily, wouldn't you say?

That because there are never any topics about windsufering over there.
While over here , every second post is about kiteing.
No need to cry about it,
We can start more threads about poledancing over there if it upsets you.
Then you can post more than you have been. You must want to, you always read them and do some trolling

they can't cause they have to be attached to a pole the whole time you see... didn't you know already

Naaaaa,that guy is way too young to poledance.
He has too much hair and isnt overweight.

This looks more like the average windsufer.
Found this pic in their photo section,,,go figure.

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barn said...

Joe Cron said...


(For those of you out of the loop, this may help
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/General/Kiters-carnt-do-full-round-house-cut-backs/ )

I didn't read one sentence of that you twat, but if you're gonna fill us in on any stories, why don't you go to the start.. It was kiters who first came onto a windsurf forum ragging about roundhouse cutties.. Looks like the thread in your link is a retaliation thread, and now you have made a retaliation thread about a retaliation thread.. Nice work.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Wave-sailing/The-trip-North-delivers/?page=1

Got it, see where it all started, reasonably innocuous comment from waveslave that hit an exposed sensitivity. Was just meant as a bit of fun. Perhaps you could try playing the ball and not the man.

It's like the deadest RSL I ever walked into over here, couple of grumpy old farts, musty smell and not much else.

^^^^you get use to the old man smell after awhile.

Most here have a laugh and dont take it too heart. Some have a sharp wit for their age
Its only a couple of old die hards that get upset and think forum life is more important than living life.

^
Don't think I'll hang around long enough to acclimatise.

Another RSL metaphor, the beer may be cheap and there's never a crowd, but that's still not enough to compensate for the drabness.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Gps/Luderitz-Speed-Strip-2011/

no handle pass here either - must be a good vid cause i found in the icepole section of seabreeze. hey the guy has a kite - how'd he get there

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Joe Cron said...


Got it, see where it all started, reasonably innocuous comment from waveslave that hit an exposed sensitivity. Was just meant as a bit of fun. Perhaps you could try playing the ball and not the man.

It's like the deadest RSL I ever walked into over here, couple of grumpy old farts, musty smell and not much else.

That's an oxymoron, GaySlave pokes his head into the deepest, darkest corner of a windsurfing forum fishing for a reaction..

But welcome anyway, it may feel like an RSL, and there is a reason we seem grumpy (though I'm not old).. This is not the first time we have dealt with a Kitesurfer entering the Windsurf Matrix, and we have become extremely efficient at it. You are NEO, the Kitesurfer.. I feel this video will explain everything, Neo..

wow barn pull the carrot out of your arse , or should i say pole . KOTP can make an entertaining thread but you guys just don't have any sense of humour . Go cry some more retard .

Polies carnt do unhookd loop handle passes

By the definition of 'loop' that kiters use, every windsurfer can do an unhooked loop handle pass.

Don't even need to be in the water.

Just spin your sail around, pass the boom from hand to another. The tip of your mast did a 'loop' in the same way as kiters do 'loops' and you passed the handle without being hooked in.

As many others have said one day a kiter will rotate with the centre of rotation between the rider and kite and the equipment will loop about the rider, and the rider about the kite. When they get good at it they will get the kite to fly backwards.

If it never happens the loops in kiting will never be loops, just stunts and tricks with a kite. Any little kid can do kite loops with a flexifoil kite on the beach, no big deal.

Go watch any paraglider doing loops. In fact I think a film was posted over on the kite forum not long ago. That is what you kiters need to do to do a loop.

One day somebody will do it, and it will be the most impressive thing a kiter has done. Short lines means very fast rotation, but check out the forward rotation speeds some windsurfers are getting (Koster, Boujima etc.). I bet the G force in a kite loop wouldn't be much bigger, and definitely no bigger than a spiral dive in a paraglider.

By th time it happens I suspect windsurfers will be doing triple loops, so kiters will still have a bit of catch up to do.

By the time it happends,
I dont think there will be any windsurfers left to see it.

^^^^Yeah, your right.
Windsurfing has been around for what,,40 years?
Kites have been around for about 12 years and have already smashed the speed record. And kiteing is still in the early stages of development, whilst windsufering has no where left to go.

I suspect somebody is about to post a video of a somebody getting very very close.

Can you (in any of your multiple logins) post a video of a kiter doing a loop as opposed to a kite doing a spinning thing, which as you pointed out in your original stiring, has been happening since ancient chinese times.

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lotofwind said...

^^^^Yeah, your right.
Windsurfing has been around for what,,40 years?
Kites have been around or about 12 years and hve already smashed the speed record. And kiteing is still in the early stages of development, whilst windsufering has no where left to go.

You know I first towed behind a kite on a wake board in about 1989. Definitely prior to 1991.

We used to stack flexifoils and tow in the shallows along the beach, pretty much straight downwind. Somebody would follow in a car and we would wake board back upwind behind the car.

Granted not much similarity to kiting today, but then 40 years ago windsurfing wasn't very similar today either.

We only used to do it when it wasn't any good to go windsurfing, or when mates who couldn't windsurf or surf wanted to come to the beach and do something easy they could pick up in an afternoon.

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Trollington said...

Carantoc said...

By th time it happens I suspect windsurfers will be doing triple loops, so kiters will still have a bit of catch up to do.

speed away from them ever more quickly.

Apart from in open ocean racing

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Trollington said...

Carantoc said...

By th time it happens I suspect windsurfers will be doing triple loops, so kiters will still have a bit of catch up to do.

Windsurfers will never do triple loops.

Far from catching up, kiters have, in a short time, totally surpassed windsurfing and now speed away from them ever more quickly.

todd troliington. hahahaha rotfpmsl

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dusta said...

wow barn pull the carrot out of your arse , or should i say pole . KOTP can make an entertaining thread but you guys just don't have any sense of humour . Go cry some more retard .

It's not my job to make entertaining threads for kiter noobs who decide to float over here in the hope of talking smak..

And it's nice to see kiters using troll faces and ****ty internet acronyms ( rotfpmsl, seriously??)... Wonder what dumb ass internet memes you'll dig up next..

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barn said...

dusta said...

wow barn pull the carrot out of your arse , or should i say pole . KOTP can make an entertaining thread but you guys just don't have any sense of humour . Go cry some more retard .

It's not my job to make entertaining threads for kiter noobs who decide to float over here in the hope of talking smak..

And it's nice to see kiters using troll faces and ****ty internet acronyms ( rotfpmsl, seriously??)... Wonder what dumb ass internet memes you'll dig up next..

i didn't come over here to troll , i have no intention of trolling but you still need to pull the pole out of your arse and lighten up .

Its lights out at the old age home in 10 minutes,
So it gets pretty quiet in here soon.